Rappaport To The Rescue

Internationally renowned photographer, producer, creator and the man behind the hit show America’s Next Top Model, Nigel Barker is truly a force to be reckoned with, especially as an animal advocate!

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BIO:

Nigel Barker is an internationally renowned photographer, creative director and entrepreneur who opened his New York studio in 1996. He served 17 seasons as photographer and judge on the hit TV show, America’s Next Top Model, which aired in over 140 countries, and hosted Oxygen Network’s modeling competition series, The Face, starring alongside Naomi Campbell. Barker also created the VH1 Reality show The Shot, his podcast The Shaken & Stirred Show is currently in production for it’s TV release. His latest hit show Top Photographer premiered to rave reviews and a second season is in the works. 

Barker’s presence in the fashion and entertainment industry has resulted in an array of exciting projects including the creation of his own furniture line the NB1 & NB2 Collections, A skate board collection with ShutNYC, 3 signature fragrances with Demeter, a unique custom NB Photobooth, and as Ambassador for AC Hotels by Marriott he created the first ever specialty Gin & Tonic glass and many more innovative projects. 

As Creative Director, Barker currently works with 21c Hotel Chicago and the Sustainable Fashion Brands EcoFashionCorp and YesAnd. He is also a Founder and partner in the NYC/LA gym, The DOGPOUND.

Barker has directed and produced films, documentaries and commercials for Hollywood clients to international charitable organizations and was awarded the “Film Heals” Award for Humanitarianism at the 6th Annual Manhattan Film Festival for Dreams Are Not Forgotten. Using the power of photography and motion pictures he has been able to spread his humanitarian message to vast audiences through films, PSA’s and traveling exhibitions.  He has worked with several charitable organizations including the Special Olympics where he serves as a Champion Ambassador, The Humane Society of the United States, The Humane Society International, Make A Wish Foundation, The Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric Aids Foundation (as a 2 term board member), Jumpstart (where he serves as a board member)The Edeyo Foundation (board member) and the USO where he serves as a digital advisory committee member. 

Drawing upon his 20+ years of experience in the fashion and beauty industries, he has two books—The Beauty Equation, published by Abrams, and his latest book, New York Times Best Seller Models of Influence published by Harper Collins. Nigel currently lives in Woodstock NY with his wife and renown Yogi, Cristen AKA @ChinTwins and their two children Jack and Jasmine.

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Announcer: This is Pet Life Radio.

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Announcer: Let's talk pets.

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Announcer: Rappaport to the Rescue, with award-winning animal advocate, best-selling author, journalist, and pet products creator, Jill Rappaport.

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Jill Rappaport: Hi, I'm Jill Rappaport, and welcome to Rappaport to the Rescue.

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Jill Rappaport: You know, what I love about this show is the interesting and exciting and unusual guests that I get with the one common denominator, our love of animals and our need to protect them.

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Jill Rappaport: We have so many interesting guests in the world of film, TV, fashion, music, all walks of life.

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Jill Rappaport: And I just love hearing about their fascinating stories, how they got to where they are and how animals really help them become the people they truly are today.

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Jill Rappaport: And that's why I'm so excited about my guest, Nigel Barker.

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Jill Rappaport: This guy is an internationally renowned photographer, creative director, entrepreneur.

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Jill Rappaport: You remember the name because he served 17 seasons as photographer and judge on the hit TV show America's Next Top Model, which aired in over 140 countries.

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Jill Rappaport: He also hosted the competition series, The Face, starring alongside supermodel Naomi Campbell.

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Jill Rappaport: And he also created the VH1 reality show, The Shot.

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Jill Rappaport: His podcast, The Shaken and Stirred Show is currently in production for its TV release.

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Jill Rappaport: And his latest hit show, Top Photographer, premiered to great reviews.

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Jill Rappaport: And it looks like that show will be coming back as well.

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Jill Rappaport: Now let's add on his other accomplishments.

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Jill Rappaport: Nigel Barker has also created a furniture line, a skateboard collection, three signature fragrances.

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Jill Rappaport: He's directed and produced films and documentaries.

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Jill Rappaport: And his philanthropy work knows no bounds.

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Jill Rappaport: This guy is a true humanitarian, working with so many charitable organizations, including the Special Olympics, where he serves as a champion ambassador, the Humane Society of the United States, the Humane Society International, Make-A-Wish Foundation, and the Elizabeth Glazer Pediatric AIDS Foundation.

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Jill Rappaport: And Barker is also part of this year's wonderful equine campaign, Seen Through Horses.

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Jill Rappaport: And did I also mention he is an author, and his latest book is a New York Times bestseller called Models of Influence.

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Jill Rappaport: When we come back, the man of many talents and jobs, Nigel Barker.

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Jill Rappaport: Welcome back to Rappaport to the Rescue.

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Jill Rappaport: I'm Jill Rappaport.

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Jill Rappaport: A little winded from reading all of my next guest's credits.

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Jill Rappaport: Wow, what hasn't this guy done?

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Jill Rappaport: Nigel Barker, so happy to have you here, and so nice to finally meet you.

