The Cat that Chased Cadillacs
On this episode, I have the joy of chatting with G. David Stirling about his fascinating and fun series, Black Cat Detective Agency. Find out why you should read this entertaining book that features a pet cat who is actually a detective, solving crimes for the Animal kingdom and sometimes humans too! David shares his writing secrets and gives advice to new writers, as well. Get to know Beckett Buckleberry and his delightful entourage of friends. Laugh at his distinctive "catness". Check it out. There is nothing like it!
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BIO:
G. David Stirling is the author of The Black Cat Detective Agency books, starring Beckett Buckleberry. He lives in the mountains of North Carolina with his wife, near the fictional town of Copper Summit. They have two cats — one black and one gray. They don’t solve mysteries.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I'm your host, Dr.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kathryn Primm, and I'm a small animal veterinarian and crazy cat lover.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So I love having this show to introduce you to fun things that are cat related.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And today, I have with me an author, G.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: David Stirling, and he is the author of the Black Cat Detective series.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And these books have a protagonist that is a cat and are very enjoyable.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So we're gonna talk with him a little bit about how this all came about and learn about this book.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Welcome back to Nine Lives with Dr.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat on Pet Life Radio.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I have with me today G.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: David Stirling, who is the author of the Black Cat Detective Series.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Hi, David.
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G. David Stirling: Hey, Kathryn, thank you so much for having me.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, I'm very excited to have you.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And for those that are not familiar, can you give us a little bit of an overview of the Black Cat Detective Series?
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G. David Stirling: Sure, like you said, the protagonist, the main character is a Black Cat Detective.
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G. David Stirling: And he runs his own little shop from a shed, underneath of a shed behind his owner's house.
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G. David Stirling: And he solves small time crime that animals are involved with.
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G. David Stirling: But in this first book, his owner, William Shaw, is a detective for the Copper Summit Police Department.
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G. David Stirling: And he kind of helps him with this first case.
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G. David Stirling: And then there's books after that.
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G. David Stirling: Right now, there's two books.
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G. David Stirling: The book after this one is called The Cat That Followed Phantoms.
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G. David Stirling: And then there'll be a third one out this spring.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Okay, so the first one is The Cat That Chased Cadillacs.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So he is Beckett Buckleberry.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And he's really compelling.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And I love that I can tell when I'm reading it that you have cats and that you know cats and that you pulled that in.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So can you tell us a little bit about how you developed his personality and his voice?
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G. David Stirling: I've been around animals my whole life.
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G. David Stirling: I am a video editor.
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G. David Stirling: That's my career.
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G. David Stirling: And I had been working remotely since COVID.
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G. David Stirling: And I was working for a company that was based out of Australia and our team was in South Africa.
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G. David Stirling: And they rearranged the way that they work.
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G. David Stirling: So I was laid off about a year ago.
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G. David Stirling: And you know, at the time I thought, ah, this is horrible.
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G. David Stirling: But honestly, there's a silver lining in every cloud.
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G. David Stirling: And that silver lining for me happened to be now I had all the time in the world to write.
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G. David Stirling: I freelance on the side.
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G. David Stirling: I do some motion design and editing and shooting.
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G. David Stirling: But now the majority of my month is freed up to write.
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G. David Stirling: So I thought this is a perfect opportunity to start something.
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G. David Stirling: I fostered cats in the past.
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G. David Stirling: And right now we have two cats.
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G. David Stirling: And one of them happens to be Black.
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G. David Stirling: His name is Panther.
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G. David Stirling: And I don't know, out of all the cats I've had, he is the most mischievous and curious.
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G. David Stirling: And he's just a very unique cat with a lot of character and charisma.
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G. David Stirling: And I thought, wow, if there was ever going to be a cat detective, he would probably be a Black cat.
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G. David Stirling: So that got my mind turning.
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G. David Stirling: And I started to write a few chapters, not even knowing where things would go.
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G. David Stirling: And then, as what happens with a lot of creative endeavors, things just kind of click into place.
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G. David Stirling: I thought that I really had something here, so I just, you know, I would spend my days writing and I would try to hit 2,000 words a day.
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G. David Stirling: And sometimes I had more, sometimes I had less.
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G. David Stirling: But in the matter of probably less than two months, I had a book.
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G. David Stirling: And it took some time to edit.
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G. David Stirling: My wife is a very, she understands the English language and grammar very, very well.
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G. David Stirling: I had an editor at first, and then I realized that my wife, she's actually working remotely as well.
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G. David Stirling: So she was right in the room next door.
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G. David Stirling: And so I would bounce things off of her and she would read what I wrote that day.
