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Join hosts Nessie and Echo as they dive into the divided world of mixed-breed vs. purebred pets! They explore the pros and cons, offering insights into the ongoing debate. The episode also features fun segments where the hosts react to online reviews of popular pet-lover gift ideas—because who doesn’t love a good pet-themed present? Stick around till the end for an AI-generated song celebrating our boundless love for all our pets, regardless of their breed! Tune in for a paw-some time! Email us at letstalk@petliferadio.com, find us on social media facebook.com/PodcastLetsTalkAboutPets Instagram Talk_Pets_With_Us

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Announcer: This is Pet Life Radio.

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Announcer: >Let's talk pets.

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Nessie: Hey, pet friends!

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Nessie: Welcome back to another episode of Let's Talk About Pets.

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Nessie: Fear not, your scaly-skinned best friend, Nessie's here, along with your wheezy best friend, Echo.

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Echo: And I'm a little wheezy because I'm getting over the flu.

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Nessie: Yuck.

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Nessie: Well, do your best to mitigate the flu sounds.

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Nessie: I hope everybody had a wonderful holiday season.

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Nessie: Welcome in to 2025.

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Nessie: We are starting this episode off with mixed breeds and purebred dogs.

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Nessie: Love knows no pet breeds.

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Nessie: I like that.

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Echo: That's good.

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Nessie: Because we love the mixed breeds and we love the pure breeds for their own different reasons.

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Echo: We love them all.

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Echo: Yeah.

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Echo: Well, I was just thinking about this the other day when we're looking into this episode.

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Echo: What do you think was the number one most popular dog breed in America in 2023?

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Echo: Do you already know the answer?

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Nessie: I didn't even know the answer.

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Nessie: It is a Frenchie.

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Echo: It is, yeah.

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Echo: I thought it would have been a Golden Retriever.

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Nessie: No, but it had been a Labrador for a long time, which I am a fan of.

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Echo: For 31 years.

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Echo: Yeah, and the Frenchie dethroned in 2019.

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Nessie: I disagree.

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Echo: But for almost as long as I have been alive, that Labrador was at the number one spot.

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Echo: So I thought that was really interesting.

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Nessie: I get it.

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Nessie: I totally get it.

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Nessie: Good, great dogs.

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Nessie: I've yet to understand how Frenchie won out the past couple of years, but.

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Echo: I mean, they're charming and they're silly sounding, and they're kind of cute looking.

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Echo: Not everyone agrees with me.

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Echo: That's okay.

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Nessie: They're cute.

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Nessie: I don't know how I feel about a dog that breathes louder than me asleep while it's awake.

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Nessie: You know what I mean?

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Nessie: I don't know.

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Echo: I don't handle noise very well, so I get it.

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Echo: My dogs are actually pretty quiet, so that makes sense to me.

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Echo: But I thought about we should list off the top 20, because a lot of what we're going to be talking about when it comes to purebred and mixed breed illnesses, we want to talk about the dogs that are statistically like the ones that people have.

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Echo: So number one is the French Bulldog.

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Echo: Number two is the Lab.

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Echo: And then we have the Golden Retriever, German Shepherd, the Poodle, the Dachshund, the English Bulldog, Beagle, Rottweiler, German Shorthair Pointer, Corgi, Aussie, Yorkie, Cavalier, Doberman, Cain Corso, which I was really surprised about.

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Echo: The Miniature Schnells are the box of the Great Gain and the Shih Tzu.

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Echo: So the Cain Corso is number 16, and that surprised me.

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Echo: We see a number of very specific issues with Cain Corso at my specialty clinic.

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Echo: They all have very similar issues.

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Nessie: Oh, I was going to say that for certificate testing and kind of things, but no.

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Echo: No, you know what?

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Echo: Actually, now that you mentioned it, I don't know that I have seen any Cain Corsos myself for OFA certifications.

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Echo: So OFA certifications for anyone that is unaware, that's the Orthopedic Foundation for Animals.

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Echo: Basically, this organization that you can get certifications for cardiology, ophthalmology, orthopedics, so that you can get your, especially your breeding stock, you can get them certified so that when you sell the offspring, you can show the certificates to the families that are buying it, so they can have assurances that you've done everything you can to make sure that you're breeding healthy dogs.

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Echo: So we're big fans of OFA.

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Echo: I'm a big fan of responsible breeding, and a lot of responsible breeding is being aware of the flaws in the specific breed that you choose.

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Echo: If you're the kind of breeder that really wants to continue this line because you love this breed of dog and you want to make sure they are as healthy as possible, that's a great way to do it.

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Echo: As we're talking today about purebreds versus mixed breeds.

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Echo: I'm a fan of both, of course, but I definitely see a lot of merit in having well bred purebred dogs.

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Nessie: If you are getting a dog from a breeder, you definitely want to do your research and make sure that it is a legitimate breeder that's doing things the right way.

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Nessie: It does cost money to do things the right way.

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Echo: Yeah, it does.

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Nessie: While we were away for these holiday breaks and you were out of town, I was thinking about my love for you, and I think the closest thing that I can relate my love for you to is mad cow disease.

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Nessie: Yeah, my love for you is as crazy as mad cow disease.

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Nessie: Oh, and I couldn't wait to see him again to tell you.

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Echo: That's amusing.

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Nessie: In case you didn't hear, I had a pickup line for you.

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Echo: That was a very good one.

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Echo: That was very funny.

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Nessie: I do have one more for you.

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Echo: Okay.

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Nessie: Girl, if you were a dinosaur, you'd be a gorgosaurus.

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Echo: Okay, very good.

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Nessie: I picked that because it's a true sentiment.

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Echo: Oh, that's very sweet.

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Echo: Did you know in 2017, the AVMA estimated that 53 percent of American pet dogs were mixed breeds?

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Echo: So it's almost 50-50.

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Echo: That's it.

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Echo: Yeah.

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Echo: I would have expected.

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Nessie: Are they counting doodles and like, cavapus and doodles and stuff in there?

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Echo: As far as I'm aware, the AKC does not recognize any type of doodles or poodle mixes.

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Echo: It's a breed, so it must be part of that.

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Nessie: Okay.

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Echo: There's so many.

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Echo: I've met a lot through grooming.

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Echo: I bet you have too.

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Nessie: I no longer groom because I have carpal tunnel from brushing out so many doodles.

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Echo: I no longer groom because a 98-pound labradoodle jumped off the table and ruined my back.

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Echo: If anyone's just like, I was a dog jumping off the table, ruin your back.

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Echo: It's because I caught him.

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Echo: I feel like, at least in my experience in the field, there's always an opinion about what's better, purebred versus mixed breed.

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Echo: And there are people on both sides that are ready to die on the hill that they're on.

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Echo: And so that's something that we can really look into and talk about today.

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Echo: The AKC website, I can't remember if I said this before, but AKC stands for the American Kennel Club.

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Echo: They keep all the stats, the records of purebreds that are registered through them.

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Echo: And there are other clubs and stuff that you can use, but the AKC is kind of the most well-known nationally.

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Echo: But their website says that there are no well-published conclusive studies indicating that purebreds are any less healthy than mixed breeds.

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Echo: They make the argument that mixed breed dogs are just as likely to get the same illnesses as purebred dogs are.

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Echo: It's just really difficult to prove that conclusively because there's no registry for mixed breed dogs that studies the prevalent illnesses.

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Echo: One assumption I've heard over and over in this field is that because mutation is getting bred to mutation down many generations of purebred dogs to achieve specific characteristic, this is what makes purebred dogs more unhealthy.

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Echo: That assumption though, it would not be true if both of the mixed breed parents carried the same mutated alleles for the same disorder.

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Echo: The benefit of purebred dogs is that the breeder should be aware of the genetic weak links in their stock and work to eradicate those the best they can.

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Echo: With mixed breed dogs, they're often accidental breedings, and so we can't know what genes are coming into play for the offspring.

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Nessie: One of the things about a mixed breed dog that I do enjoy is the uniqueness.

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Nessie: They very rarely look the same.

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Nessie: For instance, a client that came in, their dog was bred to a dachshund, which wasn't ideal.

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Nessie: A dachshund and a German shepherd got together.

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Nessie: Yeah.

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Nessie: The puppies were already bigger than the mom by the time that they were rehomed.

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Nessie: Some of the dogs wind up looking more like the German shepherd than, you know, the mom.

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Nessie: And some of them were short and long German shepherd looking dachshunds.

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Nessie: It was a very strange combination.

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Nessie: But because of that, no two dogs in that litter came out looking the same, and all of them pretty much came out bigger than their mom.

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Echo: That is crazy.

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Nessie: That's one benefit is at the dog park, you're probably going to have a more different looking dog than the rest.

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Echo: Yeah.

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Echo: That's true.

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Echo: I mean, look at this face.

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Echo: Look at him.

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Echo: And I know you guys at home can't see, but my little dog, he's a mutt.

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Echo: He is ridiculous looking.

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Echo: He's absurd.

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Echo: He is, as best as we can tell, Jack Russell and Pug cross.

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Echo: Now, whoever thought that was a good idea, is a very silly person because he is an obnoxious, grumpy, mean, wrinkly dog.

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Echo: But man, does he have just the most silly, unique face.

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Nessie: I love his face.

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Echo: We can post a picture of him on our Facebook page or something.

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Nessie: I would love to show off our kiddos.

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Echo: Yeah, that would be fun.

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Echo: I can concur that unique is certainly a side effect of mixed breeds.

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Nessie: Sometimes in the pure breeds, you can see like a differential.

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Nessie: The patterns are not always the same, you know?

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Nessie: Like you can see a different black swatch here, or a different like line here, but all in all, they have a similar look to them.

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Echo: Even when they all look the same, there are ways to tell the difference, but man, sometimes it's hard.

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Nessie: I don't think that I'm that attuned to the shapes and the heads and the things that enough to be like, that's definitely Pixel.

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Nessie: I'll be like Pixel, and if he doesn't come, then I'm like, that's probably not him.

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Echo: Well, I'm sure when you were grooming, you could probably tell each of your different doodles apart.

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Nessie: They were like different shades, their coat colors and stuff.

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Nessie: Some people wanted more of a poodle look, while others wanted like the not poodle look.

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Nessie: So in that kind of case, every now and then I could, but if I were to be out in public and just see the dog, I wouldn't know that that is definitely that doodle that I groomed.

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Nessie: Yeah.

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Echo: Oh, okay.

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Echo: A family friend that they used to breed double doodles, which is where one parent was a golden doodle and one parent was a labradoodle.

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Echo: I think they only had two, maybe three litters, but one of the litters, they wanted to do a bunch of dog training when they got a little bit older.

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Echo: I think there were four or five of them, and they all wanted grooming.

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Echo: So they would be a day where I would have five doodles, all related, making sure that this was this one, and this was this one, and making sure they went back to the right owner.

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Echo: When you get to know them and you can tell them all apart.

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Nessie: A while back when I was grooming, we had from two different families, but they were just like white Malteses, right?

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Nessie: Probably around the same age, got similar haircuts, and one got groomed by one groomer, one got groomed with the other.

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Nessie: They were not labeled on their kennels.

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Nessie: When one of the girls went to check the dog out, she went to go grab the white Malteses like dogs and send it home with the owner.

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Nessie: One of the other girls went to be like, hey, where's my dog?