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Jill Rappaport: And if you heard that whole intro, which I'm hoping you did, Nigel, I can't even believe you have time for this podcast.

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Nigel Barker: Oh, you're very sweet.

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Nigel Barker: No, it's a pleasure to be here.

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Nigel Barker: Thank you very much.

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Jill Rappaport: Well, you are really a Renaissance man, and you truly put the D in diversified.

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Jill Rappaport: What haven't you done in your career?

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Nigel Barker: There's plenty I haven't done.

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Nigel Barker: I mean, I still feel there's a lot ahead of me.

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Nigel Barker: There's always things that you strive for.

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Nigel Barker: I like to think that anything is possible.

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Nigel Barker: I think that it's very easy to pigeonhole yourself.

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Nigel Barker: I always tell people who ask me, don't limit yourself by perhaps the degree you have or the education you have or whatever anybody else might put around you.

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Nigel Barker: The world will try and pigeonhole you and tell you you can't do things already.

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Nigel Barker: Don't be the one to say that you can't do them yourself.

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Nigel Barker: I guess I'm my best cheerleader of me, and I'm always thinking, well, what crazy thing can I do next?

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Nigel Barker: What different thing?

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Nigel Barker: What have I not done?

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Nigel Barker: So if it's creating a furniture line, if it's coming out my own fragrance.

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Jill Rappaport: Books, documentaries, TV shows, you've done it all.

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Nigel Barker: I've done a lot of things.

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Nigel Barker: I've done a lot of different things.

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Nigel Barker: There's a few things up my sleeve that I'm working on still, but I guess the bigger part of it is that nothing is off the table.

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Jill Rappaport: That is so great.

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Jill Rappaport: And even if somebody gives you a no at this point in your life, and I probably would think that they don't, you're at the level where I bet very few people say no to you, Nigel, but if they do, how do you handle rejection?

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Nigel Barker: It doesn't happen very often.

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Jill Rappaport: I love that.

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Jill Rappaport: I wish that would apply to me.

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Nigel Barker: It's the truth of the matter, but it's also less to do with rejection.

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Nigel Barker: It's the way I kind of look at it.

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Nigel Barker: It's not so much that people don't say no, they may not necessarily agree, or they may not think that now is the time, but that doesn't mean you've been rejected.

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Nigel Barker: I guess it's also how you look at it.

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Nigel Barker: I think it's very easy in this day and age for people to feel rejected or to feel that they haven't got enough likes.

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Nigel Barker: For example, we live in a social media world where you post something or do something, and if people don't react to it in a positive manner or just in any manner, then you feel that maybe it wasn't a good idea or it wasn't great, or people didn't appreciate it or what have you.

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Nigel Barker: I don't run my world like that.

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Nigel Barker: I'm very much my own editor, my own kind of decided whether I want to do something or not based on whether I want to do it.

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Nigel Barker: But I think that's also the purview of an artist in general.

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Nigel Barker: I think to be a successful artist or just ready to be an artist, you have to be the one who paints for yourself.

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Nigel Barker: You don't paint or shoot or do whatever it is for someone else, because if you do, you're really working for hire, you're not really creating because that's how you're driven to be.

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Nigel Barker: Otherwise, you would never know as an artist when to put the paintbrush down.

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Jill Rappaport: What's amazing about you, Nigel, you've worked in this high fashion world for so many years with the biggest superstars in the industry like Naomi Campbell.

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Jill Rappaport: There's been so much criticism today about when we look at a photo, are we really looking at something that's real?

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Jill Rappaport: Because there is so much retouching, we don't even know what to believe when we see a photo anymore.

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Nigel Barker: But that goes back to so many things.

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Nigel Barker: I think that people get overexcited about a lot of these things.

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Nigel Barker: What are we trying to believe in anyway?

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Nigel Barker: Do you like the picture?

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Nigel Barker: Do you not like the picture?

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Nigel Barker: It's pretty simple.

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Nigel Barker: If it's about belief, then that's not really the world of fashion and fantasy and imagination and dream, and what a lot of what I work in is about.

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Nigel Barker: Yes, if it's about realism and about photo journalism, taking pictures of people and it's a politician or something, you've somehow morphed them, that's perhaps a different world.

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Nigel Barker: It really depends on what we're talking about.

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Nigel Barker: I say, look, first of all, any photographer worth their salt knows how to manage the light, and with the light, you can change the shape of someone's face and change the way they look and feel.

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Nigel Barker: You can use shadow to create mystery.

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Nigel Barker: All of these things change the perception of how someone reacts to a photograph.

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Nigel Barker: So you could argue that anybody who does anything even remotely artistic to a photograph is changing how you perceive that picture to be, and therefore changing your thoughts.

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Jill Rappaport: What about the image for young girls?

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Jill Rappaport: You have surrounded yourself and you've been so successful in the world of fashion and beauty surrounded by the most beautiful women in the world on your shows, and every show that has the Nigel Barker touch seems to have the golden touch.

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Jill Rappaport: So many young girls today look at shows like that in admiration, but also envy, and that can be a little dangerous, right?

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Nigel Barker: Let me look again.

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Nigel Barker: There's nothing new here.

