Rappaport To The Rescue

What a thrilling conversation with one of the film world’s most creative and admired directors, producers, and writers, Doug Liman!  Who also happens to be one of the biggest animal lovers you’ll ever meet!

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BIO:

Douglas Eric Liman is an American filmmaker and producer who directed Swingers, The Bourne Identity, Chaos Walking, Jumper, Go, Mr. & Mrs. Smith, Fair Game, Locked Down, Edge of Tomorrow, The Wall, American Made, Roadhouse and The Instigators. He executive produced the Bourne sequels except The Bourne Legacy, The Phantom and The Killing Floor.

Transcript:

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Announcer: This is Pet Life Radio.

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<v SPEAKER_3>Let's talk pets.

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<v SPEAKER_3>Rappaport To The Rescue, with award-winning animal advocate, best-selling author, journalist, and pet products creator, Jill Rappaport.

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Jill Rappaport: Hi, welcome to Rappaport To The Rescue.

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Jill Rappaport: I'm Jill Rappaport.

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Jill Rappaport: Now, if you've been following and listening to my podcast, and I sure hope you have, you know that I've had some pretty incredible guests on this show, A-lists for sure.

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Jill Rappaport: Actors, musicians, supermodels, national talk show hosts, network news correspondents, and newsmakers.

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Jill Rappaport: All with one thing in common.

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Jill Rappaport: They are true megastars in front of the camera.

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Jill Rappaport: Well, my guest today is a superstar behind the lens.

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Jill Rappaport: Doug Liman is one of the most revered and respected directors and producers in the business today.

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Jill Rappaport: He is the man responsible for such blockbuster hits like Swingers, Go, The Bourne Identity, Mr.

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Jill Rappaport: and Mrs.

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Jill Rappaport: Smith, Jumper, Edge of Tomorrow, and American Maid.

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Jill Rappaport: And Liman's latest film is the remake of the 1989 cult classic Roadhouse, which was just released on Amazon Prime Video and starring Jake Gyllenhaal, all bucked up for that one.

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Jill Rappaport: But what you may not know about this incredibly gifted filmmaker is that he is also obsessed and absolutely adores animals.

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Jill Rappaport: Of course, that's why he's on the show, right?

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Jill Rappaport: And that's why I couldn't wait to get him on the show.

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Jill Rappaport: His animals have always been and are truly children to him.

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Jill Rappaport: Everything from dogs to goats.

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Jill Rappaport: Can't wait to hear about that pet.

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Jill Rappaport: So when we come back, award-winning director and producer, Doug Liman on Rappaport To The Rescue.

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Jill Rappaport: Welcome back to Rappaport To The Rescue.

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Jill Rappaport: I'm Jill Rappaport.

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Jill Rappaport: My guest today, Director, Producer, Doug Liman, who has had hit after hit on the big screen with beloved and powerhouse films like Swingers, The Bourne Identity, Fair Game, Mr.

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Jill Rappaport: and Mrs.

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Jill Rappaport: Smith, and his newly released Roadhouse, just to name a few.

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Jill Rappaport: And on the small screen, Liman has also produced ratings gold with the OC, Covert Affairs and Suits.

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Jill Rappaport: He is also the recipient of several coveted awards for his film making.

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Jill Rappaport: I am thrilled to have Doug here with me today, not only for his talent, but especially for his love of everything on four legs.

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Jill Rappaport: This guy is crazy about animals, so I'm crazy about you, Doug.

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Jill Rappaport: Welcome to Rappaport To The Rescue.

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Doug Liman: Thank you.

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Doug Liman: Yeah, I know.

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Doug Liman: It doesn't go over well in my relationships, but my screen saver on my phone is my beloved goat, Ruby.

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Jill Rappaport: Oh, you know what?

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Jill Rappaport: And I was reading about Ruby, seeing the pictures, watching her walk around with a leash.

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Jill Rappaport: Those stories are legendary.

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Jill Rappaport: Tell us about your goat, Ruby.

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Doug Liman: I have a small farm in Martha's Vineyard because I love animals.

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Doug Liman: And, you know, like a farm is like, is really the best way to just have animals and have, you know, maybe something beyond just having a dog.

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Doug Liman: So I'll try to tame almost any animal.

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Doug Liman: A raccoon got into my chicken coop and I caught it and have a heart trap and spent a little time trying to tame the raccoon unsuccessfully.

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Doug Liman: I adopted a troubled goat that wasn't getting along with other goats.

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Doug Liman: And so I took her in Ruby.

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Doug Liman: And we have no idea how old she is, but she's definitely older than probably, she's way beyond how long goats are supposed to live for sure.

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Jill Rappaport: And your neighbors all know her and some love her and others.

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Doug Liman: She's been hard to contain, you know, so she likes to go down to the beach.

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Doug Liman: And some people love seeing this, you know, a wild farm at the beach.

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Doug Liman: And you know, she's a little rambunctious.

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Doug Liman: I mean, she loves men and she's a little mean to women and children.

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Jill Rappaport: Well, you know, I loved hearing stories about your animals and the way we know each other is because of one of your relatives, who's one of my dear friends, the one and only beloved Joan Hamburg, the first lady of New York radio.

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Jill Rappaport: So unbelievable.

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Jill Rappaport: And she used to talk about Doug and the animals.

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Jill Rappaport: And then I knew how successful you were and I thought, oh, wow, he's quite the catch.

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Doug Liman: I had trouble containing the animals there.

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Doug Liman: You know, sometimes the goat and the pigs would just tape off down the road, and I'm off making movies, so I'd get a call from either the police in Shellmark or from a neighbor being like, your pigs and your goat are here, and they're two miles down the road from your house.

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Doug Liman: And you have to try to convince someone to help try to get them, because I'm not there to recover them.

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Jill Rappaport: And I know your love of dogs.

