Pet Health Coach

Coming from the certification program of Dr. Ruth Roberts, famous for her Crockpot Diet for dogs, fellow pet health coach, Jessica Fisher, explains the connections between what you’re feeding your dog and how anxious or trainable they are. We talk processed foods vs fresh, the rotational diet and when that can be very helpful and lots of others important information for pet parents they can use right now. 

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BIO:

Jessica L. Fisher, Pet Parent Coach, R+ Dog Trainer, Host of The Pet Parenting Reset As a positive reinforcement dog trainer, she works with the whole dog, addressing nutrition, enrichment, and environment, as well as behavior to help pets and their parents thrive. Jessica has authored a book to help pet parents find perspective in training their dogs called "7 Miracle Steps To Get Your Dog To Obey Even If They've Failed Before: All Intelligence Levels And Breeds" which you can find on Amazon or get a signed copy from her by clicking here. As a podcast host, bringing you thoughtful and educational information to better help you raise happy and healthy pets is her passion. Jessica has helped hundreds of dogs and dog owners, and some cats too, achieve better health through nutrition, and better behavior through positive reinforcement and cooperation between humans and animals.

Transcript:

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Announcer: Let's talk pets.

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Jody Teiche: Can a certain way of eating help heal the gut of dogs suffering with IBD or other conditions?

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Jody Teiche: In today's podcast, I'm talking to fellow Pet Health Coach Jessica Fisher, also of the Pet Parenting Reset Podcast, who's going to share with us what she's seen about certain ways of feeding that have gotten results in winding back conditions in dogs.

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Jody Teiche: I'm Jody Lynn Teiche, and you're listening to The Pet Health Coach on Pet Life Radio.

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Jody Teiche: We're going to take a short break from our sponsors, but when we return, we'll meet Jessica.

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Jody Teiche: We're going to learn more about what a Pet Health Coach does because Jessica and I are early to the Pet Health Coaching game, and we are going to talk about these options for feeding that she's had success using.

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Jody Teiche: Welcome back, you're listening to The Pet Health Coach on Pet Life Radio.

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Jody Teiche: I'm Jody L.

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Jody Teiche: Teiche.

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Jody Teiche: Is there a diet, a way of feeding that could create conditions in the body or improve or cure illness or conditions in the body?

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Jody Teiche: Today, Pet Health Coach Jessica Fisher is going to share with us about rotational and elimination diets, their power and stories about her successes.

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Jody Teiche: Welcome, Jessica.

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Jessica Fisher: Thank you so much, Jody.

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Jessica Fisher: I'm so happy to be here.

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Jody Teiche: I'm really excited you're here too, because we haven't really talked about these kinds of diets on The Pet Health Coach.

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Jody Teiche: So I'm excited to be sharing that with my audience.

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Jody Teiche: But before we dive into those specifics, tell my audience how you got involved in this, your story.

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Jessica Fisher: It's kind of a long one, but yeah.

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Jody Teiche: Go for it.

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Jessica Fisher: Really, if I think back, I started out working with animals in my mid-20s.

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Jessica Fisher: I was doing TNR, which if your audience isn't familiar, it's Trap, New to Return with feral cat colonies.

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Jessica Fisher: And I did that for a while.

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Jessica Fisher: It's hard work.

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Jessica Fisher: I'm not going to lie.

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Jessica Fisher: There were definitely times where I was like, I don't know if I can work with animals.

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Jessica Fisher: But it kind of evolved over the years.

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Jessica Fisher: I met the man who's not my husband and wasn't able to do that as much.

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Jessica Fisher: I started a YouTube channel about just caring for pets.

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Jessica Fisher: And it was really random stuff, like how to bathe your pet and clip their nails, random things.

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Jessica Fisher: And one day I was also highlighting some work I was doing with just collecting donations and helping with a rescue in my area.

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Jessica Fisher: And some lady, I wish I could find this comment on a YouTube video because it literally changed my life and she has no idea.

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Jessica Fisher: But it was just some lady who was like, it was a really sarcastic comment.

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Jessica Fisher: It sure would be nice if you could just keep animals out of the shelters and that way you wouldn't have to work so hard.

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Jessica Fisher: And that made me think.

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Jody Teiche: Some people, they just don't understand.