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Nigel Barker: There's nothing that is out of the ordinary and is going to change.

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Nigel Barker: I think when you look back at shows that I've worked on from back in the day, it's easier to look back at them with hindsight and say, oh, we wouldn't say that now, we wouldn't do that now.

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Nigel Barker: But it wasn't now.

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Nigel Barker: Those were done 20 years ago and things are constantly in flux.

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Nigel Barker: But oftentimes, if you don't have the conversation, if you don't have these things come up in the first place, then they don't get discussed and they don't happen.

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Nigel Barker: Yes, models certainly were too skinny, were not diversified enough, were very much one type, and still are, to many respects, that same way.

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Nigel Barker: But it's changing and has changed.

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Nigel Barker: A large part has changed because of shows like Top Model, where we brought up these conversations and we started to make things different and we started to include full-figured models and petite models, models of color and all the rest of it were.

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Nigel Barker: I mean, did we do it perfectly?

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Nigel Barker: Of course not.

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Nigel Barker: We didn't.

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Nigel Barker: Did we try?

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Nigel Barker: Yeah.

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Nigel Barker: Did we think we were doing it right?

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Nigel Barker: We tried.

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Nigel Barker: But again, what was right then isn't right now and so on and so forth.

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Nigel Barker: I do think that if you don't have any kind of communication or dialogue on these things, nothing ever gets done.

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Nigel Barker: Sometimes these things have to get out there and it's not always the healthiest thing, it's not always the best thing, but it is what it is and it's also drawn by consumer.

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Nigel Barker: At the end of the day, the advertising industry, they're not necessarily out there to create problem.

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Nigel Barker: They're actually out there to market to people in a way that they think that's going to react to them.

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Nigel Barker: Part of it is cultural issues that we have as far as what culturally we think is normal.

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Nigel Barker: That's not just created by the fashion industry, that's also created by all of us and how we expect people to be, and whether we consider things in a conservative manner or a more liberal manner, and what's okay in Europe isn't okay in the US, or isn't okay in Asia, or isn't okay in Africa, or wherever.

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Nigel Barker: There are different moral standards as well that apply across all these things, including things like nudity and things like that.

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Jill Rappaport: You've achieved incredible success, and people look up to you and they respect you, and yet you also work with teams of people, and you have to be open to hearing how they feel.

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Jill Rappaport: Is that something that has come easy for you, because you seem like a man of conviction, you have your own ideas, and you know what you want.

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Jill Rappaport: So when you're working with teams as a creative force, is that hard for you, or do you love that part of the business?

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Nigel Barker: It's always been a part of the business.

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Nigel Barker: And so I think that from very early on, you learn how about working in a team.

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Nigel Barker: I've told people this all the time that I'm not a one-man band.

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Nigel Barker: I might be the front man, but I'm not the band.

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Nigel Barker: And when you obviously bring me into a picture, I do my piece and that might be more heavy lifting than certain other people in that particular scenario, but in other times it may not be.

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Nigel Barker: And I think that it really depends on the job.

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Nigel Barker: But every job, certainly if, for example, it's a fashion shoot, the makeup, the hair, the styling, all those parts play a huge role and are incredibly important.

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Nigel Barker: And I'm not doing those pieces.

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Nigel Barker: I'm helping to direct them.

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Nigel Barker: I'm giving my opinion on them and we work in a collaborative way.

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Nigel Barker: But likewise, they also want the pictures to turn out right and the film to look good and the lighting to be beautiful and all these different pieces, which is our bigger part.

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Nigel Barker: Just the way the business is organized is that the jobs come mostly through us.

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Nigel Barker: So we are the ones who do the hiring.

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Nigel Barker: And so for that reason, you end up being the boss, but really on set, a lot of that becomes more democratized.

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Nigel Barker: And despite the fact you are the boss, you don't necessarily behave in that manner because you realize when you're working with creatives in a creative world, that you want to give people creative freedom in order to do their best work.

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Nigel Barker: And so it doesn't actually benefit anyone to stifle that.

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Jill Rappaport: Because you have dabbled and really been involved in every facet of the business, what excites you the most?

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Jill Rappaport: What makes you get up in the morning and think, I can't wait to jump into this?

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Nigel Barker: You know, you have to lead your life with passion.

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Nigel Barker: And I'm excited by the smallest of things, to be honest.

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Nigel Barker: It doesn't have to be some kind of big thing that gets me going.

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Nigel Barker: It really is just the sort of joy of life in many ways, and doing things that are creative in general.

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Nigel Barker: I get excited making breakfast in the morning if I get the chance to do so.

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Nigel Barker: I get excited to make dinner at night.

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Jill Rappaport: And to do this podcast.

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Nigel Barker: It doesn't matter what it is.

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Jill Rappaport: Well, then answer.

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Nigel Barker: There's a great way to feel and sort of stop and smell the roses, right?

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Nigel Barker: I think one of the things that we have to do in my business is be very aware of what's happening right here, right now.

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Jill Rappaport: Right.

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Nigel Barker: That's the job.

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Nigel Barker: I'm about capturing the moment as it's happening.

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Nigel Barker: Therefore, you have to be focused on what's happening, and not too aware of what happened or what's about to happen.