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Jill Rappaport: And I believe one of your pets, when he passed, you actually gave a funeral for that dog, an official funeral.

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Doug Liman: You're acting like that's unusual.

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Jill Rappaport: I think it's norm.

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Jill Rappaport: I'm asking, you did it, right?

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Doug Liman: Having a farm, you learn some expressions that we sort of take for granted.

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Doug Liman: You sort of learn where they come from, like, you know, don't hog, you know, is a, you know, expression we use all the time, like don't hog the computer, don't hog it.

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Doug Liman: But like when you actually have pigs and you put food out, you realize where the term hogging comes from.

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Doug Liman: I have sheep and you understand where the word sheepish comes from.

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Doug Liman: And during my dog's funeral, I did learn where the sort of nail in the coffin comes from.

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Jill Rappaport: Well, I know how much that dog meant to you.

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Jill Rappaport: Wasn't this the dog that I believe many, many years ago might have been even in the year 2000, ran away and you offered a reward and also whoever would return the dog would get a role in the born identity?

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Jill Rappaport: Is that a true story?

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Doug Liman: That is, I still have the wanted flyers.

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Doug Liman: It's like one of my souvenirs that I keep up my part.

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Doug Liman: But turns out he didn't run away.

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Doug Liman: We thought he'd run away.

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Doug Liman: Turns out he'd been kidnapped and kidnapped for three and a half year.

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Jill Rappaport: Oh, my goodness, this is unbelievable.

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Doug Liman: While I was making the TV show of the OC, I got a ransom call.

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Jill Rappaport: Are you kidding me?

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Jill Rappaport: This is unbelievable.

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Doug Liman: And they said, if I gave them $10,000, you know, I'd get the dog back, otherwise I'd never see the dog again.

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Doug Liman: And they didn't have a lot of answers.

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Doug Liman: And my brother was a federal prosecutor at the time, and he had just prosecuted an extortion case.

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Doug Liman: He said, look, you're Bill Cosby extortion case.

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Doug Liman: And he was like, this is extortion.

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Doug Liman: They don't have your dog.

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Doug Liman: They're just preying on you.

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Doug Liman: Because every year I put these flyers out again, because thinking like, you know, miracles happen.

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Doug Liman: Like I thought, like I lost them in Washington, DC.

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Doug Liman: I live in New York.

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Doug Liman: I thought, well, maybe he's crossing New Jersey, and maybe that takes a year, and he'll show up.

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Doug Liman: You hear the stories every once in a while, for three and a half years.

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Doug Liman: And my brother was like, they don't have your dog.

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Doug Liman: There's no way.

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Doug Liman: And I finally was like, you know what?

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Doug Liman: For $10,000, I have to know.

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Doug Liman: I can't go the rest of my life not knowing.

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Doug Liman: So then my brother said, fine, if you're really gonna go through with this, let me make a few phone calls.

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Doug Liman: You know, because my brother worked in law enforcement.

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Doug Liman: And the FBI actually did a sting operation.

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Doug Liman: And it turns out they had my dog when we got him back.

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Jill Rappaport: Unbelievable.

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Jill Rappaport: And they knew it was Doug Liman's dog when they took it?

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Doug Liman: They didn't know when they took him.

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Doug Liman: It turns out the reason what happened was, it was a fraternity prank.

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Doug Liman: And then when I did all this press to try to get the dog back, part of offering a part of the born identity so that the Washington Post would do a story and, you know, so people would see that.

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Doug Liman: And then if someone saw the dog walking around, they would be like, oh, we know it was dog that does.

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Doug Liman: The problem was, it was a prank by a fraternity.

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Doug Liman: And once they realized this dog is famous, they were like, we're gonna get in trouble.

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Doug Liman: And so they called like a fraternity alum who lived in Ohio.

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Doug Liman: And they said, will you take this dog?

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Doug Liman: Because if we get caught with this dog, like, the fraternity is gonna get kicked off campus.

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Doug Liman: And so ship the dog off to Ohio to live with a family.

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Doug Liman: And then the students, you know, who had originally stolen the dog, after three and a half years had graduated.

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Doug Liman: One of these kids couldn't get a job and thought, well, I could probably trade this dog.

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Doug Liman: So he actually stole the dog back from the family he'd given it to in Ohio, like Jackson.

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Jill Rappaport: This is a movie, Doug.

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Doug Liman: And the thing is, Jackson actually lived to 17 and a half for a big Australian shepherd.

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Doug Liman: So they got the years back with interest.

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Jill Rappaport: Did he recognize you right away?

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Jill Rappaport: How did he look?

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Jill Rappaport: What was the reunion like?

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Doug Liman: It actually was on Good Morning America, the reunion.

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Doug Liman: My girlfriend who also co-owned him, like they had like the tearful, huggy reunion.

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Doug Liman: Eventually, I mean, he became like the love of my life.

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Doug Liman: The dog I'm referred to with the coffin is Jackson.

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Doug Liman: And I've never replaced it.

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Doug Liman: I've never gotten another dog.

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Jill Rappaport: I know.

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Doug Liman: I mean, I know you have like poor dog, but sometimes you just you have a dog that's so special.

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Doug Liman: I have a goat now, but you just can never replace Jackson.

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Jill Rappaport: Unbelievable story.

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Jill Rappaport: And I really do think this is a movie, but that's your area.

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Jill Rappaport: I set up you in the open and then live to you.

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Jill Rappaport: And I mentioned your awards and I know, and I've heard you say this, that you don't even like to hear awards associated with your name.

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Jill Rappaport: Why is that?

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Doug Liman: I like awards.

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Doug Liman: Everyone likes accolades.

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Doug Liman: I like good reviews and awards, but I don't want to chase awards.

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Doug Liman: I'm interested in sort of making movies that are people-pleasing.

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Doug Liman: When I was a kid, I was the class clown.