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Nessie: So, it's going to go home, and they were like, no, this one went home, and she was like, no, that one's right there.

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Nessie: And so, it was the wrong dog that went home.

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Nessie: We called them, and they were like, I thought he was acting a little different.

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Nessie: And so, the owner should bring the dog back up when we got the right dog sent back with the right person.

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Echo: That's embarrassing.

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Nessie: Even the owner got home with the dog was just like, I just thought he was real tired or real mad at me for taking with the groomer today because he didn't want anything to do with me.

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Echo: Oh my goodness.

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Echo: Also, that's crazy to me.

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Echo: How would you not recognize your own dog?

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Nessie: I know mine.

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Nessie: And he's got a big dopey face, and the other one, he doesn't have an ounce of chill in her.

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Echo: There was this study done in 2002.

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Echo: I was looking at dogs with hip dysplasia, and it found that the prevalence of this disease was equal in both purebred and mixed breed dogs.

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Echo: And that's about the closest that I have found to a conclusive study saying, this disease is the same regardless of if you're purebred or mixed bred.

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Echo: But it was only done in hip dysplasia.

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Echo: There was another study done at the University of California Davis Veterinary Medical T2 Hospital, comparing the medical records of over 90,000 dogs between 1995 and 2010.

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Echo: That study specifically looked at the prevalence of 24 different illnesses among purebred versus mixed breed dogs.

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Echo: And so this is the best study that I have found.

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Echo: AKC wasn't lying, like there's not a whole lot on this subject, like which is better, which is healthier.

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Echo: But this one I thought was really interesting just for the sheer scale of it.

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Echo: They found 13 of those 24 illnesses had no significant difference between the mean proportion of purebred and mixed breed dogs with those disorders.

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Echo: That's more than half.

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Echo: Then 10 of those illnesses were found to be more prevalent in purebred dogs than in mixed breed dogs.

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Echo: But no single breed dominated the percentages of breeds affected.

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Echo: They found that CCL tears were much more prevalent in mixed breed dogs than in purebred dogs.

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Echo: And also getting hit by a car was more prevalent in mixed breed dogs.

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Echo: Some genetic disorders were present with equal prevalence among all the dogs in the study regardless of purebred or mixed breed status.

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Echo: Other genetic disorders were found in greater prevalence among purebred dogs.

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Echo: But every disorder was seen in the mixed breed population.

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Nessie: Interesting.

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Echo: Yeah, so it was a really, really interesting read.

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Nessie: What does being mixed breed have to do with being hit by a car?

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Echo: I don't think there's a connection necessarily.

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Echo: It's the teaching hospital, so their patients, the 90,000 dogs that they studied, those are what brought in to this teaching hospital.

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Echo: So there's a bit of a skew in that.

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Nessie: Just the soup's norm.

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Echo: The soup's norm.

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Nessie: I think what we should do here is have our first review.

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Nessie: And I thought, what funny things can we find for dog lovers?

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Nessie: Like funny dog products that you might get someone with pets?

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Nessie: Well, yeah.

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Nessie: Our first product here is the dog paw cleaner.

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Echo: Okay.

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Nessie: It's the washing, bloody, muddy pet foot cleaner for small, medium and large breed dogs and cats.

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Nessie: And it comes with three absorbent towels.

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Nessie: I'm just going to show it to you.

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Echo: Oh, okay.

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Echo: Kind of looks like a trash can.

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Nessie: It looks suspicious.

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Nessie: So anyway.

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Nessie: Oh, gosh.

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Nessie: What's a good one?

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Nessie: Give me one of the total names.

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Echo: Pamela.

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Echo: Pamela, don't break this heart of mine.

00:15:37.317 --> 00:15:38.537
Nessie: Wait, I was just going to sing it.

00:15:38.537 --> 00:15:39.977
Nessie: Let me introduce it first.

00:15:39.977 --> 00:15:43.197
Nessie: This is a one-star verified purchase from Pamela.

00:15:43.917 --> 00:15:48.117
Nessie: Pamela, don't break this heart of mine.

00:15:48.117 --> 00:15:52.537
Nessie: Just remember, it may not heal this time.

00:15:54.717 --> 00:15:59.857
Nessie: Beautiful.

00:15:59.857 --> 00:16:02.097
Echo: Someone's going to turn that off if you leave that in.

00:16:02.097 --> 00:16:05.237
Nessie: I am probably going to leave that in, but it's going to be okay.

00:16:05.237 --> 00:16:06.097
Echo: All right.

00:16:06.097 --> 00:16:07.317
Echo: Just remember I'm sick.

00:16:07.317 --> 00:16:09.577
Nessie: This review is called, Ugh.

00:16:09.617 --> 00:16:10.317
Echo: Okay.

00:16:10.317 --> 00:16:13.917
Nessie: Pamela said, Babe, it just doesn't work.

00:16:13.917 --> 00:16:17.997
Nessie: Stick with puppy safe pet wipes and a towel for better luck.

00:16:17.997 --> 00:16:19.137
Nessie: And that was her.

00:16:19.137 --> 00:16:23.757
Nessie: I think Pamela just knows us because she's like, babe, let me just tell you about this product.

00:16:23.757 --> 00:16:24.777
Nessie: It's a no for me.

00:16:24.777 --> 00:16:25.857
Echo: It's a no.

00:16:25.857 --> 00:16:26.537
Echo: Go Pamela.

00:16:27.097 --> 00:16:28.177
Echo: Let us know what you think.

00:16:28.177 --> 00:16:29.917
Nessie: I get the premise of it.

00:16:29.977 --> 00:16:34.997
Nessie: I think you put like a water in there and you like dunk your pet's foot.

00:16:34.997 --> 00:16:41.697
Nessie: And it has like, I don't know, rubber bristles, I guess, that will clean the toes.

00:16:41.697 --> 00:16:42.177
Nessie: Right.

00:16:42.177 --> 00:16:43.877
Nessie: As you dunk their foot in there.

00:16:43.877 --> 00:16:46.057
Nessie: One, you have to have a co-operative enough pet.

00:16:46.077 --> 00:16:46.677
Echo: Yes.

00:16:46.677 --> 00:16:47.117
Echo: Yes.

00:16:47.117 --> 00:16:48.357
Nessie: And it's sent for Kat.

00:16:48.357 --> 00:16:52.697
Nessie: Could you imagine dunking a cat's foot in a container of rubber and water?

00:16:52.697 --> 00:16:54.137
Echo: Not without some scars.

00:16:54.137 --> 00:16:54.777
Nessie: Yeah.

00:16:54.777 --> 00:16:55.577
Nessie: I don't think so either.

00:16:56.337 --> 00:16:59.977
Nessie: It also comes with the little towels, right?

00:16:59.997 --> 00:17:02.397
Nessie: So you're just going to wipe the feet anyway.

00:17:02.397 --> 00:17:09.717
Echo: Maybe that's for once you have clean feet, then you dry it with the towel, in which case, just use a towel.

00:17:09.717 --> 00:17:10.557
Nessie: Right.

00:17:10.557 --> 00:17:16.757
Nessie: Use some pet safe wipes that she recommended first, Pamela did, and then just wipe them.

00:17:16.757 --> 00:17:17.457
Echo: Yeah.

00:17:17.457 --> 00:17:18.017
Echo: Easy.

00:17:18.017 --> 00:17:20.757
Echo: I thought maybe that might be easier just to turn the microphone off when I have to-

00:17:24.297 --> 00:17:25.597
Nessie: Whatever works for you.

00:17:25.597 --> 00:17:32.497
Echo: You're going to have a lot more work for trying to edit around the, you know.

00:17:32.497 --> 00:17:34.377
Nessie: Let's maybe don't do that one.

00:17:34.377 --> 00:17:35.657
Nessie: That one was terrible.

00:17:35.657 --> 00:17:36.837
Echo: That's what it feels like.

00:17:36.837 --> 00:17:41.917
Nessie: Some of the other ones have been manageable, but that one right there, that one made me feel away.

00:17:41.917 --> 00:17:45.297
Nessie: We have another product here.

00:17:45.297 --> 00:17:47.577
Nessie: The Funny Dog Mom Pen Set.

00:17:48.237 --> 00:17:58.017
Nessie: It's a five-piece dog-themed stylus pen, perfect for the groomer, the vet, the dog sitter, the dog walker, cool Christmas stocking stuffer and birthday gifts.

00:17:58.017 --> 00:18:00.437
Nessie: And they have little dog sayings on them.

00:18:00.437 --> 00:18:02.137
Echo: Oh, they're pens!

00:18:02.137 --> 00:18:03.557
Echo: Oh, that's cute.

00:18:03.557 --> 00:18:05.897
Echo: I was thinking like a playpen.

00:18:05.897 --> 00:18:09.617
Nessie: No, like a handwritten pen.

00:18:12.197 --> 00:18:14.757
Nessie: This one says, ask me about my dog.

00:18:14.757 --> 00:18:16.677
Nessie: This one says, my kids have paws.

00:18:17.037 --> 00:18:20.497
Nessie: This one says, I work hard so my dog can have a better life.

00:18:20.497 --> 00:18:23.037
Nessie: So, they're cute, and they have fun colors.

00:18:23.037 --> 00:18:25.837
Nessie: I have a five-star review.

00:18:25.837 --> 00:18:26.897
Nessie: What's another name?

00:18:31.557 --> 00:18:32.597
Nessie: Is that not...

00:18:32.597 --> 00:18:34.137
Nessie: am I putting a curse on somebody?

00:18:34.137 --> 00:18:35.457
Nessie: What is this?

00:18:42.557 --> 00:18:44.297
Nessie: It's just the name of a woman.

00:18:47.697 --> 00:18:51.797
Nessie: So, for you today, I have a five-star review from Mushanga.

00:18:51.797 --> 00:18:54.977
Echo: Mushanga, whoa, whoa.

00:18:59.137 --> 00:19:00.297
Echo: I'm having a great time.

00:19:00.297 --> 00:19:04.657
Nessie: I am glad you are, because I was real nervous about that one.

00:19:04.717 --> 00:19:10.017
Nessie: I was like, I'm gonna say this wrong, and the internet is going to cancel me.

00:19:10.017 --> 00:19:11.757
Nessie: They are gonna be done with me.

00:19:11.897 --> 00:19:12.697
Nessie: No, you're good.

00:19:12.697 --> 00:19:13.837
Nessie: I think it went okay.

00:19:13.837 --> 00:19:18.197
Nessie: It's a five-star review called Nice Pens, Cute Sayings.

00:19:18.197 --> 00:19:21.337
Nessie: When I saw these pens, I knew I just had to have them.

00:19:21.337 --> 00:19:23.897
Nessie: I'm a dog person, of course.

00:19:23.897 --> 00:19:25.897
Nessie: So I love the sayings on them.

00:19:25.897 --> 00:19:28.717
Nessie: They write well, they're comfortable to hold.

00:19:28.717 --> 00:19:32.977
Nessie: I also love the fact that they're very different from the pens we use at work.

00:19:32.977 --> 00:19:39.417
Nessie: So if anyone borrows them, in quotation marks, well, we'll all know who the culprit is.

00:19:40.017 --> 00:19:43.097
Nessie: I hope they last and don't run out of ink too soon.

00:19:43.097 --> 00:19:44.497
Nessie: She doesn't trust her co-workers.