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Jill Rappaport: And what you can't change.

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Nigel Barker: It's right here, and that's what I'm working with.

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Nigel Barker: And so that piece of it means that you are just super excited about all the things.

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Nigel Barker: So if I'm photographing some inanimate object, I create a story around it, and you get excited by what's happening, what's about to happen, and your mind sets up about the angles, the light, the texture, the sound that it might make, or whether it's cold or hot, or all the different things.

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Nigel Barker: And those all play a part of what makes it exciting.

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Jill Rappaport: Who have been some of the most exciting people you've worked with?

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Nigel Barker: I mean, look, I've been very privileged and got to work with some amazing artists and people and personalities over the years.

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Nigel Barker: I mean, I think there's a few standouts for sure.

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Nigel Barker: Taylor Swift is someone who I worked with a lot and did a book on her at one point.

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Nigel Barker: And she's someone who, not surprisingly in her youth, but she's a young woman still.

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Nigel Barker: But when she was much younger, I can talk about over a decade ago when I first started working with her, you could tell that she was someone who was a major, major talent and was able to just work in ways that was way above her years.

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Nigel Barker: So sometimes people, you see someone who's a creative or artist, and it can seem frivolous.

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Nigel Barker: You can meet the actor, you may say, well, they just act, they think they're so important or whatever.

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Nigel Barker: But the really good ones are so much more.

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Nigel Barker: They're brilliant brains and they're amazing people.

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Nigel Barker: And it's really difficult to be at the top of your game in any profession.

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Nigel Barker: And that also goes for models.

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Nigel Barker: That's why you may think, oh, just a pretty face.

00:14:11.349 --> 00:14:12.669
Nigel Barker: Not if you're a supermodel.

00:14:12.669 --> 00:14:20.009
Nigel Barker: If you become a supermodel, the only way for that to happen is that you are actually a pretty darn smart business person yourself.

00:14:20.009 --> 00:14:23.429
Nigel Barker: Because you cannot juggle that kind of workload.

00:14:23.429 --> 00:14:26.649
Nigel Barker: And somehow the hard part is then you also have to just be the model too.

00:14:26.649 --> 00:14:33.829
Nigel Barker: But to get to that level at any sort of top level of business requires anything, acting, musician, anything.

00:14:33.829 --> 00:14:34.969
Nigel Barker: It takes an incredible mind.

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Nigel Barker: And so she was one of those people.

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Jill Rappaport: You keep in touch with Taylor?

00:14:38.629 --> 00:14:39.309
Jill Rappaport: You talk to her?

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Nigel Barker: Not really at this point.

00:14:40.449 --> 00:14:46.389
Nigel Barker: That job came through Sony, who I had a very long-standing deal with.

00:14:46.389 --> 00:14:55.069
Nigel Barker: I worked for them for about a decade non-stop and got the opportunity to work with a lot of their big stars, Justin Timberlake and Peyton Manning and people like that as well.

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Jill Rappaport: No, it's just amazing because Taylor literally is, she's the most famous person in the world.

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Jill Rappaport: She could go on Twitter right now and on Instagram and tell us who to vote for.

00:15:04.709 --> 00:15:09.389
Jill Rappaport: And of course, as the whole world knows now, she is endorsing Kamala Harris.

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Jill Rappaport: That level of fame is so unbelievable.

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Jill Rappaport: And the fact that you got to work with her on such a personal and close manner.

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Nigel Barker: 100 percent, I agree.

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Nigel Barker: But at the same time, I just got back from a trip in Africa.

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Nigel Barker: I was in Sierra Leone and I got to photograph young girls in villages in the middle of nowhere.

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Nigel Barker: They're miles and hundreds of miles away from the capital, Freetown, in jungle areas and really difficult to get to, multiple four-wheel drive cars for hours up and down, going at few miles an hour, trying to get to these still places.

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Nigel Barker: And the people I met there and the women I photographed and the stories they had and they're all as important to me in many ways.

00:15:49.849 --> 00:15:57.429
Nigel Barker: And that's the beauty of what I get to do is that one day, I'm photographing someone who were famous and the next day, I'm photographing someone you've never heard of.

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Nigel Barker: And it doesn't make any difference really to me on how I approach the job.

00:16:00.889 --> 00:16:05.689
Jill Rappaport: For you, it's not about ever being starstruck, it's about being heart struck.

00:16:05.689 --> 00:16:06.969
Nigel Barker: It's about telling the story.

00:16:06.969 --> 00:16:08.729
Nigel Barker: You know, it's about finding that story.

00:16:08.729 --> 00:16:11.109
Nigel Barker: It's about the narrative of who they are and what they are.

00:16:11.109 --> 00:16:13.349
Nigel Barker: And my job is as a storyteller.

00:16:13.349 --> 00:16:15.409
Nigel Barker: So what's the story I'm wanting to tell?

00:16:15.409 --> 00:16:16.469
Nigel Barker: How am I going to tell it?

00:16:16.949 --> 00:16:18.949
Nigel Barker: And what's the story that they want to tell?

00:16:18.949 --> 00:16:19.989
Nigel Barker: How does that all marry?