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Doug Liman: And I don't know if I actually was successfully entertaining my fellow students, but I probably wasn't.

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Doug Liman: But you know, that's my ethos.

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Doug Liman: I think I was still the sort of class clown.

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Doug Liman: And I mean, including these animals in Martha's Vineyard that are constantly running amok.

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Doug Liman: There's a front page story in the Vineyard Gazette a few years ago, you know, goats gone wild, about constantly being loose and the tap wanting to pass a new ordinance about requiring people to keep control of the farm animals.

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Doug Liman: And they never passed, but I was excited to then lobby that there'd be a, that Rumi would be grandfathered out of that.

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Doug Liman: Even though she literally would have been the one animal for which they were creating that law, but they never did.

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Doug Liman: I got her sheep, and so now with the sheep, she doesn't feel so lonely when I'm not there.

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Jill Rappaport: Well, I love that, you know, you're doing it your way.

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Doug Liman: So, class counts don't get awards.

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Doug Liman: They don't get straight A's, by the way.

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Jill Rappaport: Exactly.

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Doug Liman: And they don't get awards.

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Jill Rappaport: But I know that for you, that's the least of it.

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Jill Rappaport: For you, it's making these incredible films about anti-heroes and really making movies that have so much impact, and if the awards come, it's nice, but you don't necessarily want it associated with your name.

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Jill Rappaport: You'd rather be known as a filmmaker first, instead of award-winning filmmaker.

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Doug Liman: Yeah.

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Doug Liman: I just like, when I hear award-winning filmmaker, I'm like, the film is going to be poor.

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Jill Rappaport: And you know, the list of the films you've made, and the stars that you've worked with, from Tom Cruise to Brad Pitt, Angelina Jolie, and I want to talk about that because while you were making Mr.

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Jill Rappaport: and Mrs.

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Jill Rappaport: Smith, perhaps the biggest personal breakup was going on in all of entertainment.

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Jill Rappaport: Everybody was talking about Brangelina and Jennifer, and that was all during this movie.

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Jill Rappaport: I would imagine it helped box office sales, but it also, for you as a creative person, was probably a little irritating.

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Doug Liman: There were challenges just in that, first of all, they were getting so famous, you know, and the affair was making them so famous that like it became harder to film, just to try to keep paparazzi away.

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Doug Liman: And, you know, we would sort of, Brad Pitt would ride a motorcycle to work and we would know he was getting close because we'd hear the helicopters first because there'd be paparazzi and helicopters following him.

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Doug Liman: And probably like one of my like favorite images in my mind from the movie is during the press tour, we were in Santa Monica and there are these two hotels next to each other, Shudders and Casa Del Mar.

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Doug Liman: They're right across the street from each other and we were doing press between both hotels.

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Doug Liman: And we were in Casa Del Mar and then we needed to move, it was with Brad and Angie to Shudders across the street.

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Doug Liman: And there were like a thousand reporters outside the building.

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Doug Liman: I mean, literally it looked like a zombie movie.

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Doug Liman: The number of people out there, they were like, how are we going to get from one hotel to the other?

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Doug Liman: And Brad was very showy with us and he was like, I'll go first and pull some of the crowds so that then Angie could have a more clear path to get across.

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Doug Liman: And I would go across with Angie.

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Doug Liman: Have you ever seen Brad exit the building and suddenly he's just being chased by 1,000 people?

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Doug Liman: And he did successfully pull them away, but my last image of him was heading down Pico Boulevard chased by 1,000 paparazzi.

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Doug Liman: And then Angie and I had a clear route to then just get across.

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Doug Liman: We didn't see him for an hour.

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Jill Rappaport: But I'm sure it also helped with the box office because there was so much curiosity factor after that.

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Jill Rappaport: Everyone wanted to see that chemistry between the two of them, which was red hot in that film, Doug.

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Jill Rappaport: And sadly, they're getting the same attention now for the opposite reason, for their bitter divorce.

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Doug Liman: I salute any relationship in Hollywood.

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Jill Rappaport: But the people you've worked with, and I've heard these celebrities talk about you.

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Jill Rappaport: We talked also about Tom Cruise, Anne Hathaway, Jake Gyllenhaal now.

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Jill Rappaport: When they hear it's a Doug Liman film, two words, I'm in.

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Jill Rappaport: It's unbelievable.

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Jill Rappaport: The people that immediately gravitate towards you and never seem to say no to you.

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Doug Liman: I get said no to you all the time.

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Jill Rappaport: By big stars, Doug, really?

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Doug Liman: I know, but I ask a lot.

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Doug Liman: But no, I mean, I am at a really, really fortunate place in my life where the people really do say yes.

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Doug Liman: And I'm super appreciative of that.

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Doug Liman: I'm shocked and appreciative, and I never ever take it for granted.

00:14:02.955 --> 00:14:06.235
Doug Liman: And I learn a lot from Tom Cruise, who by the way, never takes it for granted.

00:14:06.535 --> 00:14:06.795
Doug Liman: Ever.

00:14:06.795 --> 00:14:11.135
Doug Liman: Like he goes to work every day, like he's got to prove he's a star.

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Jill Rappaport: Yeah.

00:14:11.395 --> 00:14:15.895
Jill Rappaport: The old adage, you're only as good as your last piece and your next piece.

00:14:15.895 --> 00:14:17.435
Jill Rappaport: It's your audition reel.

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Jill Rappaport: It's like everything is new and first and give it 100 percent.

00:14:20.535 --> 00:14:29.835
Jill Rappaport: And I have my own personal story with Tom Cruise where he really was very instrumental in me getting my first job in television in New York.

00:14:29.835 --> 00:14:31.775
Jill Rappaport: And he's a wonderful human being.

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Jill Rappaport: He is such a lovely person.

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Doug Liman: I think he's the most generous human being I've ever met.

00:14:37.195 --> 00:14:38.675
Doug Liman: I don't know if I'm being financially generous.