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Jody Teiche: They don't understand the enormity.

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Jessica Fisher: So that triggered something in me that I was like, this person, this stranger I've never met is absolutely right.

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Jessica Fisher: What can I do?

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Jessica Fisher: And I decided to learn how to be a dog trainer because I figured if I could help people with their dog's behavior problems, they wouldn't be relinquished to shelters and rescues in the first place.

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Jessica Fisher: So that was, you know, pretty simplistic thinking at the time, but it is what it is.

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Jessica Fisher: And so I started learning positive reinforcement dog training.

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Jessica Fisher: I was implementing it with people.

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Jessica Fisher: I literally worked for free as a dog trainer for about two years because I was trying to figure it out.

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Jessica Fisher: I was trying to make sure it all worked.

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Jessica Fisher: People were getting results and it just kind of spiraled because during this whole process, first of all, I'm one of those people that learned that I work better with animals than people.

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Jessica Fisher: There's a lot of us.

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Jessica Fisher: Yes.

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Jessica Fisher: But the reality is we have to work with people to work with animals.

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Jessica Fisher: That's just something I've had to come to the realization of.

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Jessica Fisher: But at the time, I was like, I don't know if I can do this.

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Jessica Fisher: And I really started digging in.

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Jessica Fisher: I had been really heavy interested in dog nutrition because I saw what it had done with one of my animals.

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Jessica Fisher: And I just decided to incorporate nutrition in what I was doing with my training clients.

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Jessica Fisher: And I saw insane results with behaviors.

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Jody Teiche: I totally want to dive into that.

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Jody Teiche: So yes, talk about that anxiety reactivity and diet and health thing.

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Jody Teiche: Yes.

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Jessica Fisher: And this was before I had dug into any of the research.

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Jessica Fisher: And of course, you know, Dr.

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Jessica Fisher: Connor Brady talks about it all the time.

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Jessica Fisher: But this was before I had heard of any of this, and I'm just seeing it in person going, there is something to this.

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Jessica Fisher: And more and more and more, I've just leaned heavier and heavier on the nutrition aspect, especially in social media content and things like that.

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Jessica Fisher: And so when the opportunity came up to train under Dr.

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Jessica Fisher: Ruth Roberts, I jumped at it.

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Jessica Fisher: I also have my canine nutrition certification.

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Jessica Fisher: So that's wonderful.

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Jessica Fisher: It's just being able to help people, like long story short, I help animals.

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Jody Teiche: Yeah.

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Jody Teiche: And we love that.

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Jody Teiche: And we need more people like you out there because pet parents want it.

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Jody Teiche: I'm sure you're seeing this, you know.

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Jody Teiche: Pet parents like us are realizing that what our vets are able to give us is only part of the story.

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Jody Teiche: Vets are necessary.

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Jody Teiche: To me, Western medicine, there's nothing better for ER, diagnostics, surgery.

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Jody Teiche: But when it comes to preventative, when it comes to cure, that's not how they're trained.

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Jody Teiche: And so there's a piece missing, there's a whole, right?

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Jody Teiche: And people who are learning about good nutrition, who are learning about the connection between anxiety, reactivity, and diet, and who are learning about complementary methods of healing are filling that hole.

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Jody Teiche: So it's wonderful that you're doing that.

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Jody Teiche: And studying with Ruth is fantastic.

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Jody Teiche: You're a certified pet health coach now.

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Jody Teiche: Why don't you explain from your perspective what a pet health coach is, does, and you said you focus a lot on nutrition, but maybe expand on that a little bit.

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Jessica Fisher: Yeah, absolutely.

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Jessica Fisher: So the way I see it, and it's very much like exactly what you just said, a pet health coach is somebody who fills that gap between pet parent and veterinarian.

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Jessica Fisher: Because more often than not, of course, somebody that's listening to your podcast or my podcast, they may have a really wonderful holistic vet that they can work with.

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Jessica Fisher: But most pet parents in the US and I'd say probably other developed countries are working with veterinarians who exactly what you said, they have been trained really, really well in setting broken bones.

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Jessica Fisher: I want to say fix broken bones, but that's not what they do either.

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Jessica Fisher: They set them so that they can heal properly.

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Jessica Fisher: Exactly.

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Jessica Fisher: They're doing triage.