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G. David Stirling: And before long, I had a finished edited book that I put up on Amazon.
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G. David Stirling: And when I was done with that, I moved right into the next one.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, I love it.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I can hear your voice.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: It speaks to me.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: It's fun.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So when you were writing, did you outline the story and then go back in and put all the little catisms?
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Maybe?
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Like, how did that go?
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G. David Stirling: That's funny.
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G. David Stirling: It kind of comes out all at once because I write from his point of view, so it's his perspective.
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G. David Stirling: So my brain goes into Buck's brain and I write from there.
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G. David Stirling: But I don't outline.
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G. David Stirling: I think with every book that I do, I have certain scenes that I know that I want to include.
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G. David Stirling: So I write those scenes out on index cards and I put them up on the wall.
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G. David Stirling: And I guess as I'm writing, I try to connect those dots.
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G. David Stirling: And it worked very well with the first book.
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G. David Stirling: With the second book, it's a little bit more complicated.
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G. David Stirling: And so I did have a finished book at the end, but the ending didn't land, so to speak.
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G. David Stirling: So I had to go back in and kind of rewrite maybe the last quarter of the book, which was fine, because it made it so much better.
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G. David Stirling: But I say that to say that the way that I write doesn't always work.
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G. David Stirling: And sometimes I have to go back after the whole thing is written and take out parts and rewrite parts and add in little things.
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G. David Stirling: But for the most part, the cat behavior elements of the story are there from the beginning.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, I love it.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So for my listeners, Buck drinks catnip tea.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: He does a lot of little quirky things.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And as a cat lover, we know that cats do have quirky things and I just loved it.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I just loved it.
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G. David Stirling: Oh, that's so great.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: What do you think the biggest challenge?
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Do you think the ending for your stories is the biggest challenge?
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G. David Stirling: The ending is a challenge.
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G. David Stirling: Yes, it always is.
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G. David Stirling: I always have an ending in mind, but the pathway to get there sometimes is never a straight road.
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G. David Stirling: So you do have to go back and re-evaluate how you get to the end.
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G. David Stirling: Another challenge with these books.
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G. David Stirling: Well, I should say that I've published short stories before.
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G. David Stirling: Short stories aren't a problem, but writing a novel, that really does take planning and foresight.
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G. David Stirling: And with these books in particular, because they're told from Buck's point of view, I can't have things happen off camera, so to speak.
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G. David Stirling: Buck's got to be there to witness it.
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G. David Stirling: So there are many points where Buck has to maybe listen to a recording or watch a video of something that has taken place or he overhears a conversation.
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G. David Stirling: He can't be everywhere at once, but it still has to, even though he's a cat telling a story and solving a problem as a detective, it still has to be believable.
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G. David Stirling: So that is the challenge with these books, I think.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I agree.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I mean, obviously, there's a suspension of disbelief in that a cat makes tea and solves mysteries, but you really nailed making it just a little bit believable.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: It makes me want to look at the cat and think, do you have an office?
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G. David Stirling: That I don't know about?
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Yeah.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Yeah, exactly.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: When you sent me the email that you had two cats that do not solve mysteries, I thought, does he know?
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Does he know if they were?
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G. David Stirling: Am I sure about that?
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G. David Stirling: I love crime books, mystery books, and I think that has a lot to do with it, especially older crime from the 50s and 60s, you've got that hard-boiled PI that talks in a very particular way.
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G. David Stirling: His cadence is, that's the way every PI talks in those types of books.
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G. David Stirling: And I love that.
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G. David Stirling: I love reading those novels.
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G. David Stirling: Buck's speech patterns tend to follow the speech patterns of those older detectives, and sometimes my wife, when she's reading, she'll go, Dave, I don't know, this just doesn't, I'm not sure if Buck would talk like this.
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G. David Stirling: And I have to remind her that he's a detective and he does talk like that.
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G. David Stirling: He might not think like that.
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G. David Stirling: And there's times when we get inside Buck's brain, and he's not necessarily speaking, but he's thinking.
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G. David Stirling: And that's when his thoughts are a little bit more eloquent and less private investigator type of a language.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Yeah, my husband and I, he teases me because I'll see things on TV and they'll have a cat saying something or doing something.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And I'll be like, Kat, we never say that.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And he's like, cats don't ever say anything, Catherine.
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G. David Stirling: Well, you know, you're right.
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G. David Stirling: I think cats are so much different from other animals.
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G. David Stirling: And I used to work at an animal hospital when I was smaller.
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G. David Stirling: So your podcast really appealed to me.