00:19:44.497 --> 00:19:46.157
Echo: No, she does not.

00:19:46.757 --> 00:19:49.977
Nessie: They're going to take her dog pens.

00:19:49.977 --> 00:19:56.037
Nessie: If she works in the vet industry, it's very possible that pens switch hands throughout the day.

00:19:56.037 --> 00:19:56.557
Echo: Oh, yeah.

00:19:56.557 --> 00:20:00.417
Nessie: There's been tons of times that I pop into a room and I don't have my pen in my pocket.

00:20:00.417 --> 00:20:04.677
Nessie: I left it on the counter somewhere, so I get it.

00:20:04.677 --> 00:20:07.937
Nessie: But she wants to make sure that she knows who uses.

00:20:08.437 --> 00:20:11.557
Echo: But it does happen pretty frequently that someone is just like, Oh, I need a pen.

00:20:11.557 --> 00:20:12.117
Nessie: I don't have one.

00:20:12.117 --> 00:20:14.017
Echo: And I'm like, here, you can buy mine.

00:20:14.017 --> 00:20:18.077
Echo: And they use it and then they either put it in their pocket or they set it down and they forget about it.

00:20:18.077 --> 00:20:21.137
Echo: And then later I go to use my pen and I'm like, Oh, where's my pen?

00:20:21.317 --> 00:20:25.497
Echo: It's just an never ending, constantly looking for your pen, always.

00:20:25.497 --> 00:20:25.797
Nessie: Dr.

00:20:25.797 --> 00:20:30.677
Nessie: White has gotten on to me for it before, like stop giving your stuff away type deal.

00:20:30.677 --> 00:20:35.297
Nessie: So we were in a room giving a lady's advice about her dog's prognosis.

00:20:35.297 --> 00:20:40.397
Nessie: She had her calendar out and every medication for a dog was in a different color and pen.

00:20:40.397 --> 00:20:45.137
Nessie: And we were adding another medication in, and I had like a lighter blue pen.

00:20:45.137 --> 00:20:47.457
Nessie: So I was like, oh, here, you can use this pen.

00:20:47.457 --> 00:20:49.557
Nessie: She was like, this is a beautiful color.

00:20:49.557 --> 00:20:50.977
Nessie: And I was like, you can have it.

00:20:50.977 --> 00:20:52.077
Nessie: She's like, oh, I can't take your pen.

00:20:52.077 --> 00:20:53.837
Nessie: And I was like, please take my pen.

00:20:53.837 --> 00:20:59.117
Nessie: I felt the least I could do with the bad news she got today was like, give her this nice pen, right?

00:20:59.117 --> 00:21:01.037
Nessie: We get out of the room and Dr.

00:21:01.037 --> 00:21:06.257
Nessie: White starts rattling off the medications he wants me to put in the computer for him as far as going home.

00:21:06.757 --> 00:21:10.237
Nessie: I had nothing to write it down, because it was like a list of things.

00:21:10.237 --> 00:21:14.357
Nessie: And I was like, can I use your pen?

00:21:14.357 --> 00:21:18.857
Nessie: It was like, you should have left your pen away in the first place.

00:21:18.857 --> 00:21:22.617
Nessie: He gave me his pen on his pocket and he's like, stop giving your stuff away.

00:21:22.617 --> 00:21:26.017
Nessie: And then a co-worker walks by and she's like, do you have a Sharpie?

00:21:26.017 --> 00:21:28.637
Nessie: I pull my Sharpie out and I was like, here, you could keep it.

00:21:28.637 --> 00:21:32.117
Nessie: And he was like, did you literally just not listen to it?

00:21:32.157 --> 00:21:34.137
Nessie: I just said to you.

00:21:34.137 --> 00:21:35.357
Echo: That sounds like you.

00:21:35.357 --> 00:21:36.457
Nessie: You could keep it.

00:21:36.457 --> 00:21:41.057
Echo: Someone like compliments something and you're just like, oh, you can just keep it every time.

00:21:41.057 --> 00:21:44.017
Echo: What if someone was just like, oh my gosh, your house is so cute.

00:21:44.017 --> 00:21:45.317
Echo: You'd be like, yeah, you can have it.

00:21:45.317 --> 00:21:46.797
Echo: It's yours now.

00:21:46.797 --> 00:21:47.517
Nessie: You like it?

00:21:47.517 --> 00:21:49.277
Nessie: You can have it.

00:21:50.717 --> 00:21:53.277
Echo: Oh my gosh, your dog is so pretty.

00:21:53.277 --> 00:21:54.817
Echo: You can have it.

00:21:54.817 --> 00:21:56.557
Echo: Wait.

00:21:56.637 --> 00:21:57.137
Nessie: Right.

00:21:57.957 --> 00:22:05.697
Nessie: I don't know why my brain didn't like that, but I thought she gets one small goodness out of the day, which is this like cool colored bed.

00:22:05.697 --> 00:22:17.577
Echo: When we're talking about known breed illnesses, when it comes to mixed breed dogs, they tend to be mixes of the most popular breeds that people own, right?

00:22:17.577 --> 00:22:27.117
Echo: The more of one breed that exists, then the higher the likelihood of a runaway or a stray dog being that breed, right?

00:22:27.117 --> 00:22:54.837
Echo: So as a general statement, and like this is of course, not going to be like totally accurate, but it gives us a bit of a blanket understanding that mixed breed found on the street or from accidental breedings at home or unspayed dogs that run away and come back pregnant or unneuter dogs that smell a dog in heat nearby and chase that scent, like all of that, it's more likely that the offspring from these pairings are going to be mixes of the most popular breeds.

00:22:54.837 --> 00:23:04.437
Echo: Sometimes the mixed breeds will have the genes, they will have the alleles for these different types of diseases and mutations.

00:23:04.437 --> 00:23:07.617
Echo: I wanted to start with the brachycephalic dogs.

00:23:07.617 --> 00:23:12.937
Echo: For anyone that does not know, brachycephalic just means short head.

00:23:12.937 --> 00:23:15.457
Echo: So these are dogs that have really squishy face.

00:23:15.457 --> 00:23:20.417
Echo: Five of our top 20 most popular breeds are brachycephalic.

00:23:20.737 --> 00:23:25.797
Echo: That's the French bulldog, the English bulldog, the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, the Boxer and the Shih Tzu.

00:23:25.797 --> 00:23:32.337
Echo: And there are many other popular breeds that are also brachycephalic that are not on this list, like Pug, Boston Terriers, Pekingese.

00:23:32.337 --> 00:23:38.417
Echo: There are a surprising number of medical problems that stem from breeding dogs with flat faces.

00:23:38.417 --> 00:23:43.837
Echo: We love the look of these breeds because they look the most like human babies.

00:23:43.837 --> 00:23:48.857
Echo: That's kind of the general thought of why we keep breeding dogs with flatter and flatter faces.

00:23:49.137 --> 00:23:54.997
Echo: The giant, round head, the big eyes, human, have bred these dogs to look this way on purpose.

00:23:55.217 --> 00:24:04.397
Echo: It's important to recognize what we are sacrificing for this really adorable look, and that is their health and their overall welfare.

00:24:04.397 --> 00:24:12.817
Echo: The Humane Society of America has a really good resource on their website to help owners understand the health concerns of brachycephalic dogs.

00:24:12.817 --> 00:24:24.697
Echo: On that list, there's breathing problems, skinfold infections, eye and eyelid issues, back and joint problems, mobility issues, heat stroke, and birthing problems.

00:24:24.697 --> 00:24:34.397
Echo: At some point, I think we're planning to do an entire episode on brachycephalic obstructive airway syndrome, because there's so much information, and it really deserves its own episode.

00:24:34.397 --> 00:24:52.377
Nessie: Talking about brachycephalics, in an article called the Longevity of Companion Dog Breeds, they were basically looking at the different aspects of a dog, whether it is, you know, mixed or purebred, and the size of the dogs and, of course, the cephalic index.

00:24:52.377 --> 00:24:54.377
Nessie: There's three different cephalic types.

00:24:54.377 --> 00:25:04.057
Nessie: So there's the brachycephalic, which is flat-faced, mesocephalic, which is medium proportion, and then there is the dolicose cephalic, which is the long-faced breeds.

00:25:04.057 --> 00:25:07.677
Nessie: These have a key factor in a pet's lifespan.

00:25:07.677 --> 00:25:15.657
Nessie: The brachycephalic breeds tend to have significantly shorter lifespans than those with the longer or medium faces.

00:25:16.197 --> 00:25:17.937
Nessie: They have...

00:25:17.937 --> 00:25:20.037
Echo: We're thinking of all brachycephalics, right?

00:25:20.037 --> 00:25:28.517
Echo: And I have to include shih tzu, cavaliers, piquenies, and even the Bostons can live that long.

00:25:28.517 --> 00:25:35.497
Echo: It's really, it's the English bulldogs and the boxers, it feels like that they can't sustain till 12 years old most of the time.

00:25:35.497 --> 00:25:40.037
Echo: Although for boxers, it's usually not due to brachycephalic issues.

00:25:40.037 --> 00:25:41.997
Echo: It's more due to heart conditions or cancer.

00:25:41.997 --> 00:25:42.917
Echo: So there's that.

00:25:42.917 --> 00:25:55.457
Echo: In short, without going into too much detail about all of the issues that brachycephalics have with just their skull conformation, like the snoring and snorting noises that these dogs make, a lot of people love it, right?

00:25:55.457 --> 00:25:56.637
Echo: Because they think it's really cute.

00:25:56.637 --> 00:26:03.097
Echo: But I mean, the truth of it is that the snoring and the snorting, it's the sound of them suffocating, right?

00:26:03.377 --> 00:26:07.197
Echo: And I know that sounds really scary, and that's because it is, right?

00:26:07.197 --> 00:26:22.157
Echo: So if we look at wild dogs, wolves, coyotes, foxes, dingoes, my favorite, which is the African wild dog, they all have long snouts with smaller eyes that are safely encased inside deep bony orbits, right?

00:26:22.157 --> 00:26:27.437
Echo: That's the skull structure that dogs naturally have without any human intervention.

00:26:27.437 --> 00:26:33.017
Echo: Throughout centuries of dog breeding, we have invented many breeds with flattened snouts.

00:26:33.017 --> 00:26:36.917
Echo: And our favorite resource, Veterinary Partner, has an article that's written by Dr.

00:26:36.917 --> 00:26:37.757
Echo: Wendy Brooks.

00:26:37.757 --> 00:26:45.337
Echo: She says that brachycephalic dogs have a normal-sized lower jaw and a compressed upper jaw.

00:26:45.337 --> 00:26:47.617
Echo: I always thought it was like both were shorter.

00:26:47.617 --> 00:26:50.817
Echo: That really helps to explain why all of them have such an underbite, right?

00:26:50.817 --> 00:26:53.257
Nessie: Yeah.

00:26:53.257 --> 00:26:59.497
Echo: So these dogs tend to have nostrils that are very small, so the opening to the airway through their nose is limited.

00:26:59.497 --> 00:27:04.797
Echo: They also have enlarged tongues, which contributes to obstruct the airway through the mouth.

00:27:04.797 --> 00:27:05.057
Echo: Dr.