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Jessica Fisher: They can do surgery.

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Jessica Fisher: When we need pain meds or when we really need an antibiotic, that's wonderful.

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Jessica Fisher: They can do all of those things.

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Jessica Fisher: They can diagnose.

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Jessica Fisher: They can run the labs and interpret them.

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Jessica Fisher: Honestly, I think you and I can interpret the labs too, but the pet parent can't.

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Jessica Fisher: That's not to say that they will never be able to, absolutely a pet parent could learn all these things too.

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Jessica Fisher: But you go to your nine to five job every day and I go to my nine to five job every day, just the difference is my nine to five job is helping you with your pet.

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Jessica Fisher: So I have a different skill set than what you do.

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Jessica Fisher: So I'm bridging that gap between the pet parent and the veterinarian and helping them with, okay, we don't need to be so scared.

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Jessica Fisher: I know you got a really bad diagnosis or hopefully somebody is coming, you know, talking to me about preventative.

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Jessica Fisher: Gosh, I'd love that.

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Jessica Fisher: Right.

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Jessica Fisher: But we don't, okay, let's not jump the gun.

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Jessica Fisher: Let's not be scared.

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Jessica Fisher: Let's calm down.

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Jessica Fisher: Let's breathe.

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Jessica Fisher: And let's really assess this and see are Western meds necessary or are there other alternatives where we could interject some more holistic options to the body so that the body can do what it does best and naturally heal itself.

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Jessica Fisher: So it is bridging that gap.

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Jessica Fisher: And I do focus very heavy on nutrition, not just because it's probably my favorite subject, which it probably is, but it is the foundation.

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Jessica Fisher: This is what you put in your body every single day, three meals a day or however often you eat.

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Jessica Fisher: And you're doing the same for your pets.

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Jessica Fisher: It is the foundation of everything else.

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Jessica Fisher: Every function your body performs is because of that nutrition you put in the body.

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Jessica Fisher: So if we're not getting that right, we can supplement our way.

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Jessica Fisher: Nothing is going to do what good nutrition does.

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Jody Teiche: It's like if you're supplementing and putting bad nutrition in the body, you're pushing a big, big boulder uphill.

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Jody Teiche: And yes, the nutrition is the foundation of the house always with us and them.

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Jody Teiche: And the vitamins, minerals, the amino acid profile that they need is what's telling the body to perform at its optimal level.

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Jody Teiche: So yes, yes, yes, I love all of it.

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Jody Teiche: Let's talk a little bit about these specialized diets that you work with to help pet parents solve certain problems.

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Jody Teiche: Explain rotational feeding and then explain the elimination diet.

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Jessica Fisher: So I tend to use them in conjunction, but yes.

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Jessica Fisher: Rotational feeding is, I don't care if your dog is the healthiest dog in the world or sadly the sickest dog in the world.

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Jessica Fisher: I think every dog can benefit from rotational feeding.

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Jessica Fisher: And really all we're doing is changing the actual ingredients so that, for instance, one day you might be feeding beef and the next day you might be feeding quail and the next day you might be feeding bison or pork or whatever you can get and whatever part of the world you live in.

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Jessica Fisher: And through that, of course, that's just the main component of the meal, hopefully, is the meat.

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Jessica Fisher: But then we can also change out the veggies, we can change out the fat, we can change out the oils, we can change out so many different things.

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Jessica Fisher: And by doing so, we are feeding different nutrients to the body.

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Jessica Fisher: So somebody might look at a beef heart and a chicken heart and say, they're both hearts.

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Jessica Fisher: So they have the same nutrition, they do not have the same nutrition profile.

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Jessica Fisher: Or even, you know, a beef liver on a lot raised cow versus a beef liver on a grass-fed cow.

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Jessica Fisher: Very different nutritional profiles.

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Jessica Fisher: So rotational feeding is this idea that through Whole Foods, we can rotate them and provide everything the body needs.

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Jody Teiche: I love that.

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Jody Teiche: And it was so exciting.

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Jody Teiche: I know you're a nutrition geek too, so I can share this with you.

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Jody Teiche: It was so exciting when I learned that every meat has its own amino acid profile and each one is different than the next.

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Jody Teiche: They may overlap, but each one is different than the next.