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Jill Rappaport: Well, besides your incredible accomplishments and your talent, what I was drawn to is your love of animals.

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Nigel Barker: My name is Barker, for goodness sakes.

00:16:27.929 --> 00:16:33.549
Jill Rappaport: So either Barker like the dog or Bob Barker, right?

00:16:33.549 --> 00:16:34.289
Nigel Barker: Maybe both.

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Jill Rappaport: Yeah.

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Jill Rappaport: Tell us about that.

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Jill Rappaport: When that began and why animals, dogs, horses, and you worked so closely and passionately with this wonderful campaign that I've been involved with, Seen Through Horses, why they resonate in your heart so much.

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Nigel Barker: I grew up in a family of animal lovers.

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Nigel Barker: I mean, literally, I grew up with, at one point, I think we had over 15, 16 dogs in our house.

00:16:58.509 --> 00:17:06.249
Nigel Barker: My parents, my mother specifically, my grandmother used to bring in this about every stray they would find in the streets of London and give them a help.

00:17:06.249 --> 00:17:10.809
Nigel Barker: So we had a cacophony of crazy animals in our house, which we used to love.

00:17:10.809 --> 00:17:13.549
Nigel Barker: Most of them would live under this big staircase.

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Nigel Barker: I came from a privileged background.

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Nigel Barker: My father was a financial consultant and my mother had been a model in her day and what have you, and we have this big townhouse in central London, a big five-story affair, a big grand house, but my parents turned it into like an animal house.

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Nigel Barker: They literally, and underneath this huge grand stairwell, all these dogs would sleep and I would often just go down there and like sort of mildly sleep with the dogs because we had big Rhodesian ridge backs, we had boxes.

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Jill Rappaport: Were they rescues back then?

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Nigel Barker: Rescues, yeah, rescues and big dogs that people didn't want, and half breed dogs and all that kind of stuff back then.

00:17:48.409 --> 00:17:49.869
Nigel Barker: It was a bit different.

00:17:49.869 --> 00:17:51.389
Nigel Barker: As a kid, I didn't know what I was dealing with.

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Nigel Barker: I just was like, oh, this is all fun and games, and I used to love trying to take as many of the dogs out on a walk as I could at one time, and sort of being drug around Hyde Park by these massive animals.

00:18:02.229 --> 00:18:03.549
Nigel Barker: But I grew up with that.

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Nigel Barker: We also had budgerigars, parrots, rabbits, gerbils, cats.

00:18:08.889 --> 00:18:12.029
Nigel Barker: And these animals, as we know, lived for a lot, many can live for some time.

00:18:12.029 --> 00:18:19.209
Nigel Barker: So we had a cat, Miss Otis, who lived for 24 years, and so she was with me my entire life, and things like that.

00:18:19.329 --> 00:18:22.029
Nigel Barker: So you kind of grow up with that sort of sensitivity.

00:18:22.029 --> 00:18:25.369
Nigel Barker: In fact, this is something that not that many people actually know.

00:18:25.369 --> 00:18:34.229
Nigel Barker: People that are aware of the fact that I had really at one point sort of looked like I was going to go to medical school, and I had applied to medical school, and that was where my direction was.

00:18:34.229 --> 00:18:39.929
Nigel Barker: But yeah, I got in and did all that, but I did, but I ended dropping out because I started modeling and my life took a complete different turn.

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Nigel Barker: Basically, before that happened, what I'd actually wanted to do was zoology, and I had always loved Sir David Attenborough, and I had been a huge fan of him and his life and his life's work.

00:18:53.189 --> 00:18:55.629
Nigel Barker: And really, I just wanted to be him.

00:18:55.629 --> 00:18:59.489
Nigel Barker: And if there was anyone else I probably could be in my life, it would be to be Sir David Attenborough.

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Nigel Barker: And so, just all his shows that he created, Survival, planet Earth, all those things, were just so extraordinary.

00:19:06.269 --> 00:19:09.729
Nigel Barker: But I remember telling my father and he was like, I'm going to have you become a zoologist.

00:19:09.729 --> 00:19:13.369
Nigel Barker: You're going to become a zookeeper, work in the zoo and just feed the elephants or something.

00:19:13.369 --> 00:19:17.329
Nigel Barker: And that's not a job for a young man who's had a very expensive education.

00:19:19.429 --> 00:19:20.869
Nigel Barker: So I was convinced that I should do medicine.

00:19:20.869 --> 00:19:23.009
Nigel Barker: And I wasn't really smart enough to become a vet.

00:19:23.009 --> 00:19:24.429
Nigel Barker: It was even harder to become a vet.

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Jill Rappaport: That was my dream too, Nigel, and I was terrible at math.

00:19:27.529 --> 00:19:28.809
Nigel Barker: So I was really good at math.

00:19:28.809 --> 00:19:30.409
Nigel Barker: You have to be really good at math.

00:19:30.409 --> 00:19:31.649
Nigel Barker: It's like the best of the best.

00:19:31.649 --> 00:19:34.669
Nigel Barker: Our best people out there work on animals, by the way, everyone.