00:27:05.057 --> 00:27:30.977
Echo: Brooks also says that really trying to fit all of the soft tissues that dogs have in the mouth and the throat into the limited space that is allowed for flat-faced dogs results in a lot of problems like elongated soft palates, which tend to hang loosely and kind of flap as the dogs breathe through their mouths, and a very narrow trachea, limiting how much air can even pass into the lungs, and also makes intubation for surgeries a lot more difficult.

00:27:30.977 --> 00:27:34.957
Echo: That's something that you and I tend to see quite frequently.

00:27:35.317 --> 00:27:42.977
Echo: You got to get a tiny endotracheal tube if you're going to intubate a bulldog for surgery.

00:27:42.977 --> 00:27:47.777
Echo: And then stress from excitement or exercise can also be dangerous for these dogs.

00:27:47.777 --> 00:27:52.697
Echo: For as much as these dogs pant, their panting is inefficient for what they need.

00:27:52.697 --> 00:28:04.277
Echo: Dogs that have a normal skull and throat structure, they're able to pant and allow for the evaporation of saliva from the tongue to cool the air as it passes through the throat into the lungs.

00:28:05.057 --> 00:28:15.477
Echo: But brachycephalic dogs is so much more work is needed to achieve the same amount of air that the airways become really irritated and swollen, which further blocks the airway.

00:28:15.477 --> 00:28:18.777
Echo: And that makes overheating a life-threatening problem.

00:28:18.777 --> 00:28:23.977
Echo: There's a lot of like significant health concerns for brachycephalic dogs.

00:28:23.977 --> 00:28:35.737
Echo: If you like these dogs, if you have these dogs, it's really important to know all of these concerns because that is going to be something that you are likely to run into at some point in their lives.

00:28:35.737 --> 00:28:41.437
Echo: And it's good to know what they are so that you can have a plan in place for how to take care of them appropriately.

00:28:41.437 --> 00:28:48.037
Nessie: So, for bunzies, because now we're all bummed out about not being able to breathe and stuff, and we like, we like to breathe.

00:28:48.037 --> 00:28:53.757
Nessie: Our next product, the brand is called Jessona, which sounds fun.

00:28:53.757 --> 00:28:59.777
Nessie: And these are women's cat socks, cute animal sock dog owl gifts for women.

00:28:59.777 --> 00:29:01.197
Nessie: They come in different animals.

00:29:01.237 --> 00:29:03.737
Nessie: You can get cat, owl, dog.

00:29:03.737 --> 00:29:04.937
Nessie: They're very cute.

00:29:04.937 --> 00:29:06.937
Nessie: I need a, I need another name.

00:29:06.937 --> 00:29:07.517
Echo: Carmen.

00:29:07.517 --> 00:29:09.037
Nessie: Carmen.

00:29:09.037 --> 00:29:10.837
Nessie: Like Carmen Sandiego?

00:29:10.837 --> 00:29:13.137
Echo: Yeah, like Carmen Sandiego.

00:29:13.137 --> 00:29:16.037
Nessie: This review is from Carmen.

00:29:16.037 --> 00:29:17.917
Echo: I don't remember how the song goes.

00:29:19.397 --> 00:29:19.857
Nessie: Hold on.

00:29:19.857 --> 00:29:22.857
Nessie: Carmen, Carmen, don't you care?

00:29:22.857 --> 00:29:25.337
Nessie: Carmen, don't you care for me?

00:29:29.317 --> 00:29:30.657
Echo: Had a little dance with that one.

00:29:30.857 --> 00:29:31.397
Nessie: It was cute.

00:29:31.397 --> 00:29:32.357
Nessie: It was good.

00:29:32.357 --> 00:29:38.217
Nessie: I was in my head going like, where in the world is Carmen Sandiego?

00:29:38.217 --> 00:29:38.737
Nessie: Yeah.

00:29:38.737 --> 00:29:42.197
Nessie: Carmen says she got the cat socks.

00:29:42.197 --> 00:29:44.217
Nessie: They are very cute.

00:29:44.217 --> 00:29:46.497
Nessie: I got them for a car lover gift.

00:29:46.497 --> 00:29:47.857
Echo: A car lover?

00:29:47.857 --> 00:29:49.577
Echo: Oh, did she misread?

00:29:49.577 --> 00:29:54.577
Nessie: I think that she mistyped, and it is supposed to be she got a cat lover gift.

00:29:54.577 --> 00:29:58.757
Nessie: But it's funny because she specifically was like, I bought the cat socks for the car lover.

00:29:58.757 --> 00:30:01.137
Echo: The typo would make more sense, although this is funnier.

00:30:01.137 --> 00:30:02.657
Nessie: It's an easy mistake to make.

00:30:02.657 --> 00:30:07.357
Nessie: You know, every car lover is not always a cat lover.

00:30:07.357 --> 00:30:08.017
Echo: True.

00:30:08.017 --> 00:30:12.377
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00:30:12.377 --> 00:30:14.017
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Nessie: Welcome back.

00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:16.340
Nessie: Let's dive in.

00:31:16.900 --> 00:31:19.120
Nessie: And I have a second one for this product.

00:31:19.120 --> 00:31:21.240
Nessie: This one is a one star review.

00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:22.240
Echo: Ooh.

00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:23.400
Nessie: Do you have another name?

00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:24.100
Echo: Rosanna.

00:31:24.100 --> 00:31:25.300
Nessie: I think I might know this one.

00:31:25.300 --> 00:31:26.080
Echo: Yeah.

00:31:26.080 --> 00:31:28.660
Echo: This is probably their second most popular song.

00:31:28.660 --> 00:31:33.160
Nessie: So I have a one star verified purchase from Rosanna.

00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:36.420
Nessie: Rosanna, whoa, whoa.

00:31:41.500 --> 00:31:42.580
Nessie: I'm digging this.

00:31:42.580 --> 00:31:43.860
Nessie: I'm a big fan.

00:31:43.860 --> 00:31:44.500
Echo: Doing a bad job.

00:31:44.500 --> 00:31:44.820
Echo: It's fine.

00:31:45.220 --> 00:31:47.880
Nessie: It's called Seriously, question mark.

00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.600
Echo: Gotta read that with some food.

00:31:49.600 --> 00:31:50.560
Echo: Seriously?

00:31:50.560 --> 00:31:51.700
Echo: Cat socks.

00:31:51.700 --> 00:31:53.260
Echo: Yes, I see them.

00:31:53.260 --> 00:31:55.080
Nessie: This is how it was delivered.

00:31:55.080 --> 00:31:56.700
Nessie: No outer packaging.

00:31:56.700 --> 00:31:58.780
Nessie: This was supposed to be a Christmas present.

00:31:58.780 --> 00:32:02.300
Nessie: The person it is intended for also lives here.

00:32:02.300 --> 00:32:04.680
Nessie: Hopefully I grabbed it before they saw it.

00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:07.260
Nessie: Pretty ridiculous considering the price I paid.

00:32:07.360 --> 00:32:08.440
Nessie: Hmm, okay.

00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:12.340
Nessie: It got a one star review for the delivery.

00:32:12.340 --> 00:32:14.360
Nessie: And I think that's an option now on Amazon.

00:32:14.660 --> 00:32:19.980
Nessie: You can opt for no extra packaging, like save on wasteful material.

00:32:19.980 --> 00:32:24.100
Nessie: You must have didn't check that you wanted extra packaging because it was a gift, you know?

00:32:24.100 --> 00:32:26.340
Echo: Yeah, that one might be on you, Rosanna.

00:32:26.340 --> 00:32:30.520
Nessie: Rosanna, I'm really sorry that it was no longer a surprise gift.

00:32:30.520 --> 00:32:32.260
Nessie: And for the price you paid...

00:32:32.260 --> 00:32:35.580
Echo: You know what I realized is that I sang Rosanna to the tune of Mushonga.

00:32:35.580 --> 00:32:38.700
Nessie: I did not recognize your version of Rosanna.

00:32:38.700 --> 00:32:43.460
Nessie: I was like, that's not the song I had in my head, but maybe I was thinking of the wrong Rosanna.

00:32:43.740 --> 00:32:47.220
Nessie: Is it Rosanna, Rosanna?

00:32:47.220 --> 00:32:48.980
Echo: That's the one I should have done, and I did it wrong.

00:32:48.980 --> 00:32:49.780
Nessie: That's all right.

00:32:49.780 --> 00:32:58.020
Echo: Because the thing is, I get them mixed up, because there are so many Toto songs titled are women's names.

00:32:58.260 --> 00:32:59.760
Nessie: I didn't go that deep into it.

00:32:59.760 --> 00:33:10.860
Nessie: If the worst part of this issue was that the person they were intended for might have already seen their Christmas socks, I feel like at least it didn't get porch pirated.

00:33:10.860 --> 00:33:12.640
Nessie: There were bigger issues at play here.

00:33:12.780 --> 00:33:14.400
Nessie: You could have had no socks.

00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.280
Nessie: Someone could have saw those and been like, I really want Kat socks too.

00:33:17.460 --> 00:33:18.420
Echo: And who would?

00:33:18.420 --> 00:33:19.220
Nessie: Porch pirates are everywhere.

00:33:19.220 --> 00:33:20.460
Echo: Those are adorable.

00:33:20.460 --> 00:33:23.200
Nessie: So you could have at least been at two stars, Rosanna.

00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:25.600
Nessie: Yeah, one star, because they might have seen it.

00:33:25.600 --> 00:33:26.760
Nessie: It's not fair.

00:33:26.760 --> 00:33:28.480
Nessie: Your stuff didn't get porch pirated.

00:33:28.480 --> 00:33:30.440
Nessie: It's a five star, in my opinion.

00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:32.660
Echo: I think it could have been a little more gracious there, Rosanna.

00:33:32.660 --> 00:33:34.420
Nessie: And it was like a multi pack of colors.

00:33:34.420 --> 00:33:36.900
Nessie: Do you know how happy those porch pirates would have been?

00:33:36.900 --> 00:33:39.040
Nessie: They have kids they want to put in their sockings for.

00:33:39.240 --> 00:33:42.740
Echo: Yeah, I would have loved a set of multi color cat socks.

00:33:42.740 --> 00:33:44.180
Echo: That sounds really fun.

00:33:44.180 --> 00:33:48.140
Nessie: Yeah, so I'm just saying you're not being very thankful.

00:33:48.140 --> 00:33:50.660
Nessie: The season of being thankful and people already forgot about it.

00:33:50.700 --> 00:33:53.120
Nessie: People are already ready to be mad about it.

00:33:53.120 --> 00:33:54.020
Echo: It's true.

00:33:54.020 --> 00:33:55.020
Nessie: It didn't last long.

00:33:55.020 --> 00:33:55.760
Echo: No, it didn't.

00:33:55.760 --> 00:33:59.240
Echo: It really only lasts a couple of days, and then it's just full Christmas time.

00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.780
Nessie: Sadly, January 1st is when calories started counting again.

00:34:02.780 --> 00:34:05.700
Nessie: So now I'm going to have to go back to eating, right?

00:34:05.700 --> 00:34:08.780
Nessie: But there was a full two weeks where I was like potatoes.

00:34:08.900 --> 00:34:09.620
Nessie: Yes.

00:34:09.620 --> 00:34:10.380
Echo: Yeah.

00:34:10.380 --> 00:34:10.780
Echo: Thank you.

00:34:10.780 --> 00:34:11.400
Echo: I will have them.

00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.820
Nessie: You're a dietitian, so you can count during this time.