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Jody Teiche: And then it made so much sense that if someone is feeding their dog beef for years, that they could develop an allergy to that very thing.

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Jody Teiche: Made sense to me.

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Jody Teiche: So I love that.

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Jody Teiche: I actually thought rotational feeding was more fruit one day, vegetables next day, meat the next day, fast the next day.

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Jessica Fisher: There is a rotational feeding model that a woman and I forgive me, I do not know her name came out with.

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Jessica Fisher: That is exactly what you're saying.

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Jody Teiche: Yes.

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Jessica Fisher: And I have heard really great things about it and I have heard really bad things about it.

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Jessica Fisher: So I have not ventured into that world.

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Jessica Fisher: So I think it's bad, I mean, to me personally, I think it's a little faddish.

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Jessica Fisher: Maybe it could more closely resemble what an animal in the wild would do because obviously, you know, an animal brings down a big carcass of an animal and they're going to start with the organs and then they'll get to the bone and that could take place over the course of a week or so.

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Jessica Fisher: So I get where it's coming from.

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Jessica Fisher: And you know what?

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Jessica Fisher: If it works for some dogs, wonderful.

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Jessica Fisher: But no, in the context of food therapy, I think just the idea of rotating the ingredients of the diet is really what I focus on.

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Jody Teiche: Yeah.

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Jody Teiche: Her name actually is Stephanie Kroll, Dr.

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Jody Teiche: Stephanie Kroll.

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Jody Teiche: And she is a functional medicine doctor and she also helps pets.

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Jody Teiche: And she's a friend.

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Jody Teiche: And I tried, I actually tried this diet on my three dogs when I still had Jasper.

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Jody Teiche: And my Sophie and especially Sophie and Annabelle, they just don't really like fruit.

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Jody Teiche: And they really are not crazy about vegetables.

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Jody Teiche: But because they over like the course of a few days or maybe a week, they learn this is the way it is.

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Jody Teiche: One day you're going to get all these really beautiful fruits and the next day you're going to get all these really great vegetables and the next day you're going to get meat.

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Jody Teiche: They kind of went along as best they could.

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Jody Teiche: Vegetables they actually ended up eating and fruits, not so much.

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Jody Teiche: But it's a tough diet to maintain.

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Jody Teiche: And I didn't keep them on it long enough to really see if it made a huge difference in their lives.

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Jody Teiche: I like the idea of what you're talking about.

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Jody Teiche: I like the idea of switching it up.

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Jody Teiche: Sometimes I'll just do it in the same bowl.

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Jody Teiche: I'll put different kinds of meats, certainly different kinds of organ meats.

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Jody Teiche: There's a beautiful company out of Miami called Raw Feeding Miami.

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Jody Teiche: You're familiar?

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Jody Teiche: Yeah.

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Jody Teiche: They have great organ meats.

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Jody Teiche: They really are able to source like all sorts of wide variety.

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Jody Teiche: And so I will get some of the things that I can source here in Texas from them and they may actually make an organ mash where they have a bunch of different organ meats.

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Jody Teiche: So I love what you're talking about.

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Jody Teiche: And yes, I think it's super, super valuable.

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Jody Teiche: We are going to take a short break.

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Jody Teiche: But when we come back, I would love to hear some stories like cases that you worked with, handled where what you did, the choices you made with the pet parent made a difference.

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Jody Teiche: Can you share that with us when we get back?

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Jessica Fisher: Absolutely.

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Jody Teiche: Awesome.

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Jody Teiche: OK, so refresh that favorite beverage.

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Jody Teiche: Get cozy and we will be right back.

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Jody Teiche: Welcome back.

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Jody Teiche: You're listening to The Pet Health Coach on Pet Life Radio.

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Jody Teiche: I'm Jody Teiche.

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Jody Teiche: And if you're just joining, we're here today with Jessica Fisher, who is a fellow pet health coach and focuses highly on nutrition.

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Jody Teiche: The foundation of the house.

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Jody Teiche: And she too has a podcast.

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Jody Teiche: And we're going to be talking about that as well.

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Jody Teiche: So Jessica, welcome back.

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Jody Teiche: Share with us maybe a couple of cases where you've, the decisions you've made with the pet parent have made a difference in that animal's life.

