Nine Lives with Dr. Kat

Today we talk with Deborah Cribbs about her a-meow-zing Cat Culture Shift, Give Them Ten.  Her organization is saving healthy cats by promoting spay neuter programs and educating cat lovers everywhere because when we work together, we make a difference. Find out about this exciting initiative and what you can do to help!

Listen to Episode #132 Now:

Scooter the Neutered Cat

BIO:

Scooter the Neutered Cat™ took Greater Cincinnati and the nation by storm in 2013 with an edgy, irreverent and hilarious campaign that encouraged spay/neuter and feline education with the goal of creating a more cat-caring community. Nearly nine years later, Scooter the Neutered Cat’s™ initiatives have been an unequivocal success. The shelter live-release rate (percentage of cats that enter shelters and are released/adopted) was merely 37% for cats in Cincinnati when Scooter™ debuted. Today, that rate is more than 95%.

These tremendous results are thanks to several factors, people and organizations, including the leadership of Deborah Cribbs, a director of the Joanie Bernard Foundation and founder and leader of the Give Them Ten™ Movement — the parent organizations of Scooter the Neutered Cat™. Today, Cribbs considers herself “Scooter’s™ mother” and has committed herself to improving the (nine) lives of cats.

Transcript:

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Hey there, cat lovers, welcome to Nine Lives with Dr.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I'm your host, Dr.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kathryn Primm, and I'm a small animal veterinarian and crazy cat lover.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And today, I have a very special guest.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I want to teach you all about kind of a movement that is happening.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I have Deborah Cribbs with me.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: She's the founder and leader of something called the Give Them Ten Movement.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So here on Nine Lives with Dr.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat, we are happy to give them ten.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So we'll be right back with Deborah after a quick break.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Welcome back to Nine Lives with Dr.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat on Pet Life radio.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: As I explained, I have Deborah Cribbs with me here today from the Give Them Ten movement.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Hi, Deborah.

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Deborah Cribbs: Hi.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So tell me about this.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Where is your inspiration for this?

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: obviously, you love cats, but tell me a little bit about yourself.

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Deborah Cribbs: Oh, well, thanks for asking and thanks for having me here.

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Deborah Cribbs: Well, you already figured out what Give Them Ten means, didn't you?

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Deborah Cribbs: Cats have nine lives, so give them ten.

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Deborah Cribbs: That's where it came from.

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Deborah Cribbs: And we do consider it a movement.

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Deborah Cribbs: My team and I live in the Cincinnati area.

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Deborah Cribbs: We are actually bankers by day, and we manage a sizable foundation for the benefit of cats in our region.

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Deborah Cribbs: And right now, we're working in our region.

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Deborah Cribbs: So we needed a way to talk to the public about cat welfare and this was what we came up with.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So you identified a problem.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Did this problem start something that you noticed in your area, or how did that just come to your attention?

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Deborah Cribbs: Well, as a banker, I was charged with managing this pot of money and making sense out of how to give this much money away in the Cincinnati area for the benefit of cats.

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Deborah Cribbs: So my team and I, because we're business people, we looked at it like a business problem.

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Deborah Cribbs: Okay, yes, we love cats, but understand that this was because we are in charge of a foundation.

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Deborah Cribbs: I run a private foundation.

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Deborah Cribbs: It funds cat benefits, if you will.

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Deborah Cribbs: And we had to figure out a way to make sense of giving this much money away for such a very specific problem.

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Deborah Cribbs: So we looked at it, I would say, with fresh eyes, and what we saw was the problem is that cats are being killed in shelters.

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Deborah Cribbs: And again, this is national, but we're really just talking locally at this point.

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Deborah Cribbs: So we saw that cats were being killed in shelters.

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Deborah Cribbs: Okay, why are cats being killed in shelters?

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Deborah Cribbs: Well, that's a big question with a big answer.

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Deborah Cribbs: But mostly because, let's say, overpopulation and perhaps we could say the culture in shelters at the time.

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Deborah Cribbs: And we've been doing this about a decade.

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Deborah Cribbs: So this is back in around 2013, 2014.