00:34:13.820 --> 00:34:18.840
Echo: I was staying at my brother and sister-in-law's house, and they eat a lot of carbs.

00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:23.740
Echo: They eat a lot of sugar, and I don't in general.

00:34:23.740 --> 00:34:28.220
Echo: And so I go and I visit them, and I just eat junk food, and it's great.

00:34:28.220 --> 00:34:31.640
Echo: My brother made these tacos that were amazing.

00:34:31.640 --> 00:34:39.300
Echo: And the tacos themselves were fine, but everything else that went with it was carbs, and not a single vegetable.

00:34:39.300 --> 00:34:41.080
Nessie: What goes with tacos?

00:34:41.080 --> 00:34:44.860
Echo: You know, like rice and beans and peppers and stuff like that.

00:34:44.860 --> 00:34:47.380
Nessie: During Christmas, I was potato everything.

00:34:47.380 --> 00:34:48.780
Nessie: Mashed potato, take it.

00:34:48.780 --> 00:34:52.180
Nessie: Baked potato, french fry, hash brown, I'll take them all.

00:34:52.180 --> 00:34:54.360
Nessie: There's no wrong way to eat a potato.

00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:58.940
Nessie: Now, I'm going to go back to missing it, but it's my own good.

00:34:58.940 --> 00:34:59.340
Echo: Yeah.

00:34:59.340 --> 00:35:08.260
Echo: If you don't allow yourself to have something that you love, at least sometimes, like that makes it a lot harder to stick with your diet.

00:35:08.260 --> 00:35:10.200
Echo: I think everything in moderation.

00:35:10.200 --> 00:35:15.180
Nessie: And by moderation, you mean while out at the end of the year every year.

00:35:15.180 --> 00:35:16.480
Nessie: Yes.

00:35:17.900 --> 00:35:19.900
Nessie: That's January's problem.

00:35:21.740 --> 00:35:23.200
Echo: That's a problem for later.

00:35:23.200 --> 00:35:30.600
Echo: According to the Canine Cancer Foundation, 25% of purebred dogs die of cancer.

00:35:30.900 --> 00:35:37.500
Echo: Four of the top five dog breeds that tend to get cancer are in our top 20 most popular breeds.

00:35:37.500 --> 00:35:41.220
Echo: And that would be the Golden Retriever, the Boxer, the German Shepherd and Rottweiler.

00:35:41.220 --> 00:35:49.980
Nessie: My question here is actually, is the cancer more prevalent in them because they're more popular breeds, which means there's more of them around.

00:35:49.980 --> 00:35:57.640
Nessie: The inevitability is if there's more of one thing out there, that one's going to seem like it has a high instance of cancer, right?

00:35:57.640 --> 00:35:58.660
Echo: That's a really good point.

00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.300
Nessie: The breeds that are not as popular like what's not popular anymore.

00:36:03.300 --> 00:36:05.740
Echo: The dandy din mont is not very popular.

00:36:05.740 --> 00:36:06.560
Nessie: I like them.

00:36:06.560 --> 00:36:07.900
Nessie: They are cute.

00:36:07.900 --> 00:36:15.480
Nessie: So with the dandy din mont, they're not on the list as having high prevalence of cancer, but there's also not that many out there in people's homes.

00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:16.300
Echo: Right.

00:36:16.300 --> 00:36:29.520
Echo: And that's a really good point because now I want to know, are they looking at all of the dandy din monts in America, and this percent of just that breed have cancer?

00:36:29.520 --> 00:36:37.580
Echo: Or are they looking at just all of the dogs that have cancer in America, and this percent is dandy din monts, which is a really small percent?

00:36:37.580 --> 00:36:39.960
Echo: This information comes from the Canine Cancer Foundation.

00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:42.700
Echo: I would really like to learn more about it.

00:36:42.700 --> 00:36:49.200
Nessie: Anybody listening, if you happen to work at the Canine Cancer Foundation, talk to us, reach out to us.

00:36:49.200 --> 00:36:52.560
Nessie: We'd be more than happy to have you, and we're always ready to learn more.

00:36:52.560 --> 00:36:53.580
Echo: Yeah, absolutely.

00:36:54.200 --> 00:36:55.140
Echo: I would love that.

00:36:55.140 --> 00:37:11.880
Echo: Statistics do support the idea that genetic characteristics can contribute to higher rates of cancer, although more research really is needed to better understand which genetic factors are involved in increasing cancer risk.

00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:22.100
Echo: Some of the most common cancers found in dogs are mast cell tumors, melanoma, lymphoma, osteosarcoma, and hemangiosarcoma.

00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:30.320
Echo: It would take an entire episode or more to delve into canine cancer, but I do have some quick facts.

00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:43.280
Echo: Mast cell tumors are aggressive tumors made of mast cells, which are a type of white blood cell, and they tend to present as a mass or a nodule in the skin, but they can grow on organs as well.

00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:55.760
Echo: There are a number of purebred dogs that are more susceptible to mast cell tumors, but they tend to have a low-grade tumor, while it's actually the older mixed breed dogs that tend to get the higher-grade tumors.

00:37:55.760 --> 00:37:57.600
Echo: So that's mast cell tumors.

00:37:57.600 --> 00:38:14.080
Echo: Small dog breeds tend to have a higher risk of getting melanoma, although any breed can get it, but malignant melanoma, which means that it grows uncontrollably and it invades the neighboring tissues, is often found in the toes and nail beds of black dogs.

00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:18.500
Echo: Lymphoma is cancer of the lymph nodes or the lymphatic system.

00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:24.520
Echo: It is common in a number of breeds and often appears in middle-age and older dogs.

00:38:24.520 --> 00:38:28.980
Echo: Osteosarcoma is a type of bone cancer, is more commonly found in large breed dogs.

00:38:28.980 --> 00:38:32.380
Echo: Hemangiosarcoma, it's a very aggressive cancer in the blood vessels.

00:38:32.380 --> 00:38:37.240
Echo: It often affects larger breed dogs of middle-age and older.

00:38:37.240 --> 00:38:42.760
Echo: So it's kind of an overview of the most common dogs to gay cats.

00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.160
Echo: There's a lot listed on the K-9 Cancer Foundation website.

00:38:46.160 --> 00:38:54.480
Echo: They have a table with each of those different types of cancers and a list of the most common breeds that get those cancers.

00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:58.180
Echo: So if that's something you're interested in, you can go on their website and take a look.

00:38:58.180 --> 00:39:05.600
Nessie: So back to that, that longevity paper that I had done a little bit of reading on.

00:39:05.600 --> 00:39:15.260
Nessie: They were saying that as mammalians, which aren't any species of mammal, their lifespan usually very strongly with body size.

00:39:15.260 --> 00:39:18.860
Nessie: Like larger species tend to outlive the smaller species.

00:39:18.860 --> 00:39:24.140
Nessie: For example, an elephant is going to outlive a mouse.

00:39:24.140 --> 00:39:30.620
Nessie: But when it comes to domesticated pets like dogs, the size usually works opposite.

00:39:30.620 --> 00:39:35.580
Nessie: The smaller breed dogs tend to outlive the larger breed dogs.

00:39:35.580 --> 00:39:39.120
Nessie: So the Great Dane is not going to live as long as the Yorkie.

00:39:42.320 --> 00:39:58.540
Nessie: To me, that was a really interesting find that though it works the opposite way in mammals in general, when you look at dog species specifically, the big dogs don't have as long of a lifespan as the little dogs.

00:39:58.540 --> 00:40:01.600
Nessie: However, a mouse has maybe a two year lifespan.

00:40:01.600 --> 00:40:02.600
Echo: If you're lucky.

00:40:02.600 --> 00:40:03.700
Nessie: Yeah, if you're lucky.

00:40:03.700 --> 00:40:06.900
Nessie: And an elephant lifespan is, do you know off the top of your head?

00:40:06.900 --> 00:40:07.620
Echo: I'm gonna guess.

00:40:08.100 --> 00:40:11.400
Echo: I'm not certain, but I would guess about 70 years old.

00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:14.020
Nessie: That's like a pretty good guess.

00:40:14.020 --> 00:40:15.220
Nessie: About 70.

00:40:15.220 --> 00:40:16.060
Echo: Woohoo.

00:40:16.060 --> 00:40:21.660
Echo: So in the past, I've had entire colonies of mice and they very rarely live past one year.

00:40:21.660 --> 00:40:23.700
Echo: So rats can live up to two years.

00:40:23.700 --> 00:40:25.700
Echo: I had a rat that was almost three.

00:40:25.700 --> 00:40:27.120
Nessie: Maybe I had them mixed up.

00:40:27.120 --> 00:40:30.000
Echo: But yeah, I love the tiny little creatures.

00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:32.160
Echo: But yeah, that seems about right.

00:40:32.160 --> 00:40:43.380
Nessie: I mean, to me, that seems crazy that that little Chihuahua tends to be like around for 21 years, and you have the Great Dane for eight, maybe.

00:40:43.380 --> 00:40:44.240
Echo: That's interesting.

00:40:44.240 --> 00:40:45.120
Nessie: I thought so too.

00:40:45.120 --> 00:40:48.740
Nessie: So speaking of interesting, I have a review for you.

00:40:48.740 --> 00:40:50.600
Nessie: It is for a book.

00:40:50.600 --> 00:40:51.400
Echo: I like books.

00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:55.020
Nessie: Available on Amazon for choosing the right dog breed for you.

00:40:55.020 --> 00:40:55.680
Echo: Okay.

00:40:55.680 --> 00:41:01.640
Nessie: Basically, I looked at the free sample of the book online where you can just see what the first couple of pages are.

00:41:02.260 --> 00:41:05.980
Nessie: And it was like a little blip of a paragraph.

00:41:05.980 --> 00:41:08.500
Nessie: And then it just goes right into a quiz.

00:41:08.500 --> 00:41:13.600
Nessie: So I didn't look far enough in to see if the end of the book has more helpful information.

00:41:13.600 --> 00:41:21.280
Nessie: It tells you in the description of the book that it is like basically a quiz to help you pick the right breed for your household or whatever.

00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:22.840
Echo: This is a book you have to buy?

00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:23.200
Echo: Yes.

00:41:23.200 --> 00:41:24.140
Echo: Okay.

00:41:24.140 --> 00:41:26.720
Nessie: It's only like maybe 15 pages.

00:41:26.720 --> 00:41:27.680
Nessie: It's not very long.

00:41:27.720 --> 00:41:30.740
Echo: If you see, it has a quiz for what dog breed is best for you on their website.

00:41:30.740 --> 00:41:32.000
Echo: Just go there.

00:41:33.580 --> 00:41:34.680
Nessie: Yeah.

00:41:34.680 --> 00:41:36.380
Nessie: Do you have a guy name for us?

00:41:36.380 --> 00:41:37.660
Echo: A guy name?

00:41:37.660 --> 00:41:39.720
Echo: How about Jake to the Bone?

00:41:39.720 --> 00:41:40.360
Nessie: Jake to the Bone?

00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:41.420
Echo: That's the name of the song.

00:41:41.420 --> 00:41:44.520
Nessie: I have a one-star review here from Jake to the Bone.

00:41:44.520 --> 00:41:45.320
Echo: There are no lyrics.

00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:47.140
Echo: It's just an instrumental song.