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Jessica Fisher: Yeah, you know, I'd like to think that I make a pretty big difference in all of their lives.

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Jessica Fisher: But certainly there are some, you know, stories, case studies that are going to stick out in your mind a little bit better.

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Jessica Fisher: The first dog I worked with, I worked with for free, of course, because I'm like a student, you know, learning how to be a pet health coach.

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Jessica Fisher: And he is probably one of the biggest ones for me.

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Jessica Fisher: Even though it isn't something that I did, quote professionally, I wasn't paid for it.

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Jessica Fisher: I was, first of all, blown away that, especially on my first real case as a certified health coach, was that the pet parent actually followed through.

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Jessica Fisher: Like, how many times do we talk to somebody and they're like, implement this, but not that, or this is too much work and they give up.

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Jessica Fisher: And, you know, you feel bad because the pet is still suffering, but honestly, it's not your fault.

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Jessica Fisher: But that's, you know, I was really lucky that this pet parent actually followed through and did literally everything I asked of her, no matter how difficult it was.

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Jessica Fisher: So this was a pit bull mix who was just red and inflamed.

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Jessica Fisher: Not an unusual story for dogs these days, sadly.

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Jody Teiche: Especially pit mixes.

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Jessica Fisher: Mm-hmm.

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Jessica Fisher: Red, inflamed, itchy, had been on a mix of Apiquel and Sido.

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Jessica Fisher: But first of all, only two and a half years old had already been on a mix of Apiquel and Sido Point for over a year of its life.

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Jessica Fisher: Like, I mean, this dog, poor thing, right?

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Jessica Fisher: Because at two and a half years old, you're looking at many, many, many more years.

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Jessica Fisher: And you don't want to have to be on these, you know, immunosuppressive drugs.

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Jessica Fisher: And they're not, you know, read the insert.

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Jessica Fisher: They're not for long-term use, while many dogs wind up on them for the rest of their lives.

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Jessica Fisher: And so she said, I just, I just don't know what to do.

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Jessica Fisher: And so we talked through it all.

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Jessica Fisher: And we did a rotation and elimination diet after doing a Glacier Peaks Life Wellness Scan.

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Jessica Fisher: So that's a whole bunch of words that are hard for me to string together.

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Jessica Fisher: But basically it's just an intolerance testing, you know, biofeedback, energetic intolerance testing.

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Jessica Fisher: And it tests over 300 different things, many of which are different food items, gives us a starting point.

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Jessica Fisher: So we can say, okay, let's assume everything on this test is accurate and work from there.

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Jessica Fisher: So we wind up with 50 different things that we need to remove from the diet.

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Jessica Fisher: And then all these other things that we can now try in the diet.

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Jessica Fisher: And important to know, these are suspected intolerances.

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Jessica Fisher: Allergies, true food allergies in dogs are actually really, really rare, probably less than 10% of dogs that are quote unquote, itchy, irritable, you know, food sensitive, food intolerant.

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Jessica Fisher: They're food sensitive or food intolerant.

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Jessica Fisher: So what we have to do in these cases is work with the gut to help the gut heal itself and give it room, give it space to do so using some supplementation to kind of help the body along where necessary.

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Jessica Fisher: But most of what we're doing is food therapy.

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Jessica Fisher: So we are rotating every single day.

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Jessica Fisher: This dog is not getting the same thing to eat day after day after day after day.

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Jessica Fisher: We are changing it up so that the immune system, that the body doesn't have the chance to build an attack to any one thing.

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Jessica Fisher: Because that's what it's used to doing at this point when we talk about quote unquote leaky gut or intestinal permeability.

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Jessica Fisher: These are food particles that are getting through the lining of the intestines of the stomach because they are so damaged and so inflamed that they're allowing particles that should never leave the digestive system outside of the digestive system.

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Jessica Fisher: Our body, the dog's body then says, okay, this shouldn't be here, mounts an attack against it, boom, we have a sensitivity.

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Jessica Fisher: So we work using food to make sure that the body doesn't have a chance to build any more of these sensitivities.

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Jessica Fisher: And I think the reason why it's so important to work with somebody like you or me is because we really understand that and we can advise you on that.

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Jessica Fisher: Whereas, I see so many pet parents who are like, they go from one food to the next food to the next food to the next food, thinking that it's that food.