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Deborah Cribbs: So we realized that through a lot of research, that the way to stop cats from being killed in shelters, aside from working with management to teach different methodologies, is through either adoption or spay-neuter.

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Deborah Cribbs: We decided that spay-neuter was going to be what we were going to attack.

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Deborah Cribbs: So locally, we've been involved in building some spay-neuter centers, low-cost, high-volume spay-neuter centers.

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Deborah Cribbs: We help shelters with community cat programs.

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Deborah Cribbs: And we also realized that if we don't talk to the public, then we'll all just keep chasing our tails, won't we, over time.

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Deborah Cribbs: Which is pretty much what's happened since shelters have been invented in the United States.

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Deborah Cribbs: So we realized we have to talk to the public somehow and get them on board.

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Deborah Cribbs: So we worked with some really smart advertising people and came up with the Give Them Ten campaign, which we think has morphed into the Give Them Ten movement.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So yes, I agree with you that we want to save cats, and it is a multifactorial issue, but this is something where you can make a goal and see a difference.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So tell me some of the things that you've seen.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I know that you guys have been tracking some things like in the shelters in Cincinnati since you began.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Can you tell us a little bit about what you're seeing from your movement?

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Deborah Cribbs: Sure, sure.

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Deborah Cribbs: When we got started, it appeared to us that data wasn't really being tracked terribly well.

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Deborah Cribbs: So I called it the yellow sticky note method of data collection, which wasn't really far off the mark.

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Deborah Cribbs: But from the best we could gauge, the live release rate, which is how we measure success here.

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Deborah Cribbs: That means the percentage of cats that enter a shelter that leave alive.

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Deborah Cribbs: So the live release rate was somewhere around 30 to 35 percent, something like that.

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Deborah Cribbs: And right now, we're running squarely above 96 percent, even with all the strains on shelters currently this year.

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Deborah Cribbs: So we've succeeded wildly with a many pronged approach.

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Deborah Cribbs: I mean, we've done a lot of things to bring this to bear, but that's the primary way that we measure success.

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Deborah Cribbs: There are plenty of other metrics.

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Deborah Cribbs: We love metrics, but that's the primary way.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I love metrics too.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And, you know, for my listeners, if you kind of think about that, that's like if three cats entered the shelter, only one roughly got to go home.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And so that really is a problem.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I see why that motivated you.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kudos to you.

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Deborah Cribbs: Thank you.

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Deborah Cribbs: And it did motivate us.

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Deborah Cribbs: It's kind of a horrifying statistic, and I have to say, not unusual even today in many jurisdictions around the country.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And so I saw in your notes that you call it a cat culture shift.

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Deborah Cribbs: Yes.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I love that.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Instead of chasing your tail, I see what you did, you have a cat culture shift.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So you said that you've done other things, though.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So I would guess that the Spay Neuter is your main initiative, because it's a little more simple.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: You're either spayed or neutered or you're not.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: But do you have some other examples of things that you have tackled?

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Deborah Cribbs: Well, once we felt like the Spay Neuter situation was, let's say, running smoothly, we of course continued to dig into the metrics to see what other challenges exist.

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Deborah Cribbs: And there are so many.

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Deborah Cribbs: I mean, we're talking about animal welfare, in particular, cat welfare here.

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Deborah Cribbs: I mean, there are many challenges, not the least of which right now is the veterinary crisis in the United States.

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Deborah Cribbs: So, for example, we are partnering with a local university that has a veterinarian technologist program, just to try to help some of their graduates enter the shelter system, because that would help ease the vet crisis a bit.

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Deborah Cribbs: So that's just a small example.

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Deborah Cribbs: But otherwise, we think the key to having Spay Neuter succeed is to have community cat programs in any area.

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Deborah Cribbs: I mean, this is the, I also like to call it the low-hanging fruit, and I can make jokes about all kinds of body parts after being in the world of cat advertising for a decade.

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Deborah Cribbs: But we believe that the low-hanging fruit here was Spay Neuter, and in the world of Spay Neuter, community cat programs will pretty simply get a shelter to somewhere around the 80th percentile in terms of live release rate.