00:14:38.675 --> 00:14:40.655
Doug Liman: I'm talking about generous of spirit.

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Jill Rappaport: Right.

00:14:41.135 --> 00:14:51.855
Doug Liman: The film business is very competitive and catty and kind of in a way it's clicky like high school and no one's meaner than when they're in high school.

00:14:51.855 --> 00:14:58.655
Doug Liman: And film business has a component of that where people, they don't necessarily root for other people's success.

00:14:58.655 --> 00:15:01.055
Doug Liman: Like Tom Cruise roots for other people's success.

00:15:01.055 --> 00:15:05.535
Doug Liman: I've worked a lot with him when he hears about a film performing really well.

00:15:05.535 --> 00:15:06.895
Doug Liman: There's nothing to do with.

00:15:06.895 --> 00:15:08.495
Doug Liman: He's so happy for those people.

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Jill Rappaport: When Road House came out, you were hoping we all thought it was going to be a major theatrical release.

00:15:16.335 --> 00:15:21.135
Jill Rappaport: And then you found out it was going to Amazon Prime Video.

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Jill Rappaport: You are not happy.

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Doug Liman: No, you know, there's just some movies that are like, that are a party that you want to share together.

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Doug Liman: You know, like a lot of top films.

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Doug Liman: If you have a lot of Tom Cruise films, like Top Gun or something like, I don't know how good Top Gun really is as a movie.

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Doug Liman: If you just sat down or watched it, but when you sit and immutably watch it, it brings people together in a way that only movies can do.

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Doug Liman: And Roadhouse was conceived that way was, you know, my contract says it's a theatrical film, was made for a movie called MGM, that only studio, it's a storied studio by the Bond franchise.

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Doug Liman: They only do theatrical films, but Amazon bought MGM while we're making the movie.

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Doug Liman: And they said, you know, we'll just trust us.

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Doug Liman: We'll do what's right for the movie.

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Doug Liman: And the deal was just going through while I was making the movie.

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Doug Liman: So I was like, yeah, of course, they don't really know what they're doing yet.

00:16:06.315 --> 00:16:08.615
Doug Liman: But if the movie's great, they'll put it in theaters.

00:16:08.615 --> 00:16:12.155
Doug Liman: And if it's not great, you know, then it doesn't deserve to go in theater.

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Jill Rappaport: But it was great.

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Doug Liman: Yeah, the movie should be good if you're gonna put money into putting it into theaters.

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Jill Rappaport: Right.

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Doug Liman: I'm into that.

00:16:17.975 --> 00:16:19.335
Doug Liman: But then here was Amazon.

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Doug Liman: I'm going, you know, it's my highest testing film.

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Doug Liman: And I've had films that have foreign identities, you know, multi-billion dollar franchise.

00:16:26.435 --> 00:16:30.615
Doug Liman: So when it's my highest testing film, like that's not insignificant.

00:16:30.615 --> 00:16:35.035
Doug Liman: And Amazon was like, we're gonna use it to sell ads on Amazon Prime.

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Doug Liman: It's not just that they were gonna stream it, that they're like, it's gonna become a TV movie with advertising.

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Doug Liman: That was like, that is not what we signed up for.

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Doug Liman: And I get that this can generate revenue for you, but it's not right to me.

00:16:46.055 --> 00:16:47.775
Doug Liman: It's not right to the people who are in the movie.

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Doug Liman: You know, I promised Jake Gyllenhaal when we were gonna, you know, when I cast him in the movie, I said, this role will propel you into the next level of startup.

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Jill Rappaport: Yeah, and it also denies Jake an Oscar nomination.

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Doug Liman: I don't think you get that, but he would have been a bona fide box office star, the way that Born Identity did that for Matt Dane, and Mr.

00:17:05.835 --> 00:17:06.255
Doug Liman: and Mrs.

00:17:06.255 --> 00:17:11.815
Doug Liman: Smith did that for Angelina Jolie, and it put her in a different kind of movie than she had been in before.

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Doug Liman: So it was just wrong for everybody involved in the movie, and most of all for the audience.

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Jill Rappaport: Well, I saw it in my bed, surrounded with my dogs, and I was into it.

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Jill Rappaport: I mean, you know, I know it's not quite the same as a theatrical experience, but man, it packed a punch, and I found it to be so entertaining, so wonderful.

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Jill Rappaport: I mean, I couldn't take my eyes off Jake Gyllenhaal's abs.

00:17:35.135 --> 00:17:38.435
Jill Rappaport: I got to be honest, I never saw a physique like that.

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Jill Rappaport: I don't remember him looking like that and broke back my own.

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Doug Liman: No, well, that's the whole film that started because we were Jake and I were having dinner in New York City.

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Doug Liman: It's actually talked about a different movie.

00:17:48.515 --> 00:17:51.515
Doug Liman: But Jake was talking about the way he was talking about his career.

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Doug Liman: I was like, suddenly in my back of my head, I thought I had just read the script for Roadhouse.

00:17:54.815 --> 00:17:57.675
Doug Liman: I was like, forget about the movie we were meeting on.

00:17:57.675 --> 00:17:59.455
Doug Liman: We should talk about Roadhouse.

00:17:59.455 --> 00:18:03.195
Doug Liman: I had seen Jake that summer in Martha's Vineyard with his shirt off at this.

00:18:03.195 --> 00:18:05.035
Doug Liman: We both did the same road race.

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Doug Liman: I had noticed his physique.

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Jill Rappaport: From a filmmaker's standpoint.

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Doug Liman: No, over the summer, I just saw it as like, as I said, I don't have the cross-agent spirit that Tom Cruise has.

00:18:15.015 --> 00:18:18.475
Doug Liman: I'm like, how is he so much better shaped than me?

00:18:18.475 --> 00:18:20.475
Doug Liman: And by the way, like 10 times faster too.