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G. David Stirling: I love the way that you dissect cat behavior.
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G. David Stirling: And it's just super interesting to listen to.
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G. David Stirling: Now your show is actually in my playlist.
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G. David Stirling: I'm going to listen to your shows from here on out.
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G. David Stirling: But cat behavior is just so unique.
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G. David Stirling: And I do think if cats could speak, they would speak in a way that other animals might not.
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G. David Stirling: Like dogs are happy to be around you.
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G. David Stirling: Dogs are carefree and happy-go-lucky.
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G. David Stirling: And it almost doesn't matter who they're with.
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G. David Stirling: Dogs love everyone for the most part.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Yeah, don't you think cats are more like sardonic and witty?
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I don't know.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: That seems silly.
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G. David Stirling: No, it's not.
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G. David Stirling: Cats choose you.
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G. David Stirling: Like that's something that my wife says often.
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G. David Stirling: Say you're ready to adopt a cat and you go to a shelter.
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G. David Stirling: Nine times out of ten, a cat's gonna walk up to you and they know that you are their human.
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G. David Stirling: If you're savvy enough to pick up on it, you know, you'll think, you know what?
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G. David Stirling: This is the cat for me.
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G. David Stirling: I wasn't planning on getting an orange cat, but look at the bond that we already have.
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G. David Stirling: Cats choose you.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I agree.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, I'm gonna take a quick break and we're gonna come back because there's a lot of other things that I want to ask you.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So we'll be right back.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So G.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: David Stirling and I are talking about his book series, the Black Cat Detective series.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And of course, the one that I'm currently reading is The Cat That Chased Cadillacs.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And we've been just kind of picking apart his protagonist and what we think about cats.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: But do you have a favorite moment in The Cat That Chased Cadillacs?
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G. David Stirling: There's a few favorite moments.
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G. David Stirling: I love his interaction with Ariella who is his messenger, she's a bird.
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G. David Stirling: But he cannot control his natural instinct to chase and hunt birds.
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G. David Stirling: So whenever they're together, he gives that that chittering that that a cat would do with their mouths whenever they see a bird.
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G. David Stirling: And Ariella is a little bit timid, she's a little bit scared of him, but knows that he won't attack.
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G. David Stirling: And Buck himself knows that he won't attack the bird, but yet he cannot help his feline instinct.
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G. David Stirling: So I always love their interactions.
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G. David Stirling: There's a point in the book where Buck is caught out in a snowstorm.
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G. David Stirling: And though no real harm will ever come to any animals that I have in these books, that's a moment I think where you feel really bad for Buck, because, gosh, if you were caught out in, you know, sub-freezing temperatures in the middle of a large storm, that would be very uncomfortable, to say the least.
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G. David Stirling: And Buck at this point is miles from home, and he's not exactly sure how he's going to get back.
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G. David Stirling: And it's a scary moment.
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G. David Stirling: I like that part.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, I like that his curiosity drives him, because I think that that's the ringing true part, where I'm like, okay, I'm bought in on this.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So we've talked a little bit about how you had a second book.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: But what's next for the Black Cat Detective?
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G. David Stirling: After the second book, there's a, well, let's see, without giving too much away, in the end of the second book, there's discussion of building a theme park in Copper Summit, where all of this stuff takes place.
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G. David Stirling: Copper Summit is a little town in the mountains, which is kind of a tourist resort.
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G. David Stirling: There's some ski areas there.
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G. David Stirling: There's a little town that has shops and restaurants, and it's just a nice place to be.
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G. David Stirling: And it's very reflective of where I live in the northwestern corner of North Carolina.
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G. David Stirling: But there's talk of building a train-themed amusement park.
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G. David Stirling: And so the third book explores that whole aspect of the town.
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G. David Stirling: And I'm actually planning on creating a heist with a bunch of Buck and his friends.
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G. David Stirling: So that's going to be fun.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, that sounds super fun.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So I found on your website that there are some other genres and projects that you kind of want to explore in the future.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So can you just touch on that just a little?
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G. David Stirling: Sure, yeah.
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G. David Stirling: I love writing Buck, but I have to say mystery really is not the first genre that I would choose to write in.
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G. David Stirling: I kind of like more fantastical type of things, not necessarily fantasy, but I've got two series that I will be writing after this.
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G. David Stirling: One is based on a test pilot who consistently tries to break land speed records, and one time when he goes to break this record, something supernatural happens.
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G. David Stirling: So that's one whole series.
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G. David Stirling: And then another series takes place in a town in which Hollywood Monsters exist.
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G. David Stirling: So that one is really what I want to get to.