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Deborah Cribbs: So the first thing we really started working on was helping local shelters institute community cat programs, and that's where we started talking about the culture shift.

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Deborah Cribbs: So we need the public to understand that if you see a cat outside, take a minute and try to understand what kind of cat that is.

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Deborah Cribbs: Is it truly a feral cat?

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Deborah Cribbs: Is there a colony that might need some management, and then that would be trapped due to return?

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Deborah Cribbs: We trap those cats, we fix those cats, we send them back to their colony, and then eventually the colonies get smaller.

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Deborah Cribbs: What about if you see a cat in your neighborhood, and the cat is perfectly healthy, perfectly friendly, and you realize somebody is feeding that cat outside?

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Deborah Cribbs: I ask the public to take this up with making sure that cat has been spay neuter.

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Deborah Cribbs: And a good way to tell, and your listeners might know this, it's very common in the US to actually put a little cut in the cat's ear, we call it ear tipping, while they're under anesthesia, of course.

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Deborah Cribbs: And that ear tipped cat is a signal that that cat has indeed been spay neuter.

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Deborah Cribbs: So these kind of tools are really important.

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Deborah Cribbs: And I also like to throw out that if you are one of the people who is kindly feeding an outside cat, maybe you don't really consider that cat your cat, but you're feeding that cat out of the goodness of your heart.

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Deborah Cribbs: Again, take the step to make sure that cat is spay neutered.

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Deborah Cribbs: There are resources all over the country to do really inexpensive spay neutering.

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Deborah Cribbs: So I'd encourage people to do that.

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Deborah Cribbs: Get the cat ear tips so everybody knows that cat's not going to pause anymore.

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Deborah Cribbs: Any more problems in local shelters.

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Deborah Cribbs: And I think it's really interesting as well, something that I've learned.

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Deborah Cribbs: The healthier the cat is, the more potential kittens that cat could have, and frankly, the more litters that cat could have.

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Deborah Cribbs: So all of these nice people feeding outdoor cats, it is a really nice thing to do.

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Deborah Cribbs: But understand that you might inadvertently be helping to create an even worse problem by creating more kittens.

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Deborah Cribbs: So all of these things come into play when we look at community cat programs and educating the public.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, I love that you brought that up, because of course, my listeners are all cat people and cat lovers.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So, you know, it's not just about wanting to keep the cat from being hungry, it's also about ensuring that you're helping be responsible for that cat.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Also, you know, I know you talk about this, but spayed and neutered cats are less likely to fight and roam and have other health problems.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So it's really good all the way around.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So how many communities were you in when you started, and how many are you in now?

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Deborah Cribbs: Oh, good question.

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Deborah Cribbs: When we started, we were looking in our county in Cincinnati, so basically the city of Cincinnati.

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Deborah Cribbs: And a decade later, we have just a really well-run group of shelters and high-volume spinuter centers helping our cats locally.

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Deborah Cribbs: But as the decade has progressed, we're working in some parts of Indiana.

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Deborah Cribbs: We're working north of Cincinnati and the Dayton area.

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Deborah Cribbs: We have very, very well-run programs in northern Kentucky.

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Deborah Cribbs: So what we do is put sort of a hundred-mile radius around Cincinnati, and we're willing to look at doing work in that area at this point.

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Deborah Cribbs: And just to carry that forward, it is difficult and expensive to expand geographically.

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Deborah Cribbs: You know, it's a lot of physical work to do that.

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Deborah Cribbs: So we realized that we've put an awful lot of resources into a fantastic advertising the Give Them Ten campaign.

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Deborah Cribbs: We have television commercials.

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Deborah Cribbs: You can look at them on our website, givethemten.org.

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Deborah Cribbs: We have a YouTube channel.

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Deborah Cribbs: We do a lot of social media work.

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Deborah Cribbs: We do a lot of digital advertising.

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Deborah Cribbs: And we've got all of these materials.

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Deborah Cribbs: For the last couple of years, we have been going to animal welfare conferences, really anybody who cares to listen.

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Deborah Cribbs: And we've offered, if you qualify, we will allow you to use our campaign almost free of charge.