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Jody Teiche: Yes.

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Jessica Fisher: Meanwhile, all these different ingredients and all these different foods they're feeding, we're just creating more and more sensitivities because we're not allowing the gut to heal itself.

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Jessica Fisher: So it's really this like two pronged approach and that's the elimination part.

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Jessica Fisher: We find some, we find foods that the dog can actually eat and we build off of that.

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Jessica Fisher: We create a diet off of that and eventually as the gut begins to heal itself, we're going to slowly start reintroducing some of these other foods so that we can test them and hopefully bring them back into the diet to be able to give them that really robust profile of foods that we can feed.

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Jessica Fisher: Sadly, so many pet parents have been, we've been drilled in our heads for I don't know how many decades at this point, your dog is going to get sick if you change their food and keep them on the same food for their whole life and it is creating so many problems.

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Jessica Fisher: But anyway, and this dog, let me get back to this dog, his name is Jackson.

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Jessica Fisher: This pet parent did everything I told her to do and we did the rotation and we did the elimination and we supplemented various supplements that I don't want to get into because they differ for every animal.

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Jessica Fisher: This is individualized coaching and recommendations, but we're working off of a foundation of individualized medicine.

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Jessica Fisher: And so it is, where are we now?

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Jessica Fisher: We are in September as we're recording this.

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Jessica Fisher: And this dog has been off of Apoquel and Cytopoint since December of last year.

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Jessica Fisher: And I am just blown away because this, I can do what I do all day long.

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Jessica Fisher: It's this pet parent.

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Jessica Fisher: Like she is the superstar here because she did it.

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Jessica Fisher: She did the work.

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Jessica Fisher: And even though I'm supposed to be telling you what I did, like I'm just so proud of my clients who are doing the work.

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Jessica Fisher: So she's really the one that I, that I would highlight for success.

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Jody Teiche: Yes, congratulations and I so understand what you mean because it's those pet parents that actually do the work, follow the instructions that get the results that they want.

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Jody Teiche: And it's so heartening because the most frustrating thing is when you know you can help.

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Jody Teiche: You're giving suggestions that you know have worked in the past and they just don't stay the course.

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Jody Teiche: And so you're left with the same situation over and over again and it's sad.

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Jody Teiche: It's sad for the dog, especially the dog or the cat.

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Jody Teiche: So I absolutely feel you and I'm so excited.

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Jody Teiche: Skin is a very difficult issue to deal with, especially chronic skin.

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Jody Teiche: So the fact that nutrition alone was able to heal this animal in the way that you presented it, kudos to you.

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Jody Teiche: That's amazing.

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Jessica Fisher: Yeah.

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Jessica Fisher: Well, she did the work, like I said.

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Jody Teiche: Yeah.

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Jody Teiche: But you laid the groundwork for her to do the work.

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Jody Teiche: Your knowledge transfer was really important, really important.

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Jody Teiche: That's what we do.

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Jody Teiche: It's knowledge transfer, it's resources, it's, you know, guidance.

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Jody Teiche: We are, especially because these babies can't speak.

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Jody Teiche: They can't tell us what's wrong.

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Jody Teiche: So, it's especially frustrating and oftentimes worrisome to pet parents.

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Jody Teiche: What do I do?

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Jody Teiche: What do I do?

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Jody Teiche: They're looking for answers.

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Jody Teiche: And hopefully, pet health coaches know more than the average pet parent.

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Jody Teiche: So we are able, through our training and experience, to provide that.

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Jody Teiche: And that's what you did.

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Jody Teiche: And good for you, awesome, what's your view on bio-individuality in pet health coaching?

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Jody Teiche: You mentioned something about that when you talked about supplements and not being able to get into what supplements because every pet is different, every case is different.

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Jody Teiche: Talk about that for a sec, because that's something that's very, very important to me and that I learned in my training for human health coaching.

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Jody Teiche: And I believe it's the same for animals.

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Jody Teiche: So talk about that.

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Jessica Fisher: Yeah, it's this idea that we can have a checklist and say X disease comes up and this is the checklist and every person and animal on the planet follows this checklist.

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Jessica Fisher: And I don't know how that makes sense to anyone, to be honest.

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Jessica Fisher: But yes, every animal is different, every human is different.