00:41:47.140 --> 00:41:49.800
Echo: So I don't have any words for you.

00:41:51.380 --> 00:41:53.140
Nessie: Can you hum it for us?

00:41:53.140 --> 00:41:53.900
Echo: Oof.

00:41:53.900 --> 00:41:54.780
Echo: Oh gosh.

00:41:54.780 --> 00:41:56.080
Echo: I wasn't prepared for this.

00:41:56.080 --> 00:41:57.180
Nessie: This is a big quiz.

00:41:57.560 --> 00:41:58.220
Nessie: Oh no.

00:41:58.220 --> 00:42:03.860
Nessie: Do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do do.

00:42:03.860 --> 00:42:04.600
Echo: I dig it.

00:42:04.600 --> 00:42:12.000
Nessie: This one star review by Jake said, not witty, not warm, not a real book.

00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.800
Nessie: I glanced at this booklet and I was shocked.

00:42:14.800 --> 00:42:16.600
Nessie: I'm still in shock.

00:42:16.600 --> 00:42:19.440
Nessie: This is not writing, this is not a book.

00:42:19.440 --> 00:42:20.580
Nessie: I'm so disappointed.

00:42:20.600 --> 00:42:25.920
Echo: It almost sounds like like an Asusian rhyme, except that it doesn't rhyme.

00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:28.400
Echo: I'm shocked.

00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:29.820
Echo: I'm still in shock.

00:42:29.820 --> 00:42:31.020
Echo: This isn't a book.

00:42:31.020 --> 00:42:32.720
Echo: My insides are shook.

00:42:36.420 --> 00:42:39.820
Echo: Look, I'm a little disappointed that the review is not in verse.

00:42:39.820 --> 00:42:40.300
Nessie: Right.

00:42:40.460 --> 00:42:42.740
Nessie: He missed a real good opportunity with that.

00:42:42.740 --> 00:42:43.560
Nessie: He did.

00:42:43.560 --> 00:42:55.740
Nessie: My thing is, he must have didn't read the blurb or get the sample version first before he downloaded the full book, because you would have known that it was not a book from that, and you would not still be in shock.

00:42:59.680 --> 00:43:01.720
Nessie: Do you think you found the right breed for him?

00:43:01.720 --> 00:43:08.380
Echo: Well, I mean, he seems a little anxious and panicky, so maybe the right breed for him is going to be an Australian shepherd or something.

00:43:08.380 --> 00:43:11.060
Nessie: You know, that's a pretty good assumption.

00:43:11.060 --> 00:43:17.860
Nessie: I was thinking along the lines of he doesn't seem to pay attention well to details.

00:43:20.040 --> 00:43:23.720
Nessie: I don't know why, but this was screaming Jack Russell to me.

00:43:26.160 --> 00:43:27.720
Nessie: It gives Jack Russell.

00:43:27.720 --> 00:43:35.320
Echo: Very impatient, very like, I see this thing, I want it, I'm going to go get it and not look at anything else that might tell me something different.

00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:36.460
Echo: That is very Jack Russell.

00:43:36.460 --> 00:43:37.620
Nessie: Didn't do his thing.

00:43:37.620 --> 00:43:41.840
Echo: That's, listen, that is one of the number one reasons why that is my favorite breed.

00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:45.000
Nessie: They do a thing and then they're like, oh, maybe that wasn't the best thing.

00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:46.600
Nessie: Let's try it again just in case.

00:43:46.600 --> 00:43:48.680
Nessie: This might have a different outcome.

00:43:48.680 --> 00:43:50.180
Echo: They just go for what they want.

00:43:50.180 --> 00:43:53.440
Nessie: I'm really sorry that didn't work out for you, Jake by the bones.

00:43:53.440 --> 00:43:54.620
Nessie: Jake has bones.

00:43:54.620 --> 00:43:55.220
Nessie: What?

00:43:55.220 --> 00:43:56.180
Echo: Jake to the bone.

00:43:56.180 --> 00:43:59.580
Echo: It's like bad to the bone, but it's Jake instead of bad.

00:43:59.580 --> 00:44:01.600
Nessie: Well, is Jake bad or not?

00:44:01.600 --> 00:44:01.960
Echo: I don't know.

00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:03.320
Echo: There are no words to tell us.

00:44:03.320 --> 00:44:06.580
Nessie: So we just have to go off of instinct.

00:44:06.580 --> 00:44:08.120
Echo: We just have to take a guess.

00:44:08.120 --> 00:44:09.460
Echo: It's a big old guessing game.

00:44:09.460 --> 00:44:10.780
Nessie: I'm going to say that he was.

00:44:10.780 --> 00:44:13.720
Echo: Yeah.

00:44:13.720 --> 00:44:14.400
Echo: All right.

00:44:14.400 --> 00:44:14.980
Nessie: All right.

00:44:14.980 --> 00:44:17.580
Echo: According to Carolina Veterinary Specialist.

00:44:17.600 --> 00:44:20.000
Nessie: Let's talk about hearts, baby.

00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.240
Nessie: That's the only tune I ever know in my head because it's our theme music.

00:44:23.240 --> 00:44:25.100
Echo: Yeah, that's a good one.

00:44:25.100 --> 00:44:29.600
Echo: Four out of the top 20 breeds are prone to cardiovascular conditions.

00:44:29.600 --> 00:44:32.700
Echo: We're just going to cover a couple of them here, like valvular disease.

00:44:32.700 --> 00:44:35.820
Echo: That occurs when the valves of the heart aren't working properly.

00:44:35.820 --> 00:44:42.180
Echo: The valves, simply put, are in place to prevent blood from flowing backwards.

00:44:42.180 --> 00:44:46.540
Echo: Cavaliers are one breed that is prone to degenerative valvular disease.

00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:52.560
Echo: Boxers actually have a disease that is named for them, Boxer cardiomyopathy.

00:44:52.560 --> 00:45:03.640
Echo: It's actually called Arithmogenic Right Ventricular Cardiomyopathy, and that just causes the heart to beat abnormally fast, making the heart unable to properly pump blood throughout the body.

00:45:03.640 --> 00:45:10.960
Echo: Dilated cardiomyopathy is another disease that also causes the heart to be unable to pump blood adequately through the whole body.

00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.960
Echo: Typically, that affects large breed dogs like Great Danes and Doberman Pinchers.

00:45:15.360 --> 00:45:21.400
Echo: So, heart disease, heart problems are a concern of some of our top 20 breeds.

00:45:21.400 --> 00:45:26.060
Echo: Cardiovascular issues, again, could be an entire episode on its own.

00:45:26.060 --> 00:45:34.260
Echo: So, we're kind of just touching on some of the just most superficial bits of some of these problems.

00:45:34.260 --> 00:45:47.560
Echo: According to Pet Insurance Review, a website that reviews the different types of pet insurances, but according to them, five of the top 10 dog breeds that are prone to diabetes are in our top 20.

00:45:47.560 --> 00:45:52.120
Echo: So, that would be poodles, dachshunds, labradors, beagles, and mini schnauzers.

00:45:52.120 --> 00:45:57.280
Nessie: Did they specify on the poodles if it was all poodles or like toy standard?

00:45:57.280 --> 00:45:59.080
Echo: It just said poodles.

00:45:59.080 --> 00:46:00.680
Nessie: I wonder if that plays a factor at all.

00:46:00.680 --> 00:46:02.860
Echo: Now, schnauzers, it says specifically are miniature.

00:46:02.860 --> 00:46:07.240
Echo: So, the giants and the standards are not in the top 10 breeds prone to diabetes.

00:46:08.080 --> 00:46:12.400
Echo: I feel like every time that we see a miniature schnauzer, they've got diabetes.

00:46:12.400 --> 00:46:15.440
Echo: It's not 100% accurate, but that's what it feels like.

00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:17.740
Echo: So, it's very common in my experience.

00:46:17.740 --> 00:46:21.180
Echo: A lot of our dogs on the top 20 also have eye issues.

00:46:21.180 --> 00:46:32.620
Echo: Among them, mentioned, you know, typically occur in brachycephalic breeds, like corneal ulcers, entropion, which is the rolling in of the eyelids so that the hair of the lid rubs against the cornea.

00:46:32.620 --> 00:46:35.820
Echo: Exposure issues like dryness and pigmentary keratitis.

00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:42.460
Echo: And that's just when the eyes are inflamed to the point that the body lays down pigment on the surface of the cornea as a protective layer.

00:46:42.460 --> 00:46:44.760
Echo: But that inevitably ends up blocking vision.

00:46:44.760 --> 00:46:50.960
Echo: German shepherds are prone to a disease called panus, which is an autoimmune disease where the body attacks the cornea.

00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:57.660
Echo: Beagles are genetically prone to glaucoma, which is where the fluid inside the eye isn't able to drain properly.

00:46:57.660 --> 00:47:02.680
Echo: So the pressure inside the eye builds up, and it damages the structures inside the eye.

00:47:02.680 --> 00:47:03.660
Echo: It causes blindness.

00:47:03.660 --> 00:47:04.380
Echo: It's very painful.

00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:06.420
Echo: Yorkies are prone to dry eye.

00:47:06.420 --> 00:47:15.360
Echo: Cane corsoes often have entropion and cherry eye, when the gland of the third eyelid prolapses, and it looks like a little cherry in the corner of the eye.

00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:20.800
Echo: So, I mean, all that to say, they're different illnesses and diseases that certain breeds are prone to.

00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:30.840
Echo: If you have those breeds, or if you're going to get a dog, look into the different types of illnesses and genetic diseases that they tend to get.

00:47:31.080 --> 00:47:32.240
Echo: Talk to your breeder.

00:47:32.240 --> 00:47:34.920
Echo: See if they've done OFA certifications.

00:47:34.920 --> 00:47:38.840
Nessie: As I was mentioning earlier, good breeding is expensive.

00:47:38.840 --> 00:47:48.740
Nessie: You know, if you are going to get a good quality purebred pet, you should expect that you're going to pay for that because there's a lot of testing and stuff that goes into assuring that quality.

00:47:48.740 --> 00:47:50.520
Nessie: Yeah.

00:47:50.520 --> 00:47:54.880
Nessie: So, I have a next door post for you.

00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:59.480
Nessie: And the people in your community respond and they post lost pets, those kind of things.

00:47:59.600 --> 00:48:01.560
Nessie: Your ring camera kind of has a version.

00:48:01.560 --> 00:48:02.960
Nessie: Do you have any more girl names?

00:48:02.960 --> 00:48:03.620
Nessie: Lorraine.

00:48:03.620 --> 00:48:07.560
Nessie: I have a post here from Lorraine.

00:48:07.560 --> 00:48:11.080
Nessie: It's almost over Lorraine.

00:48:11.080 --> 00:48:13.940
Nessie: Oh, I liked that one.

00:48:13.940 --> 00:48:16.220
Nessie: So Lorraine has pretty cute dog.

00:48:16.220 --> 00:48:17.140
Nessie: She posted a picture.

00:48:17.140 --> 00:48:20.380
Nessie: It does look a bit like a Rottweiler mix.

00:48:20.380 --> 00:48:22.020
Nessie: It doesn't look purebred to me.

00:48:22.020 --> 00:48:23.360
Nessie: We're eight months old.

00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:30.120
Nessie: Lorraine said, somebody's eight months old and recently discovered her big girl voice.