00:18:20.795 --> 00:18:21.995
Doug Liman: Just better in all regards.

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Doug Liman: But I said to him at this dinner, I said, like, I don't want to get meat too, but I saw you with your shirt off this summer, and I think you should take a look at this script roadhouse.

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Doug Liman: Jake's Oscar nominated, I'm sure, anytime someone wants to work with him, they're like, you know, blowing smoke up his ass about what a brilliant actor he is.

00:18:38.235 --> 00:18:40.955
Doug Liman: And I just was like, I don't care about your acting.

00:18:40.955 --> 00:18:42.755
Doug Liman: You're gonna have your shirt off this whole movie.

00:18:42.755 --> 00:18:43.855
Doug Liman: You should read the script.

00:18:43.855 --> 00:18:52.755
Doug Liman: And you guess you said that, you know, sometimes it's a little easier for me to get actors to say, yes, he committed to the movie right there without even reading the script.

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Jill Rappaport: But I understand to keep up that physique.

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Jill Rappaport: He was a bit of a bear, kind of a moody bastard, huh?

00:18:58.795 --> 00:19:00.255
Doug Liman: Well, it's one thing, you know, he's a friend.

00:19:00.255 --> 00:19:02.495
Doug Liman: So you don't see friends that often, right?

00:19:02.495 --> 00:19:06.395
Doug Liman: When you actually start working together, you're together, you know, 14 hours a day.

00:19:06.395 --> 00:19:07.855
Doug Liman: And he was hangry.

00:19:07.855 --> 00:19:14.755
Doug Liman: The work that goes into looking like that, like we all have ripped abs like Jake, they're just underneath a bunch of fat.

00:19:14.755 --> 00:19:17.335
Doug Liman: So you have to starve yourself to reveal them.

00:19:17.635 --> 00:19:19.295
Doug Liman: A lot of stuff that worked out to make them bigger.

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Doug Liman: I mean, so he was ornery to say the word.

00:19:21.835 --> 00:19:22.535
Doug Liman: Ornery.

00:19:22.535 --> 00:19:23.895
Doug Liman: Yeah.

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Jill Rappaport: Well, you had to feed the guy.

00:19:25.655 --> 00:19:28.095
Jill Rappaport: I mean, he had to keep up his energy and his strength.

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Doug Liman: No, he's eating like bland chicken breast, you know, and an exact size piece of it, just enough to keep him alive.

00:19:35.755 --> 00:19:36.255
Jill Rappaport: Wow.

00:19:36.255 --> 00:19:37.295
Doug Liman: But not happy.

00:19:37.295 --> 00:19:42.295
Jill Rappaport: Well, that's good for that movie because man, that helped him pack quite a punch.

00:19:42.295 --> 00:19:45.155
Jill Rappaport: So I would think that all work together for the role.

00:19:45.535 --> 00:19:51.795
Jill Rappaport: But I heard that you never even saw the original 1989 with Patrick Swayze.

00:19:51.795 --> 00:19:54.435
Jill Rappaport: You didn't want to see it until your film was made.

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Doug Liman: Yeah, because Born Identity, there was a TD movie, Born Identity, or My Born Identity.

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Doug Liman: That didn't even know existed until I started Born Identity.

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Doug Liman: And then I started watching, it was with Richard Chankin, and I started watching that Born Identity.

00:20:06.235 --> 00:20:09.895
Doug Liman: And after five minutes, I said, you know, I don't want this in the back of my head at all.

00:20:09.895 --> 00:20:11.795
Doug Liman: I'm just going to, I'm going to make my own.

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Doug Liman: And to this day, I had never seen the original Born Identity TV movie.

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Jill Rappaport: But you did finally see the original Road House.

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Doug Liman: Eventually, after we were done, we were pretty much almost done editing.

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Doug Liman: The Alamo Drafthouse in Brooklyn was showing Road House for like two days.

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Doug Liman: And Joel Silver is my producer on Road House.

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Doug Liman: He produced the original Road House in the 80s.

00:20:32.375 --> 00:20:37.015
Doug Liman: And we took the whole editing room to go see the movie Alamo Drafthouse.

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Jill Rappaport: I imagine the first one felt and looked kind of colorless to you compared to what you have created.

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Doug Liman: Yeah, I know that the original Road House is truly beloved.

00:20:47.755 --> 00:20:51.575
Doug Liman: You know, Joel Silver will be the first to say it's not a good move.

00:20:51.575 --> 00:20:52.875
Doug Liman: He's the one who produced it.

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Doug Liman: But you can argue with the fact that all these years later, it still has an audience and it's somehow in our zeitgeist.

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Doug Liman: And that's the reason I was fighting Amazon on the streaming release is that movies that play in theaters can become part of our zeitgeist.

00:21:08.835 --> 00:21:09.415
Jill Rappaport: That's right.

00:21:09.655 --> 00:21:13.795
Doug Liman: Even movies that don't do well, like the original Roadhouse was a flop in the theaters.

00:21:13.795 --> 00:21:15.415
Doug Liman: But it's part of our zeitgeist.

00:21:15.415 --> 00:21:17.815
Doug Liman: I mean, it's made fun of on Modern Family.

00:21:17.815 --> 00:21:20.595
Doug Liman: There's, you know, and movies that come out on streaming.

00:21:20.595 --> 00:21:25.455
Doug Liman: If I told you to like Amazon's top streaming hits from last year, you've never heard of them.

00:21:25.455 --> 00:21:27.195
Doug Liman: And they're movies that Amazon's proud of.

00:21:27.195 --> 00:21:29.455
Doug Liman: Like they don't necessarily cross over.

00:21:29.455 --> 00:21:31.295
Jill Rappaport: But this one got a lot of buzz.

00:21:31.295 --> 00:21:34.415
Jill Rappaport: First of all, Jake was on a million shows promoting it.