00:19:34.669 --> 00:19:39.429
Nigel Barker: So our animals are very lucky in many ways, but I guess there's far more anatomies to learn.

00:19:39.429 --> 00:19:41.769
Nigel Barker: So anyway, then my career took a different shift.

00:19:41.769 --> 00:19:46.409
Nigel Barker: And I've spent time working as an ambassador with the Humane Society.

00:19:46.969 --> 00:19:53.709
Nigel Barker: I've done documentaries on the seal hunt, and I've also done work with Save the Sharks.

00:19:53.709 --> 00:19:57.009
Nigel Barker: So the arch enemy of the seal is the shark.

00:19:57.009 --> 00:19:58.489
Nigel Barker: So I don't pick sides.

00:19:58.489 --> 00:20:03.629
Nigel Barker: I'm about animals regardless of their veracity or whether they like one another or not.

00:20:03.629 --> 00:20:07.149
Nigel Barker: It's about doing the right thing and being humane and caring.

00:20:07.149 --> 00:20:10.029
Nigel Barker: And just in general, that's my life ethos, to be honest.

00:20:10.029 --> 00:20:13.009
Nigel Barker: It doesn't really matter whether it's animals or humans, actually, for me.

00:20:13.009 --> 00:20:16.569
Nigel Barker: It's about being caring and being understanding and being a good person.

00:20:16.569 --> 00:20:18.849
Nigel Barker: It's what's the right thing to do?

00:20:18.849 --> 00:20:20.729
Nigel Barker: And why would we harm an animal?

00:20:20.729 --> 00:20:22.309
Nigel Barker: Why would we treat them poorly?

00:20:22.309 --> 00:20:24.569
Nigel Barker: Likewise, why would we do that to a human?

00:20:24.569 --> 00:20:30.209
Jill Rappaport: Well, it's amazing because what's going on in the world of adoption or rescue, it's the worst it's been in decades.

00:20:30.209 --> 00:20:35.149
Jill Rappaport: And I go to my local shelter every week and I've been featuring the underdogs of the shelter world.

00:20:35.149 --> 00:20:40.749
Jill Rappaport: I've gotten 14 out of the 18 in my campaign at home, but it's truly heartbreaking.

00:20:40.749 --> 00:20:45.069
Jill Rappaport: And I know for someone like you, animals, they can't talk.

00:20:45.469 --> 00:20:49.309
Jill Rappaport: We are their voice and they need us to save them, protect them.

00:20:49.309 --> 00:20:52.969
Jill Rappaport: And thank goodness for a person of your stature doing what you're doing.

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Jill Rappaport: Tell me about the animals that you have in your life right now and what they mean to you.

00:20:57.729 --> 00:20:59.589
Nigel Barker: Well, we have a few right now.

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Nigel Barker: We have a dog called Memphis who was rescued from a puppy farm and he's from Tennessee.

00:21:04.749 --> 00:21:07.729
Nigel Barker: So his name is Memphis and he's a funny old fellow.

00:21:08.069 --> 00:21:15.129
Nigel Barker: He's got two broken front legs with the shutout titanium and he had a broken back and he's all fixed up and he's the fastest thing you'll ever see.

00:21:15.129 --> 00:21:19.589
Nigel Barker: But when he goes to lie down, he looks like he's already been knocked over by a car.

00:21:19.589 --> 00:21:24.329
Nigel Barker: The poor little thing is his old body is all twisted, but he's the most sweetest little soul you've ever seen.

00:21:24.329 --> 00:21:29.029
Nigel Barker: And he's mended himself so well that you literally would have no idea.

00:21:29.029 --> 00:21:31.349
Nigel Barker: And he's got the most incredible nose on him you've ever seen.

00:21:31.349 --> 00:21:39.789
Nigel Barker: He could have been a sniffer dog and he had another life because he could literally find anything and see it in pitch black, no matter how far away you throw it.

00:21:39.789 --> 00:21:44.149
Nigel Barker: And he knows one ball from another if there's a thousand similar balls.

00:21:44.149 --> 00:21:45.469
Nigel Barker: He got the nose for it.

00:21:45.469 --> 00:21:48.569
Nigel Barker: We have a cat called Stella who is also a rescue.

00:21:48.569 --> 00:21:58.449
Nigel Barker: And a friend of mine who's a big rescue animal advocate called Loretta Stadler, found this cat for us and it was really for my daughter who wanted a kitten.

00:21:58.449 --> 00:22:00.129
Nigel Barker: And so she found us a rescue.

00:22:00.129 --> 00:22:05.409
Nigel Barker: And so we have Stella and we have Rocky, who's a Cuban rock iguana as well.

00:22:05.409 --> 00:22:08.109
Nigel Barker: He's now sort of four foot giant.

00:22:08.109 --> 00:22:08.869
Jill Rappaport: Wow.

00:22:08.869 --> 00:22:11.409
Jill Rappaport: And also your love of horses, Nigel.

00:22:11.429 --> 00:22:12.249
Nigel Barker: I love all animals.

00:22:12.249 --> 00:22:15.389
Nigel Barker: And luckily enough, I get to work with horses once in a while.