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Deborah Cribbs: The idea for us is just, wouldn't it be great to get this message out to a bigger audience?

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Deborah Cribbs: And we understand that most shelters don't have the resources to do the kind of advertising work that we've done.

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Deborah Cribbs: And we've been very successful in the last couple of years in gaining interest in that licensing program.

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Deborah Cribbs: We're literally licensing our work to people.

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Deborah Cribbs: And again, for almost nothing.

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Deborah Cribbs: My gosh, we've done work in Iowa, we've done work in Georgia, we have some interest in Hawaii.

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Deborah Cribbs: We get questions outside of the United States, but we're just not in a position to do that yet.

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Deborah Cribbs: But we've got a pretty broad range around the country of shelters that are interested in currently running some of our work.

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Deborah Cribbs: So we're really pleased with that.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Okay, well, we're going to take a quick break, but I've got some more stuff I want to talk with you about.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And so we'll be right back.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Hey there, cat lovers, it's Dr.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat from Nine Lives with Dr.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: You know the expression, cats have nine lives.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, what if you can give them one more?

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: The Give Them Ten movement is on a mission to help give cats an extra life.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: How?

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: With spay and neuter.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Spaying or neutering your cat helps them live a longer, healthier life.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And it helps control free-roaming cat populations, too.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Learn more about the benefits of spay and neuter and meet Scooter, the neutered cat, at givethemten.org.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: That's givethemten.org.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Welcome back to Nine Lives with Dr.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat on Pet Life Radio.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So, Deborah and I are talking about this amazing cat culture shift that is saving amazing numbers of cats, now expanded to a 100-mile radius of Cincinnati and growing.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And there are things that my listeners can do.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: You said, Deborah, that you wanted to reach a wider audience, and that's what you're doing right now.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So, let's talk about, can we talk a little bit about Scooter?

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Deborah Cribbs: Yes, please.

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Deborah Cribbs: I love talking about Scooter the neutered cat.

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Deborah Cribbs: He's our mascot.

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Deborah Cribbs: He's our cat mascot.

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Deborah Cribbs: And he is Scooter the neutered cat.

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Deborah Cribbs: He has hip spectacles, no testicles.

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Deborah Cribbs: And that's what I meant when I said I can rhyme all kinds of fun body parts.

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Deborah Cribbs: Never thought that would be part of my day job at all, but I can.

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Deborah Cribbs: And that work is easily available on our website or our YouTube channel if you just search Scooter the neutered cat, you can find all kinds of fun things.

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Deborah Cribbs: He's adorable, very handsome.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: He is.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I agree with that.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So yeah, I let the low-hanging fruit thing slide because obviously veterinary professionals have kind of a different sense of humor too.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So what do you see, though, as I mean, you mentioned briefly that you kind of want to grow this.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And I want to tell all my listeners the ways to sort of help if they feel inspired by that.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: But what do you think is the hope for the future?

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Deborah Cribbs: Really big question, isn't it?

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Deborah Cribbs: Yes.

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Deborah Cribbs: We would love to see a world, let's just start with the country, where cats are not killed in shelters for overpopulation.

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Deborah Cribbs: obviously, you guys, you and your listeners know that there are some cats who are hopelessly ill or wounded, who need to be humanely euthanized out of shelter.

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Deborah Cribbs: obviously, and we understand that.

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Deborah Cribbs: But we look for a time, we're working for a time, when cats are not killed just because of overpopulation and shelters.

00:17:34.696 --> 00:17:43.236
Deborah Cribbs: And part of that is literally shelter management and making the decision to not kill for space.

00:17:43.236 --> 00:17:51.516
Deborah Cribbs: And looking at all of the best practices nationally, much of them happening in Cincinnati, when you can succeed in a shelter environment.

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Deborah Cribbs: If you are a person and you wonder, well, gosh, what can I do?

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Deborah Cribbs: I would say, talk to your local shelter.

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Deborah Cribbs: What do they need?

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Deborah Cribbs: Do they need money?

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Deborah Cribbs: Probably.

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Deborah Cribbs: Do they need volunteers?

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Deborah Cribbs: Probably.