00:21:34.415 --> 00:21:36.595
Jill Rappaport: People wanted to see this one.

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Jill Rappaport: So let me ask you, Doug, having directed the biggest names on the planet in this business, when they do a crappy take, how do you handle that?

00:21:47.055 --> 00:21:50.695
Jill Rappaport: How do you say, oh, maybe we should do it again, or that wasn't your best?

00:21:50.695 --> 00:21:53.615
Jill Rappaport: Do you walk on eggshells, or do you just put it out there?

00:21:53.615 --> 00:21:55.075
Jill Rappaport: Because you've got chutzpah.

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Doug Liman: My cousin, your good friend, John Hamburg, has always sort of told me, you gotta bury a critique between two compliments.

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Jill Rappaport: Right.

00:22:03.015 --> 00:22:07.615
Doug Liman: She calls it some kind of something sandwich, but I just go for the critique.

00:22:07.615 --> 00:22:13.195
Doug Liman: These days, I'll sort of maybe start a movie, tell someone, look, we're all together because we respect each other.

00:22:13.235 --> 00:22:14.455
Doug Liman: I'll tell you that right now.

00:22:14.455 --> 00:22:16.355
Doug Liman: I'm not going to repeat that ever again.

00:22:16.355 --> 00:22:18.975
Doug Liman: Now, anything you hear out of my mouth is just going to be negative.

00:22:18.975 --> 00:22:23.115
Doug Liman: I'm giving you the one compliment at the beginning, and then I'm not going to pop it every time.

00:22:23.115 --> 00:22:31.015
Doug Liman: There was a scene I was doing, a film American made with Tom Cruise, and there was a scene that we're having a lot of trouble with.

00:22:31.015 --> 00:22:34.995
Doug Liman: It turns out there was a problem with the writing of the scene, but you don't know that while you're trying to shoot it.

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Doug Liman: You're like, we would do a take of the scene, and then I'd call cut, and then I would try to say something a little nice, and they'd be like, okay, that was, and then the nice thing, and then go, but let's try this.

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Doug Liman: They have to look winning on screen.

00:22:48.935 --> 00:22:50.195
Doug Liman: You're like a coach, you know?

00:22:50.195 --> 00:22:51.915
Jill Rappaport: Yeah, you don't want to deflate those huge...

00:22:51.915 --> 00:22:55.195
Doug Liman: You don't want to deflate them, because they got to look like movie stars on screen.

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Doug Liman: But after 50 takes, you start running out of a nice thing to say.

00:23:00.235 --> 00:23:08.615
Doug Liman: We did a take and I called Cod and I go, that was, and I'm literally trying to find something positive to say, and I'm struggling.

00:23:08.615 --> 00:23:10.755
Doug Liman: And Tom Cruise goes, terrible?

00:23:10.755 --> 00:23:14.915
Doug Liman: Then I go, yeah, that was terrible, because I knew it was terrible.

00:23:14.915 --> 00:23:16.815
Doug Liman: To be honest, it was awful.

00:23:16.815 --> 00:23:23.175
Doug Liman: And Tom was like, I knew it was awful, what I was doing, and then we just started riffing on how freaking bad he was in that last take.

00:23:23.175 --> 00:23:37.815
Doug Liman: And sort of relishing in it, and I love when you can create a safe space, because Tom creates a safe space for me to take chances and fail, and that's kind of magical when you get that safe space where you can try something, fall flat on your face, and we can just laugh about it.

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Jill Rappaport: Well, you know, you've made amazing movies, and we talked about this in the beginning, about anti-heroes.

00:23:44.255 --> 00:23:54.095
Jill Rappaport: And because you love animals so much, would there ever be a possibility, Doug, like a film, like My Dog Skip, a sweet, loving animal story?

00:23:54.095 --> 00:23:55.875
Jill Rappaport: Are you gonna go for a Cujo?

00:23:56.335 --> 00:23:58.615
Jill Rappaport: Because I could see you doing an animal movie.

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Doug Liman: You know, I call my goat sweet Ruby, but like, my niece is around the corner.

00:24:02.735 --> 00:24:07.475
Doug Liman: If I asked her to come over and tell me what she thinks of Ruby, I think she would be using the word mean.

00:24:07.475 --> 00:24:09.055
Jill Rappaport: So you'd make a Cujo.

00:24:09.055 --> 00:24:17.175
Doug Liman: So my beloved Ruby is an anti-hero to most people who meet her, or just a mean goat, mean old goat.

00:24:17.175 --> 00:24:19.715
Doug Liman: So that's obviously who I'm attracted to as a character.

00:24:19.715 --> 00:24:25.035
Jill Rappaport: I'm gonna stay on you to maybe open up your heart and home to another rescue dog.

00:24:25.035 --> 00:24:32.475
Jill Rappaport: If I find a mean one, mean as a snake, I'm gonna be contacting you, one that's all growling and grizzled.

00:24:32.495 --> 00:24:36.015
Doug Liman: Actually, I'm open to the idea of getting a dog to protect my chickens.

00:24:36.115 --> 00:24:37.475
Jill Rappaport: Oh, yes, very important.

00:24:37.475 --> 00:24:39.055
Doug Liman: We're gonna have to live out there with the chickens.

00:24:39.055 --> 00:24:42.455
Jill Rappaport: But actually, the Australian Shepherd, they're the best.

00:24:42.455 --> 00:24:45.415
Jill Rappaport: They're such great animals for protecting farms.

00:24:45.415 --> 00:24:46.895
Doug Liman: Jackson was an Australian Shepherd.

00:24:46.895 --> 00:24:49.795
Jill Rappaport: Yeah, livestock, they're the best for that.

00:24:49.795 --> 00:24:53.035
Jill Rappaport: Now, I understand you also have a really exciting summer coming up.

00:24:53.095 --> 00:24:56.235
Jill Rappaport: You're going to be working with Matt Damon again and Casey Affleck.