00:22:15.389 --> 00:22:17.249
Nigel Barker: They're such a beautiful regal animal.

00:22:17.249 --> 00:22:20.109
Nigel Barker: And obviously they are somewhat domesticated.

00:22:20.109 --> 00:22:22.549
Nigel Barker: So they come across our fashion perspective.

00:22:22.549 --> 00:22:25.409
Nigel Barker: We get to utilize them as beautiful animals.

00:22:25.409 --> 00:22:33.469
Nigel Barker: And I got to shoot for Art Bodega magazine in Wellington just recently and went down there to photograph all these riders with their incredible horses.

00:22:33.469 --> 00:22:35.549
Nigel Barker: And they were very beautiful.

00:22:35.549 --> 00:22:37.909
Nigel Barker: I mean, they're such an elegant and incredible animal.

00:22:37.909 --> 00:22:44.549
Nigel Barker: I've also photographed them with one of my other favorite subjects, which is my wife and my sister-in-law, which we call the Chin Twins on Instagram.

00:22:44.549 --> 00:22:49.149
Nigel Barker: We've shot many times with horses, bareback riding and also just doing yoga with horses.

00:22:49.149 --> 00:22:52.069
Nigel Barker: And they're sort of yoga experts, yoga and dances.

00:22:52.069 --> 00:22:59.549
Nigel Barker: And there's something about a horse, which they're such an incredibly powerful animal, yet they're such a humble animal at the same time.

00:22:59.869 --> 00:23:02.349
Nigel Barker: And they have the grace, yet total power.

00:23:02.349 --> 00:23:05.709
Nigel Barker: So those things, those juxtapositions make them very special.

00:23:05.709 --> 00:23:10.149
Nigel Barker: And they can be obviously flighty, but they can also be rock steady.

00:23:10.149 --> 00:23:17.829
Nigel Barker: So there's all these different personalities to them that are amazing and appear somewhat human like in their personality traits.

00:23:17.829 --> 00:23:21.049
Nigel Barker: I think that also helps us see ourselves in them.

00:23:21.049 --> 00:23:30.709
Jill Rappaport: Well, you know, Nigel, you're so creative and I would be a fool not to take this opportunity to pitch this idea to you, but we should do a show about animals and rescue.

00:23:30.709 --> 00:23:33.229
Jill Rappaport: I have a great idea called Mutt Makeover.

00:23:33.229 --> 00:23:34.709
Nigel Barker: There you go.

00:23:34.709 --> 00:23:35.689
Nigel Barker: Let me know.

00:23:35.689 --> 00:23:45.409
Nigel Barker: On Mutt Makeover, I was emission at one point by the ASPCA to do a campaign for them on similar to what you were talking about to help dogs get adopted.

00:23:45.409 --> 00:23:54.369
Nigel Barker: The campaign that we came up with was that at the time, pretty much all dogs with the ASPCA were being photographed in their kennels, but they were always behind bars.

00:23:54.369 --> 00:24:03.549
Nigel Barker: When I first looked at all the animals, and this was over a decade ago too, they showed me all the pictures, and I'm like, well, we want to do a campaign to help these animals get adopted.

00:24:03.549 --> 00:24:04.089
Nigel Barker: What would you like?

00:24:04.089 --> 00:24:05.169
Nigel Barker: Would you do something with us?

00:24:05.169 --> 00:24:08.609
Nigel Barker: They knew I was working with the Humane Society, and I said, sure, let me have a look.

00:24:08.609 --> 00:24:13.469
Nigel Barker: And the first thing I say is this, is that they look like a bunch of criminals behind bars.

00:24:13.469 --> 00:24:17.029
Nigel Barker: Like the only time you see anyone behind bars is if they've been arrested.

00:24:17.029 --> 00:24:24.809
Nigel Barker: So if you're going to put a thuggish pit bulldog behind bars, with like sort of looking like a bit forlorn, it doesn't look very appealing.

00:24:25.309 --> 00:24:34.389
Nigel Barker: So what we need to do is take them from around the bars, put them in front of the bars or take them outside, play with them, let them be a dog, and then take their photograph.

00:24:34.389 --> 00:24:36.129
Nigel Barker: And then we'll see what happens.

00:24:36.129 --> 00:24:37.249
Jill Rappaport: That's my concept.

00:24:37.249 --> 00:24:51.969
Jill Rappaport: I started this on the Today Show with Bow to Wow, but I went to the shelters and these animals who have been sitting there, some so sadly for months and years, you give them a makeover, you groom them, you make them over, and you bring them out.

00:24:51.969 --> 00:25:03.089
Jill Rappaport: And I had a 100% adoption record, but I think there's a way we could do it now, these extreme makeovers, and then also we would be the matchmakers, then we would find the perfect match.

00:25:03.089 --> 00:25:04.929
Jill Rappaport: Aren't those great ideas, Nigel?

00:25:04.929 --> 00:25:07.169
Nigel Barker: It's a great idea.

00:25:07.189 --> 00:25:07.789
Jill Rappaport: Oh, see?

00:25:07.789 --> 00:25:09.989
Jill Rappaport: I'm telling you, I'm going to be talking to you about this.