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Deborah Cribbs: Do they need often really high level volunteers to help maybe run a volunteer project?

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Deborah Cribbs: Yes, absolutely.

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Deborah Cribbs: Everybody can do something if this is something that's of interest to them.

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Deborah Cribbs: But I guess, I guess Dr.

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Deborah Cribbs: Kat, the first thing I would say is know what the metrics are in your area.

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Deborah Cribbs: Is your area successful in not killing cats and for that matter, dogs in shelters?

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Deborah Cribbs: Or are you one of the shelter systems that are not even really telling the public what's going on and a lot of killing is happening?

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Deborah Cribbs: So maybe that's the first thing.

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Deborah Cribbs: Just find out about your local shelter system, what's happening.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: You know, I think that's an excellent point because people that are listening are maybe thinking, gosh, I don't have money to donate, but you could donate your time.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: You could just when you see a cat on your street, you could just ask questions.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I think that we need to work together as human beings that care about other creatures.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Wouldn't you agree?

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Deborah Cribbs: Absolutely.

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Deborah Cribbs: I mean, that's really what it takes, isn't it?

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Deborah Cribbs: Is as a person, just say, hey, I care about this.

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Deborah Cribbs: So what can I do in my area?

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Deborah Cribbs: Maybe at your local animal hospital, maybe some volunteers are needed.

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Deborah Cribbs: Maybe it's transportation between the hospital and the shelter.

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Deborah Cribbs: I mean, there are all kinds of things that can be done.

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Deborah Cribbs: And I don't know every single area in the country.

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Deborah Cribbs: And I mean, I look at the numbers all around the country.

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Deborah Cribbs: I kind of know where the hot spots are.

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Deborah Cribbs: Who's doing well, who's not doing well, who's been backsliding.

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Deborah Cribbs: It's a tough time in cat welfare.

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Deborah Cribbs: It really truly is nationally.

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Deborah Cribbs: The numbers are becoming, they were really getting better.

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Deborah Cribbs: And there is some backsliding happening.

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Deborah Cribbs: And it's scary and it's sad.

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Deborah Cribbs: Like you said, you love animals, you love cats, your listeners love cats.

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Deborah Cribbs: Why are we letting this happen in our areas if we can do something about it?

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I also love the point that you made.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: It's not really no kill.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: There are always going to be pets, dogs, or cats that need to be humanely euthanized because of medical issues that would be cruel to allow them.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So I think that the term no kill isn't 100% accurate.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: But I think that if we can all just care and work together and just try to find one little thing that we could do, and that one little thing might be looking up your website.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So let's tell exactly how to find you.

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Deborah Cribbs: Well, give them 10.org.

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Deborah Cribbs: Or if you want to have fun with some really, really fun advertisements, just do a search for Scooter the neutered cat because our cat mascot, well, Scooter is kind of all over the place.

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Deborah Cribbs: He comes with us to conferences.

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Deborah Cribbs: He's like I said, he's a very handsome boy.

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Deborah Cribbs: And he's got a lot to say on this topic, frankly.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I bet he does.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Now, your website is give them 10, but 10 is spelled out T-E-N, right?

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Deborah Cribbs: Yes, absolutely.

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Deborah Cribbs: Thank you for clarifying that.

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Deborah Cribbs: Give them 10.org.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Yeah, I don't want people looking up the wrong thing and then saying Dr.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Kat, let them wrong.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, this is really fun.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: I love the idea of anything that we can do to save healthy cats because I just love cats.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And I love how cats make us all smile and we watch cat videos.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And so to all my listeners, please look this up and see if there's some little thing that you can do.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: If you can be inspired by Deborah's story and Scooter, please do so.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: So thank you so much for coming to tell us about your cat culture shift.

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Deborah Cribbs: Well, you're very welcome.

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Deborah Cribbs: And I really appreciate your time.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Yeah.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Well, it's been super fun.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And I always thank my amazing producer, Mark Winter.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: And for all my listeners, I want you to not only go out and have a perfect day, but I also want you to go out and check out this website and see if there is some way that you can help with this cat culture shift and save some healthy cats lives.

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Dr. Kathryn Primm: Thanks for listening.

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