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G. David Stirling: But I feel like I've got to finish Buck up first.
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G. David Stirling: I've got to finish this other series that I was telling you about first.
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G. David Stirling: And then I just want to devote all of my time to that monster series.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, that sounds fascinating.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So when you're not writing, though, you live in the mountains, you talk about some things that happened there.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: What do you do to unwind?
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G. David Stirling: I write to unwind.
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G. David Stirling: I read a lot and I haven't skied.
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G. David Stirling: But like I said, there's three mountains here that I can ski.
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G. David Stirling: So it's actually snowing right now.
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G. David Stirling: We've got a pretty big storm moving in, which means that the slopes should get a lot of that.
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G. David Stirling: So I don't know, maybe this week I'll end up going skiing.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, be safe.
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G. David Stirling: Yeah, I always am.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So if you could give one piece of advice to aspiring writers, we might have listeners that want to write about their cats or write about anything.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: What would you say?
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G. David Stirling: That's a great question.
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G. David Stirling: I'll tell you what works for me.
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G. David Stirling: And writing advice is different for everyone, but you can't write a book.
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G. David Stirling: You can't write a short story or even a magazine article until something is on the paper.
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G. David Stirling: And that means you have to sit down and you have to write.
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G. David Stirling: And it doesn't matter if no words come for 5, 10, 15 minutes.
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G. David Stirling: It doesn't matter.
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G. David Stirling: You stay in that seat and you write.
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G. David Stirling: And having a word goal sometimes helps.
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G. David Stirling: But I think if you're just beginning an hour, just devote an hour to sitting and writing, that will force you just to put words on the paper because without those words, you can't do anything.
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G. David Stirling: I know one thing that really helps me is I will write to a point where, say it's the middle of a scene, where some action is taking place.
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G. David Stirling: And I know what's going to happen next, and it's exciting, but I stop there for the day because at least that gives me the impetus to get up the next day and finish that scene up.
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G. David Stirling: So there's always a cycle of writing without stopping.
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G. David Stirling: That I think those two things are what I would tell someone who's trying to write.
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G. David Stirling: But more than anything else, sit your butt down and put words on paper, no matter how long it takes.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Just do it, right?
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G. David Stirling: Just do it.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And you give yourself cliffhangers.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I love that.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I never thought about stopping right before an exciting part to make myself go back.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: That's great.
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G. David Stirling: It's exciting for you because if you stop that way, your brain keeps running.
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G. David Stirling: You know, you might not be writing, but your brain is always working.
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G. David Stirling: And so you think of more things and you might even, that might carry you to the next scene or might link a scene that you know happens next.
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G. David Stirling: I don't know.
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G. David Stirling: Your brain is subconscious.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: That's definitely good advice.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, I really appreciate you taking time to talk to us today.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Now, I want to take a moment to tell our listeners how to find you and how to find your books and how to follow what you do.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So, can you share that information with us?
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G. David Stirling: Thank you.
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G. David Stirling: Yeah.
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G. David Stirling: On Amazon, I've got the two Buck books.
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G. David Stirling: The first one is called The Cat That Chased Cadillacs.
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G. David Stirling: And the second one is called The Cat That Followed Phantoms.
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G. David Stirling: And that is a Halloween-themed book.
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G. David Stirling: It's scary, but it's so much fun.
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G. David Stirling: I also have a website.
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G. David Stirling: There's links to the Amazon pages, but there's also a blog where I talk about the writing process and my two cats and a gallery of artwork and eventually some more photos of cats and cat type things.
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G. David Stirling: That website is blackcatdetectiveagency.com.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, I love it.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I am so excited.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I'm happy that I got to meet you, that I got to find this series.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Are you getting feedback?
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: You said that you really like the second book or you felt like people were even liking the second book better than the first?
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: What kind of feedback are you getting?
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G. David Stirling: It's funny.
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G. David Stirling: I had one review where someone said, she really was skeptical of believing in a black cat detective, but before she knew it, she was caught up in the entire story and she ended up reading both books.
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G. David Stirling: So the feedback is, thankfully, it's all positive.
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G. David Stirling: I'm blessed that way.
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G. David Stirling: Reading that, it just makes me want to write even more.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Absolutely.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I've been there.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I know.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I like those good reviews.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Right.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, thank you for your time.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: It was really fun to get to talk to you.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And of course, we always want to thank our amazing producer, Mark Winter.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And don't forget to check out the Black Cat Detective series available at the places that David mentioned.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And until next time, this is Dr.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Catherine Prem.
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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Go out and have a purrfect day.
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