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Jessica Fisher: We not only we have different genetics that absolutely plays a part in disease, that absolutely plays a part in gene expression, it plays a part in character.

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Jessica Fisher: We have all of these and then we have environmental differences.

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Jessica Fisher: I mean, my brother and I are what 17 months apart.

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Jessica Fisher: We grew up in the exact same homes and blah, blah, blah.

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Jessica Fisher: We are very different people.

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Jessica Fisher: There are so many different things and then on top of that, we're eating different things and we have different, maybe your liver is going to work a little bit better than mine at eliminating toxins in the body.

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Jessica Fisher: I mean, there are so many variables that a lot of which we still today, as advanced as we think we are, don't have the ability to calculate.

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Jessica Fisher: It just is what it is.

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Jessica Fisher: And so, yes, we can create programs of, I know these four supplements are going to be my go-to.

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Jessica Fisher: I want to start with for hyperkeratosis or this particular hemangiococcal, whatever it is.

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Jessica Fisher: You have things that you know have worked in the past.

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Jessica Fisher: Okay, that's a starting point.

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Jessica Fisher: That's wonderful.

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Jessica Fisher: But really customizing, especially when we're talking about the diet, I have never given two different animals the same diet.

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Jessica Fisher: It doesn't happen, whether that is because one animal needs going back to like TCVM, one animal may need warming foods, one animal may need cooling foods, one animal may need liver tonics, we might need to tonify blood in another animal.

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Jessica Fisher: So we're not going to create, first of all, the same base diet for every animal, much less create the same supplement routine.

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Jessica Fisher: And again, talking about sensitivities, because that is what I deal with so much more than anything else, is we just have so many animals with so many sensitivities these days, and we have to worry about that in supplements as well.

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Jessica Fisher: So yeah, I just don't, I see so much better progress in animals when I look at them as an individual and say, for you, we're going to go with this supplement and not this supplement, even though this supplement works really, really well and this other dog over here who has the same condition you do, well, your symptoms may not be the same, even though you have the same condition.

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Jessica Fisher: So, yes, it is all very individualized and I just see so much better success when we do it that way.

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Jessica Fisher: And that doesn't, sadly, it just doesn't fit into our medical system as it exists today.

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Jessica Fisher: So that's why we're, that's why what you and I do is so needed.

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Jody Teiche: Yes, agreed, agreed.

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Jody Teiche: There's no time in the way the system is set up for doctors to spend the time with each patient that's required to really consider bio-individuality.

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Jody Teiche: And one other thing that also comes up in terms of differences between animals is energetically.

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Jody Teiche: What is the energy in that home?

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Jody Teiche: You know, they're so intuitive, our animals, and the vagus nerve connecting the gut and the brain is so intrinsic in how we feel, how they feel.

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Jody Teiche: Most of their serotonin is manufactured in the gut just like us.

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Jody Teiche: And their immune system, 80% of it resides in the gut, like us, give or take a few percentage points.

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Jody Teiche: But the energetic aspect is also something to be considered.

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Jody Teiche: So it's, yes, there are so many variables.

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Jody Teiche: And I think it's wonderful that you consider that bioindividuality when you coach and, you know, like take a case.

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Jody Teiche: So you have a podcast too, The Pet Parenting Reset.

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Jody Teiche: Tell us about it.

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Jessica Fisher: Yeah, you know, I had a YouTube channel for a long time.

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Jessica Fisher: I say a long time.

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Jessica Fisher: I mean, I don't know, maybe 10 years now, but a couple of years ago, I just said, I just wanted to do something different.

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Jessica Fisher: I didn't see, like there are pet podcasts out there.

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Jessica Fisher: Of course, there are pet podcasts out there.

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Jessica Fisher: A lot, a lot of them are very like, I guess what I would call 1.0, they're kind of surface level.

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Jessica Fisher: And that's wonderful.

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Jessica Fisher: That's great.

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Jessica Fisher: They are absolutely needed.

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Jessica Fisher: We need to get people over to our side.

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Jessica Fisher: Like I want to say the dark side, but it's not the dark side.

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Jessica Fisher: It's really the bright side.

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Jody Teiche: It's all about the light.

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Jessica Fisher: It is, it's really the bright side.