00:24:56.235 --> 00:24:57.435
Doug Liman: Yeah, we finished working.

00:24:57.435 --> 00:24:58.595
Doug Liman: The film's coming out.

00:24:58.595 --> 00:24:59.715
Jill Rappaport: It's coming out then.

00:24:59.715 --> 00:25:02.935
Doug Liman: Coming out, you know, the very beginning of August to comedy.

00:25:02.935 --> 00:25:05.295
Doug Liman: Last time I directed Matt was Board Identity.

00:25:05.595 --> 00:25:06.475
Jill Rappaport: Very different.

00:25:06.475 --> 00:25:09.235
Doug Liman: This is a very different role, but it's a heist film.

00:25:09.235 --> 00:25:10.335
Doug Liman: There's action in it.

00:25:10.335 --> 00:25:12.795
Doug Liman: But Matt and Casey are brilliant together.

00:25:12.795 --> 00:25:16.415
Jill Rappaport: Is this the first time they've been together since Good Will Hunting in the movie?

00:25:16.415 --> 00:25:20.095
Doug Liman: No, like Matt's in Off and Fiber, Casey's also in Off and Fiber.

00:25:20.095 --> 00:25:20.955
Jill Rappaport: Oh, that's right.

00:25:20.955 --> 00:25:21.455
Jill Rappaport: That's right.

00:25:21.575 --> 00:25:26.735
Doug Liman: If you look at their filmographies, there's a lot of overlap, but this is a two-hander.

00:25:27.215 --> 00:25:30.675
Doug Liman: It's not like Matt in a bigger role and Casey in a smaller role.

00:25:30.675 --> 00:25:31.395
Jill Rappaport: They're equal.

00:25:31.395 --> 00:25:32.575
Jill Rappaport: They're all best friends.

00:25:32.575 --> 00:25:34.415
Doug Liman: Exactly equal.

00:25:34.415 --> 00:25:38.935
Doug Liman: Matt and Casey are as salt in the earth, solid and great in beings as exist.

00:25:38.935 --> 00:25:40.275
Doug Liman: People always complimenting movie stars.

00:25:40.275 --> 00:25:42.975
Doug Liman: You wouldn't even know Matt's a movie star.

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Doug Liman: He is just salt in the earth.

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Doug Liman: Casey's as solid as it comes.

00:25:47.155 --> 00:25:48.855
Doug Liman: They're both great fathers.

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Jill Rappaport: He's such a nice guy.

00:25:49.955 --> 00:25:53.315
Jill Rappaport: And I got to interview him for a film called Rounders many years ago.

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Doug Liman: They're just fantastic.

00:25:54.475 --> 00:26:03.915
Doug Liman: But despite all that, once you get them together, and Ben, because Ben was the producer of Ed Affleck, you're like, I'm in someone else's family, and there's insanity.

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Jill Rappaport: But that says a lot about you, because they're three of the biggest names in the business and they've all directed as well.

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Jill Rappaport: And so to put that confidence in you and to be part of this collaboration is wonderful.

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Doug Liman: I like a little dysfunction.

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Doug Liman: I'm amused by the fact that there's things going on in the making in the film that have nothing to do with the Instigators that are just relate to issues they've had going back since they were kids.

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Doug Liman: And it's playing out on rewrites of the script where Casey keeps putting a monologue back in the script that he wants to do and Matt keeps taking it out.

00:26:38.635 --> 00:26:42.235
Doug Liman: And I'm like, this doesn't even have anything to do with Instigators.

00:26:42.235 --> 00:26:44.815
Doug Liman: Whatever is going on here, leave it in the script.

00:26:44.815 --> 00:26:45.715
Doug Liman: Let Casey have it.

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Jill Rappaport: But it must be so gratifying for you to work with these people again, to be with Matt Damon again.

00:26:52.715 --> 00:26:58.335
Jill Rappaport: You know, it speaks volumes about you and your relationships with these people because you seem to work with a lot of these.

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Doug Liman: It was really actually, it was almost emotional that, you know, there's a moment on the set of Instigators where Matt said to me something about the production.

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Doug Liman: Like I spent a lot of time shooting Casey's close up on a scene that really was seen as driven by Casey's character.

00:27:12.635 --> 00:27:20.455
Doug Liman: So I literally spent like four or five hours just on Casey and then it was time to turn around and film Matt's side and Matt said, just so you know, like there's no ego in this for me.

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Doug Liman: Like this is Casey's scene.

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Doug Liman: Like if you get it in five minutes with me, don't feel like you've got to like balance it and shoot me for as long as you shot Casey's.

00:27:28.475 --> 00:27:33.875
Doug Liman: Like movies are like going to war and you got to like, you know, allocate your resources where they're needed.

00:27:33.875 --> 00:27:38.595
Doug Liman: And I totally agree with you having allocated the resources of this scene to Casey.

00:27:38.595 --> 00:27:40.215
Doug Liman: You don't need to allocate anything to me.

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Doug Liman: I thought, wow, he has really grown as an actor at a filmic, like really sees the big picture.

00:27:47.595 --> 00:27:51.295
Doug Liman: And in that moment, I was thinking, I've probably grown too.

00:27:51.295 --> 00:27:57.355
Doug Liman: I don't see it, but like, he's probably looking at me and seeing how I've evolved since Born Identity.

00:27:57.355 --> 00:28:08.275
Doug Liman: And that gave me a kind of confidence going in from that point forward on Instigators of just feeling like, you know, I probably have grown because, you know, every movie you start, you sort of start from spread.

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Jill Rappaport: Right.

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Doug Liman: Really build on anything you've done before, because the movies aren't like each other, and you're hiring different crew and different actors.

00:28:16.135 --> 00:28:23.455
Doug Liman: And so until that moment, I hadn't necessarily felt that like I had grown to learn anything over the years of making films.