00:25:10.029 --> 00:25:10.709
Nigel Barker: Please do.

00:25:10.709 --> 00:25:12.729
Nigel Barker: I've got people call my people.

00:25:12.729 --> 00:25:15.929
Jill Rappaport: Believe me, my dogs will call your dogs.

00:25:15.969 --> 00:25:17.489
Nigel Barker: I'll look out for the how.

00:25:17.489 --> 00:25:32.609
Jill Rappaport: And by the way, the reason I'm so passionate about this, any form of entertainment, I always say with Rescue and Adoption, you've got to give the light always at the end of the tunnel and you want to make it a happy entertaining show while at the same time saving lives.

00:25:32.609 --> 00:25:35.589
Jill Rappaport: And we need these ideas now more than ever.

00:25:35.589 --> 00:25:37.289
Nigel Barker: Good to agree more.

00:25:37.289 --> 00:25:51.449
Nigel Barker: My same mission with Humane Society, when I created the documentary on the seal hunt, all previous films had been about the actual killing of the seals, which is very brutal and graphic, and no one can really stomach it, even the people who work there.

00:25:51.709 --> 00:25:53.529
Nigel Barker: So I'm like, well, this is not really a campaign then.

00:25:53.529 --> 00:25:56.009
Nigel Barker: If no one's going to look at it, see it, no one really wants to hear about it.

00:25:56.009 --> 00:25:58.189
Nigel Barker: Everyone knows it's bad and wrong.

00:25:58.189 --> 00:25:59.369
Nigel Barker: So that's not going to work.

00:25:59.369 --> 00:26:12.429
Nigel Barker: What we have to do is do a celebration of the animal, talk about its life, talk about the birth of the animal and incredible migrations they make across the ice, and what the ice looks like, and make them fall in love with this animal all over again.

00:26:12.429 --> 00:26:13.209
Jill Rappaport: That's right.

00:26:13.209 --> 00:26:15.329
Nigel Barker: And we restart the relationship.

00:26:15.329 --> 00:26:17.949
Nigel Barker: And at that point, you will need to tell them not to kill it.

00:26:17.949 --> 00:26:19.589
Nigel Barker: They're not going to want to kill it because they love it.

00:26:19.589 --> 00:26:21.209
Nigel Barker: And so if you love something, you're not going to kill it.

00:26:21.369 --> 00:26:27.229
Nigel Barker: But if you don't really know something because you're scared to even think about it, then perhaps it's easier to be out of sight, out of mind.

00:26:27.229 --> 00:26:30.249
Nigel Barker: And so we have to reprogram what we're thinking and how we do it.

00:26:30.249 --> 00:26:31.709
Jill Rappaport: And especially with horses.

00:26:31.709 --> 00:26:37.069
Jill Rappaport: I have wanted to do a documentary for years about the horrific side of horse racing.

00:26:37.069 --> 00:26:45.709
Jill Rappaport: I wanted to call it in a race for their lives because you know what's happening with these race horses and how many are being put down at two, three years old.

00:26:45.709 --> 00:26:51.969
Jill Rappaport: And I did a story on it where 65 horses were living off rainwater and wood for survival.

00:26:51.969 --> 00:26:55.669
Jill Rappaport: And they were literally discarded because they had no more use on the track.

00:26:55.669 --> 00:26:59.749
Jill Rappaport: So they were thrown into a farm upstate and many didn't make it.

00:26:59.749 --> 00:27:02.509
Jill Rappaport: So this is my goal, my dream.

00:27:02.509 --> 00:27:04.189
Jill Rappaport: I mean, we have to be able to educate people.

00:27:04.189 --> 00:27:09.389
Jill Rappaport: We have to be able to make a difference, but you don't want to freak people out and depress them, just like what you're saying.

00:27:09.409 --> 00:27:10.409
Jill Rappaport: There's a way to do it.

00:27:10.409 --> 00:27:15.189
Jill Rappaport: You take them in the back door and you end up walking out the front.

00:27:15.189 --> 00:27:29.449
Jill Rappaport: And when I not only read about all your philanthropic work, but your charitable organizations that you work with, everything you do to help and give back on top of your incredible career, I said, I got to get this guy on my show immediately.

00:27:29.449 --> 00:27:31.229
Jill Rappaport: You're truly amazing, Nigel.

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Jill Rappaport: I don't even know how you had time to do this today.

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Jill Rappaport: I'm so happy you're here.

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Jill Rappaport: Cannot thank you enough for being on Rappaport to the Rescue.

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Nigel Barker: Thank you.

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Nigel Barker: It's been a pleasure.

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Nigel Barker: And I look forward to seeing you again soon.

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Jill Rappaport: And believe me, I will be reaching out to your people.

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Jill Rappaport: I don't have people.

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Jill Rappaport: It will be me.

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Nigel Barker: I look forward to it.

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Nigel Barker: Okay.

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Jill Rappaport: Thank you, Nigel.

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Jill Rappaport: Good luck with everything.

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Nigel Barker: Will the best.

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Nigel Barker: Take care.

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Jill Rappaport: And thanks to all of you for tuning in today to Rappaport to the Rescue.

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