00:48:30.120 --> 00:48:36.300
Nessie: She surprised me three times with her big, deep chesty bark, making me jump.

00:48:36.300 --> 00:48:39.260
Nessie: The last time she was right behind me in the hallway.

00:48:39.260 --> 00:48:41.920
Nessie: Dang, there needed to change my jeans.

00:48:48.660 --> 00:48:49.400
Echo: That's funny.

00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:54.620
Echo: I mean, to be fair, when Chetney barks, I jump, because it is sudden and loud.

00:48:54.900 --> 00:48:56.840
Nessie: There was a response in here.

00:48:56.840 --> 00:48:59.900
Nessie: Basically, it was like, oh, that's a Rottweiler thing.

00:48:59.900 --> 00:49:01.020
Nessie: They love to do that.

00:49:01.020 --> 00:49:02.460
Nessie: She knows what she's doing.

00:49:02.460 --> 00:49:08.500
Nessie: But to the point where you pee yourself because your dog came up behind you in the hallway and barked at you, I feel like that...

00:49:08.500 --> 00:49:11.940
Echo: Yeah, that's a pretty extreme situation.

00:49:11.940 --> 00:49:15.300
Nessie: So with Chetney, he catches you off guard when he barks.

00:49:15.300 --> 00:49:16.920
Echo: I've never had to change my pants.

00:49:16.920 --> 00:49:17.760
Nessie: Yeah.

00:49:17.760 --> 00:49:22.100
Nessie: Well, I have, but not for the same reasons.

00:49:22.100 --> 00:49:23.460
Echo: I've never had to change my pants ever.

00:49:23.700 --> 00:49:25.620
Echo: I've been wearing the same pants since I was two.

00:49:25.620 --> 00:49:27.400
Nessie: So with that...

00:49:27.400 --> 00:49:29.060
Nessie: Um, amazing.

00:49:29.060 --> 00:49:30.560
Nessie: They have grown with you.

00:49:30.560 --> 00:49:32.940
Nessie: They must be stuck on you, like, painted this morning.

00:49:32.940 --> 00:49:34.460
Echo: They're elastic.

00:49:34.460 --> 00:49:37.140
Nessie: Mm-hmm.

00:49:37.140 --> 00:49:40.740
Nessie: Did you get yourself a pair of the Pet-tastic pants?

00:49:40.740 --> 00:49:41.800
Echo: The commercial was?

00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:45.420
Nessie: No, it was dogs that wear them, but they were indestructible pants.

00:49:45.420 --> 00:49:46.940
Echo: Indestructible, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:47.860
Nessie: You must have a...

00:49:47.860 --> 00:49:54.060
Nessie: Another website that I was looking into was the Nationwide Pet Health Zone.

00:49:54.060 --> 00:50:00.080
Nessie: So they are Nationwide's pet insurance, and they were gathering their claim statistics.

00:50:00.080 --> 00:50:05.660
Nessie: I took a couple of notes for what I thought was good points that they mentioned.

00:50:05.660 --> 00:50:09.980
Nessie: The expense of adopting a pure breed versus a mixed breed dog.

00:50:09.980 --> 00:50:10.420
Nessie: Sure.

00:50:10.420 --> 00:50:18.760
Nessie: As we mentioned, if you are going to get the good quality, tested, verified pure breed dog, you're going to pay for that.

00:50:18.760 --> 00:50:23.920
Nessie: Mixed breeds, you can generally get for free or for a small re-homing fee.

00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:27.460
Nessie: And that does not mean that you have a free dog.

00:50:27.460 --> 00:50:28.060
Nessie: Right.

00:50:28.060 --> 00:50:42.160
Nessie: Like, there's still medical care that has to be paid for, and there's no promise that, just because your dog was free today, doesn't account for future life costs, the food, the vet care, the toys, whatever.

00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:50.580
Nessie: The other thing they mentioned was going with a mixed breed is not supporting a puppy mill.

00:50:50.580 --> 00:50:54.320
Nessie: And so some of them are these backyard breeding puppy mills.

00:50:54.320 --> 00:51:05.200
Nessie: And the stocking quality is where a lot of our health problems are stemming from, because they are putting the same genetics back out there over and over again, because it's the money for them, right?

00:51:05.200 --> 00:51:08.000
Nessie: They didn't test and know that these dogs have the bad genetics.

00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:09.320
Nessie: They just know it looks good.

00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:12.240
Nessie: People are paying for their puppy and they're going to continue with that.

00:51:12.240 --> 00:51:12.840
Nessie: Yep.

00:51:12.840 --> 00:51:21.000
Nessie: Folks, I'm a big fan of trying to rescue first, though you never know the temperament or what the dog's been through that you're rescuing.

00:51:21.000 --> 00:51:22.140
Echo: Yeah.

00:51:22.160 --> 00:51:24.720
Nessie: A little bit of training and patience can go a long way.

00:51:24.720 --> 00:51:27.420
Nessie: You did kind of know what Tetany was going to be like when you rescued him.

00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:28.020
Nessie: I did.

00:51:28.020 --> 00:51:28.900
Echo: He was a bad boy.

00:51:28.900 --> 00:51:30.540
Nessie: He was a bad boy and I knew it.

00:51:30.540 --> 00:51:37.620
Echo: I knew really that he was just a grumpy, kind of old, crispy allergy dog.

00:51:37.620 --> 00:51:38.320
Echo: That's really all I knew.

00:51:38.580 --> 00:51:45.720
Echo: When I adopted him, I got a letter from his previous owner that detailed the circumstances of why she had to give him up.

00:51:45.720 --> 00:51:49.820
Echo: One thing she said was that he does not like to share food.

00:51:49.820 --> 00:51:51.700
Echo: He'll bite for that.

00:51:51.700 --> 00:51:53.520
Echo: And he doesn't like his nails trimmed.

00:51:53.520 --> 00:51:55.420
Echo: The rest of it, I just had to find out.

00:51:55.420 --> 00:52:00.640
Nessie: You did have a lot more going into it than some people do, which was an advantage.

00:52:00.640 --> 00:52:06.700
Nessie: And you knew going into it that he was going to be a grumpy guy and that it was something that you were prepared to handle.

00:52:07.300 --> 00:52:15.200
Echo: I specifically wanted an old, grumpy, grouchy, naughty monster.

00:52:15.200 --> 00:52:18.000
Nessie: Of course, we are fans of adoption.

00:52:20.860 --> 00:52:32.620
Nessie: But I also get where if you're in a family with children, the risk of bringing in an adopted dog where you don't know the background could be life-changing, right?

00:52:32.620 --> 00:52:38.880
Nessie: So I can see where in those cases, you want to go with a bred dog where you can know the background.

00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:40.500
Echo: And you can get them from puppyhood.

00:52:40.500 --> 00:52:42.180
Nessie: I can see both sides.

00:52:42.180 --> 00:52:46.860
Nessie: Both of mine, I got as puppies off of Craigslist, they're mixes.

00:52:46.860 --> 00:52:57.360
Nessie: One lady I traded cleaning chemicals for, and when I went to get him, my black labatilla, the lady asked if I could bring cleaning chemicals.

00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:01.140
Nessie: The puppy was too young to be going, but she was done with having them.

00:53:01.140 --> 00:53:03.200
Nessie: He was five weeks old, and it was too much work.

00:53:03.200 --> 00:53:05.740
Nessie: And I was like, well, I'll take a five week old dog.

00:53:06.060 --> 00:53:07.220
Nessie: He's young, I know.

00:53:07.220 --> 00:53:09.340
Nessie: I knew what I was getting into when I went to get him.

00:53:09.340 --> 00:53:11.840
Nessie: So in my eyes, I was safe in him.

00:53:11.840 --> 00:53:14.880
Nessie: So I went and I traded her a bunch of cleaning chemicals.

00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:15.780
Echo: I show up.

00:53:15.780 --> 00:53:16.380
Echo: How strange.

00:53:16.380 --> 00:53:23.200
Nessie: She answers the door, and she's got a dirty diaper in one hand, and a toddler, like a baby in the other.

00:53:23.200 --> 00:53:25.540
Nessie: I was like, hi, I'm here for the puppy.

00:53:25.540 --> 00:53:29.240
Nessie: And she was like, okay, can you either take this diaper or this kid?

00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:32.000
Nessie: For a second, and I was like, no.

00:53:32.000 --> 00:53:34.920
Nessie: She's like, well, then you're going to have to come in and grab the puppy yourself.

00:53:34.920 --> 00:53:36.020
Nessie: That's a better option.

00:53:36.020 --> 00:53:37.880
Nessie: She seemed to be the only person home.

00:53:37.880 --> 00:53:43.360
Nessie: It is, but I'm not one that just wants to walk into a stranger's home, right?

00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:44.720
Nessie: It wasn't the best area.

00:53:44.720 --> 00:53:49.900
Nessie: And I'm willingly like, yes, I will come into your house and collect a puppy from you.

00:53:49.940 --> 00:53:52.660
Nessie: Why didn't you set the diaper down before you answered the door?

00:53:52.660 --> 00:53:56.240
Echo: Yeah, why didn't you throw it away on your way to answer the door?

00:53:56.240 --> 00:53:57.140
Echo: That's strange to me.

00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:02.220
Nessie: Could you just not leave it where you change the diaper and be like, cool, I'll get that in a second after I handle this first?

00:54:02.220 --> 00:54:02.740
Echo: Yeah.

00:54:02.740 --> 00:54:05.680
Nessie: To think that I was going to be like, yes, I'll take this diaper for you.

00:54:05.680 --> 00:54:06.920
Echo: That's no.

00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:09.120
Nessie: Or I don't mind, I'll hold your kid.

00:54:09.120 --> 00:54:10.320
Echo: Mm-mm.

00:54:10.320 --> 00:54:11.400
Echo: Also bad option.

00:54:11.400 --> 00:54:14.040
Nessie: Or I traded him for some bleach and some Lysol.

00:54:14.040 --> 00:54:15.440
Echo: That is crazy to me.

00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:16.200
Echo: It is.

00:54:16.200 --> 00:54:17.800
Echo: But he ended up being a good choice.

00:54:17.800 --> 00:54:18.640
Nessie: I love him.

00:54:18.640 --> 00:54:20.040
Nessie: He's real laid back now.

00:54:20.040 --> 00:54:20.960
Nessie: How old is he now?

00:54:20.960 --> 00:54:22.940
Nessie: I believe he's 10 or 11.

00:54:22.940 --> 00:54:23.420
Echo: Yeah.

00:54:23.420 --> 00:54:23.980
Echo: How old is he now?

00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:24.980
Nessie: Nine.

00:54:24.980 --> 00:54:29.940
Nessie: She has to like have herself on a person or on him.

00:54:29.940 --> 00:54:35.580
Nessie: Like her face needs to be laying on one of us in some way or else it's a no go.

00:54:35.580 --> 00:54:37.840
Nessie: She feels like she's been deserted.

00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:38.740
Nessie: Nobody loves her.

00:54:38.740 --> 00:54:40.320
Nessie: She can't have a cuddle.

00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:41.020
Echo: It's funny.

00:54:41.020 --> 00:54:42.200
Nessie: She's very needy.

00:54:42.200 --> 00:54:42.480
Nessie: Okay.

00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:43.500
Nessie: I need a boy name.

00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:44.440
Echo: I've got St.