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Jessica Fisher: But we need people like that to help bridge that gap between where I know I was 15 years ago and where I am today.

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Jessica Fisher: But I didn't see a ton of podcasts specifically.

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Jessica Fisher: Yes, there are some wonderful veterinarians that are putting out really great information on their YouTube and Facebook and places like that.

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Jessica Fisher: But specifically on podcasts, which I have fallen in love with.

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Jessica Fisher: I want to, between Audible and my Apple iTunes, that is where I'm at all of the time.

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Jessica Fisher: And I didn't see anything that was really doing deeper dives into issues like I want to hear about.

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Jessica Fisher: And so I started out talking about dog training because at the time, that was what I was most comfortable talking about.

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Jessica Fisher: And it very, very quickly evolved and snowballed as I started getting more and more guests on the show.

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Jessica Fisher: I have had so many wonderful holistic veterinarians on the show, people in industry, Green Juju, Viva Raw, really wonderful, wonderful guests, Angela Ardilino.

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Jessica Fisher: So they get an hour generally to do a deep dive on their specific topic or on why they do whatever they do creating their products to help explain to pet parents like me who are like, that looks wonderful on the surface, but I don't trust anything.

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Jessica Fisher: Do a deep dive.

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Jessica Fisher: So that's really what it has kind of snowballed and evolved into.

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Jessica Fisher: And I try to alternate a solo episode one week and then an expert episode the following week and kind of rotate it like that.

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Jessica Fisher: I am getting so many people that want to come and talk to my audience, which is wonderful that my solo episodes are becoming a little more further and far between.

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Jessica Fisher: But I try because I really get excellent feedback, which is wonderful.

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Jessica Fisher: But that's really where my podcast lies in the realm of pet podcasts in general.

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Jody Teiche: Okay, fantastic.

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Jody Teiche: And where can they listen to your podcast?

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Jessica Fisher: It's on all the major podcasting platforms.

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Jessica Fisher: I do put the video version up on YouTube and Rumble if you prefer a video version.

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Jessica Fisher: And then the petparentingreset.com is the main website for the podcast.

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Jessica Fisher: So you'll find all of the episodes there.

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Jody Teiche: Perfect.

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Jody Teiche: Is there anything that I left out that you would like to share, Jessica?

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Jessica Fisher: Oh my gosh, I think we could talk for days and days and days.

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Jody Teiche: I know, like preaching to the converted.

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Jessica Fisher: Yeah, no, I think just trust your gut, trust your intuition, trust your veterinarian, but trust but verify is kind of, I think, how we should live our lives.

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Jessica Fisher: Trust them.

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Jessica Fisher: They are excellent, as Jody said, at doing what they do, but it is our job as pet parents to understand what they don't do.

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Jessica Fisher: And so people like us filling in those gaps, I think, can be very beneficial to so many pet parents.

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Jessica Fisher: And yeah, just open up your mind and listen to your heart.

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Jessica Fisher: And I think that makes you the best pet parent you can be.

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Jody Teiche: That's beautiful advice.

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Jody Teiche: Where can people find you outside of the podcast?

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Jessica Fisher: So my main website, where if you wanted to book a consultation with me, no pressure, obviously, jessicalfisher.com.

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Jessica Fisher: And I generally, on the socials, I just do the Pet Parenting Reset to make it easy.

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Jessica Fisher: So Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, it's all the Pet Parenting Reset.

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Jody Teiche: Perfect.

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Jody Teiche: Jessica, thank you so much for being here today.

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Jody Teiche: You shared some wonderful information for pet parents listening and very valuable.

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Jody Teiche: So I really appreciate you and appreciate you being here.

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Jessica Fisher: Well, thank you, Jody.

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Jessica Fisher: I appreciate you as well.

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Jessica Fisher: And thank you for having me on.

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Jody Teiche: Awesome.

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Jody Teiche: And thank you all for listening.

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Jody Teiche: A Pet Health Coach is your champion, a bridge between you and your vet.

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Jody Teiche: We are empowered through knowledge, resources, accountability and support that a good health coach can provide.

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Jody Teiche: So tune in next week for information, expert interviews and tips to give the animals we love the longest and most vibrant life we can.

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Jody Teiche: I'm Jody L.

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Jody Teiche: Teiche and this is The Pet Health Coach.

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