00:28:23.455 --> 00:28:25.735
Doug Liman: And in that moment, I thought, I probably have.

00:28:25.735 --> 00:28:28.915
Doug Liman: I don't see it, but Matt is probably seeing it in me.

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Jill Rappaport: Well, I'll tell you something, I'm really excited to see this comedy in August.

00:28:32.815 --> 00:28:34.315
Jill Rappaport: This is going to be great.

00:28:34.315 --> 00:28:37.155
Jill Rappaport: What a year you've had both of these huge films.

00:28:37.615 --> 00:28:38.995
Jill Rappaport: And you never take a break.

00:28:38.995 --> 00:28:40.755
Jill Rappaport: You are always on the go.

00:28:40.755 --> 00:28:43.695
Jill Rappaport: And when you're not making films, you're in your plane.

00:28:43.695 --> 00:28:45.535
Jill Rappaport: You're still flying your own plane?

00:28:45.535 --> 00:28:46.355
Doug Liman: I do.

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Jill Rappaport: Unbelievable.

00:28:47.555 --> 00:28:48.655
Jill Rappaport: You are Mr.

00:28:48.655 --> 00:28:49.615
Jill Rappaport: Daredevil.

00:28:49.615 --> 00:28:57.975
Doug Liman: I'm flying my plane on Monday to the Bahamas to go dive at a submersible at 3,000 feet for research for a movie I'm developing.

00:28:57.975 --> 00:28:59.455
Doug Liman: Do they expect this from me?

00:28:59.455 --> 00:29:03.275
Doug Liman: I have a film I'm developing with Tom Cruise where we're going to go to outer space.

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Jill Rappaport: When is that happening?

00:29:04.695 --> 00:29:05.515
Doug Liman: That's in the works.

00:29:05.835 --> 00:29:12.775
Doug Liman: Tom's schedule is super busy, but they don't bat an eyelash when it's like Doug's going to outer space with Tom Cruise.

00:29:12.775 --> 00:29:19.075
Jill Rappaport: I got to take you to a shelter and get you a rescue dog, keep you at home more on ground.

00:29:19.075 --> 00:29:20.055
Jill Rappaport: Keep you at your farm.

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Doug Liman: I'm pretty grounded.

00:29:21.035 --> 00:29:21.755
Doug Liman: I have a farm.

00:29:21.755 --> 00:29:30.115
Doug Liman: I'm talking to you and two feet under me are my seedlings that are getting ready for summer and girl lights under the desk.

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Jill Rappaport: Well, you're certainly diversified and the question on every woman's mind is why aren't you married?

00:29:37.075 --> 00:29:38.475
Jill Rappaport: Is that next for you?

00:29:38.475 --> 00:29:39.875
Jill Rappaport: Your next big move?

00:29:39.875 --> 00:29:42.295
Jill Rappaport: That's probably your most frightening move, right?

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Doug Liman: I mean, marriage is a conventional thing to do and you're not conventional.

00:29:47.695 --> 00:29:53.175
Doug Liman: The best thing to come out of this space film is an optimum challenge of like why can't you be more normal?

00:29:53.555 --> 00:29:59.695
Doug Liman: Especially that is something my girlfriend says often and I'm like, I'm going into outer space with Tom Cruise.

00:29:59.695 --> 00:30:03.115
Doug Liman: If you want normal, you got the wrong guy.

00:30:03.115 --> 00:30:08.635
Doug Liman: Which I thought was going to like solve all my relationship problems just to be able to whip that little expression out.

00:30:08.635 --> 00:30:09.035
Jill Rappaport: Exactly.

00:30:09.035 --> 00:30:10.035
Doug Liman: And solve anything.

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Jill Rappaport: Listen, you're preaching to the choir here.

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Jill Rappaport: My nickname is Lord of the Rings.

00:30:13.875 --> 00:30:18.055
Jill Rappaport: I've been engaged and married so many times, so forget it, but I think you're great.

00:30:18.235 --> 00:30:24.915
Jill Rappaport: I love the Road House, and I really, really love that you stood up for your beliefs.

00:30:24.915 --> 00:30:30.875
Jill Rappaport: You know, it was more important for you to speak your mind than ruin your health, and also for the film and the people involved.

00:30:30.875 --> 00:30:34.235
Jill Rappaport: You had to speak your mind, and I give you so much credit for that.

00:30:34.235 --> 00:30:39.355
Jill Rappaport: And what I love most is your love of animals, but I am going to try to get you a rescue dog.

00:30:39.355 --> 00:30:41.075
Jill Rappaport: We're going to have to look for one soon.

00:30:41.075 --> 00:30:42.215
Jill Rappaport: I'll be on the lookout.

00:30:42.215 --> 00:30:48.555
Jill Rappaport: I know just what to look for now, Doug, and I'll be calling you, saying, I found you the perfect mean dog.

00:30:48.555 --> 00:30:51.035
Doug Liman: It needs to protect chickens.

00:30:51.035 --> 00:30:53.195
Jill Rappaport: But thank you so much for taking the time.

00:30:53.195 --> 00:30:54.815
Jill Rappaport: I know how incredibly busy you are.

00:30:54.815 --> 00:30:59.395
Jill Rappaport: And if you're not in outer space or in the ocean, it's great to have you here.

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Jill Rappaport: So we really appreciate it.

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Jill Rappaport: Thank you so much.

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Doug Liman: Thank you.

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Doug Liman: It's so nice talking to you.

00:31:03.775 --> 00:31:05.095
Jill Rappaport: So nice talking to you.

00:31:05.095 --> 00:31:09.895
Jill Rappaport: And remember, just like Doug, please open up your hearts and homes to an animal in need.

00:31:09.895 --> 00:31:13.015
Jill Rappaport: I promise it will be the best gift to give yourself.

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Jill Rappaport: Thanks for tuning in today.

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