00:54:44.440 --> 00:54:44.940
Echo: George.

00:54:44.940 --> 00:54:48.780
Nessie: I have another next door post from St.

00:54:48.780 --> 00:54:49.320
Nessie: George.

00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:53.440
Nessie: Does anybody have any IV supply for my friend's dog?

00:54:53.540 --> 00:54:55.120
Nessie: They can donate.

00:54:55.120 --> 00:54:57.220
Nessie: She's sad because her dog is sick.

00:54:57.220 --> 00:55:00.520
Nessie: And I have a response from Tijuana.

00:55:00.520 --> 00:55:03.460
Nessie: And she said, You mean to donate blood for your dog?

00:55:03.460 --> 00:55:05.720
Nessie: I'm willing to offer if my dog can help.

00:55:05.720 --> 00:55:12.440
Nessie: This is a neighborhood post where he's looking for IV supplies and one person's offering up her dog's blood.

00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:14.080
Echo: I don't know what to do with that.

00:55:14.080 --> 00:55:17.820
Echo: Do you ever just draw blood from a dog and then give it to the owners and they can take it?

00:55:17.820 --> 00:55:20.220
Nessie: No, no, we don't either.

00:55:20.220 --> 00:55:21.640
Nessie: I don't think anybody does.

00:55:21.640 --> 00:55:32.160
Echo: I don't even know who it would be through, but there are places you can allow your dog to donate blood for emergency, to take care of patients that need transfusions or something.

00:55:32.160 --> 00:55:33.640
Echo: But that's really weird.

00:55:33.640 --> 00:55:34.440
Echo: It is weird.

00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:41.440
Nessie: When I first was reading it, he was looking for IV stuff for a sick dog.

00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:47.200
Nessie: And so my first thing was he's looking for someone to donate him some IV fluids that he's going to give at home.

00:55:47.200 --> 00:55:48.260
Echo: That's my thought.

00:55:48.260 --> 00:55:53.100
Nessie: We send home patients with sub-Q fluids and stuff sometimes, and we teach them how to do it at home.

00:55:53.100 --> 00:55:56.600
Nessie: But we've never once, like, how are you going to get your IV in, sir?

00:55:56.600 --> 00:55:57.940
Nessie: Like, first of all.

00:55:57.940 --> 00:56:03.880
Nessie: But then to read that as another human being and be like, oh, he must need my dog's blood.

00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:05.100
Nessie: How can I get it to you?

00:56:05.100 --> 00:56:06.440
Echo: I don't like that.

00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.740
Nessie: It's a lot of misunderstanding and a lot of go to a vet.

00:56:09.740 --> 00:56:10.460
Nessie: You need a vet.

00:56:10.460 --> 00:56:11.740
Nessie: I get that vets are expensive.

00:56:11.780 --> 00:56:13.400
Nessie: Those are where that can work with you.

00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:18.460
Nessie: Oh, I've seen plenty of posts on here with people asking for people to help them with their vet bills.

00:56:18.460 --> 00:56:24.880
Nessie: Like, and they'll be like, tell us what veterinarian your pet is at and I'll make a donation to them for your case or whatever.

00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:25.700
Echo: Yes, I've seen that as well.

00:56:25.700 --> 00:56:26.780
Nessie: Even that.

00:56:26.780 --> 00:56:30.480
Nessie: But instead, he's like, anybody got some IV stuff?

00:56:30.480 --> 00:56:30.920
Nessie: What?

00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:36.980
Echo: Maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about and he thinks that the terms he's using are correct.

00:56:36.980 --> 00:56:39.020
Nessie: That's probably best case scenario.

00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:43.040
Nessie: It concerns me because this is my neighborhood group.

00:56:43.040 --> 00:56:44.780
Echo: Oh, this is local to you?

00:56:45.420 --> 00:56:46.940
Nessie: I am amongst...

00:56:46.940 --> 00:56:47.690
Echo: I did not catch that...

00:56:47.690 --> 00:56:47.690
Nessie: .

00:56:47.690 --> 00:56:48.560
Nessie: these people.

00:56:48.560 --> 00:56:49.080
Echo: Oof.

00:56:49.080 --> 00:56:50.700
Nessie: And so it is concerning.

00:56:50.700 --> 00:56:51.420
Echo: Yikes.

00:56:51.420 --> 00:56:55.480
Nessie: The other one from Nextdoor, you will enjoy, it's chicken related.

00:56:55.480 --> 00:56:56.620
Nessie: Oh, yeah.

00:56:56.620 --> 00:56:58.340
Nessie: This is an anonymous neighbor.

00:56:58.340 --> 00:57:00.980
Nessie: They don't have a name, so we can give them a name.

00:57:00.980 --> 00:57:01.780
Echo: Holy Anna.

00:57:01.780 --> 00:57:04.520
Nessie: I have a neighborhood post for Holy Anna.

00:57:05.220 --> 00:57:09.760
Nessie: Holy Anna, Holy Anna.

00:57:11.080 --> 00:57:15.440
Nessie: This chicken showed up at my house two weeks ago and hasn't left.

00:57:15.440 --> 00:57:17.200
Nessie: I've been feeding it.

00:57:17.200 --> 00:57:23.180
Nessie: The owner said two days ago it was hers and that she'd come tomorrow, but she hasn't.

00:57:23.180 --> 00:57:25.020
Nessie: They obviously don't want it.

00:57:25.020 --> 00:57:27.420
Nessie: Anybody want it for a pet and not for dinner?

00:57:27.420 --> 00:57:31.760
Echo: That's nice to have a very friendly chicken as a pet and not for dinner.

00:57:32.620 --> 00:57:35.920
Echo: You can't give away someone else's property, though.

00:57:40.040 --> 00:57:47.500
Nessie: He likes that they specified, like, I'm willing to rehome this lady's chicken, but you can't eat it.

00:57:47.500 --> 00:57:49.680
Nessie: Like, it has to be a pet only.

00:57:49.680 --> 00:57:50.880
Echo: It's very considerate.

00:57:50.880 --> 00:57:53.380
Echo: Why not just give the chicken back to the owner?

00:57:53.380 --> 00:57:58.200
Echo: Like, I get that the owner hasn't come to pick it up, or like, go give it to the owner.

00:57:58.200 --> 00:57:58.720
Nessie: Yeah.

00:57:58.720 --> 00:58:00.280
Nessie: Girl, go get your chicken back.

00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:01.340
Nessie: He's trying to give it away.

00:58:01.580 --> 00:58:11.460
Echo: Maybe Holy Anna thought that the person who owned the chicken was on the neighborhood page and would see that and be like, oh, I need to come get my chicken now.

00:58:11.460 --> 00:58:17.300
Nessie: Well, she has not, and there's a lot of people on here interested in getting the chicken.

00:58:18.600 --> 00:58:23.860
Nessie: One person responded with, I have six Rhode Island red hens already.

00:58:23.860 --> 00:58:24.660
Nessie: Sorry.

00:58:24.660 --> 00:58:28.540
Nessie: Which felt like you didn't even have to post at that point if you're not willing to help.

00:58:28.540 --> 00:58:30.400
Nessie: We don't care how many hens you already have.

00:58:30.980 --> 00:58:32.040
Echo: And what breed they are.

00:58:32.040 --> 00:58:35.140
Nessie: Oh gosh, I have chickens, but thanks.

00:58:35.140 --> 00:58:39.060
Nessie: Someone else said, there's a lot of chickens running around in this neighborhood.

00:58:39.060 --> 00:58:40.560
Nessie: You can come get all of them too.

00:58:40.560 --> 00:58:41.380
Echo: Helpful.

00:58:41.380 --> 00:58:43.180
Nessie: Those are probably somebody else's chicken.

00:58:43.180 --> 00:58:43.620
Echo: Yeah.

00:58:43.680 --> 00:58:46.800
Nessie: If you're running all around the neighborhood, that seems wild.

00:58:46.800 --> 00:58:52.420
Nessie: Like you don't know where I live, but I live kind of in the ghetto a little bit, right?

00:58:52.420 --> 00:58:56.040
Nessie: There's no farmland around me, if you will.

00:58:56.040 --> 00:58:58.780
Nessie: So where all these chickens are living, I don't-

00:58:59.020 --> 00:58:59.780
Echo: Backyards.

00:58:59.780 --> 00:59:01.220
Nessie: We don't have big backyards.

00:59:01.220 --> 00:59:04.040
Nessie: It's a weird area to just be like, folks got chickens.

00:59:04.040 --> 00:59:05.200
Echo: Yeah, no kidding.

00:59:05.200 --> 00:59:05.540
Echo: All right.

00:59:05.540 --> 00:59:08.560
Nessie: So let's do your wrap up question.

00:59:08.560 --> 00:59:26.260
Echo: My wrap up question was if you could, like not even thinking about what pets you have or anything like that, but like your ideal dog, would it be, you know, a specific breed, or would you want a mix and have like this characteristic from this breed and this characteristics from this breed?

00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:31.760
Echo: Like would you want to like build your own mix breed, or would you want any specific pure breed?

00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:32.980
Echo: What's your ideal dog?

00:59:32.980 --> 00:59:37.460
Nessie: If I'm being honest, I am a really big fan of Labradors.

00:59:37.460 --> 00:59:42.180
Nessie: I think that they are a very smart, very cute, very goofy breed.

00:59:42.180 --> 00:59:44.300
Nessie: Like it's hard to move away from them.

00:59:44.300 --> 00:59:51.980
Nessie: But I think I am a big fan after meeting Pixel and Graces of Border Collies.

00:59:51.980 --> 00:59:54.400
Nessie: With the right kind of owners, they're really kind of cool.

00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:57.160
Nessie: So, maybe a Labrachale.

00:59:57.160 --> 00:59:57.900
Echo: Very nice.

00:59:57.900 --> 00:59:58.400
Echo: Yeah.

00:59:58.400 --> 00:59:59.540
Nessie: What about you?

00:59:59.540 --> 01:00:01.440
Echo: I would go Jack Russell all the way.

01:00:01.440 --> 01:00:04.280
Echo: That is my absolute favorite breed.

01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:05.700
Echo: I've never had a pure breed.

01:00:05.700 --> 01:00:09.620
Echo: I've only ever had a Jack Russell mix at any given time.

01:00:09.620 --> 01:00:14.440
Echo: And from the moment I had my first Jack Russell mix, it was like set in the stars.

01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:23.080
Echo: I do not ever want to be without a Jack Russell or a Jack Russell mix, because they're tiny, but they are absolutely insane animals.

01:00:23.560 --> 01:00:28.380
Echo: And they are hyperprotective and they are fearless, and I love them.

01:00:28.380 --> 01:00:30.220
Echo: They're insanely loyal.

01:00:30.220 --> 01:00:33.480
Echo: I just think that they're full of sass.

01:00:33.480 --> 01:00:37.240
Echo: They're full of like demon terror behavior.

01:00:37.240 --> 01:00:38.540
Echo: I like the crazies.

01:00:38.540 --> 01:00:39.600
Echo: I like the bad dogs.

01:00:39.600 --> 01:00:40.980
Nessie: I can see that.

01:00:40.980 --> 01:00:47.640
Nessie: Well, I hope we didn't deter anybody from any specific mixed breed or pure breed kind of deal.

01:00:47.640 --> 01:00:49.180
Nessie: That wasn't the intention of this.

01:00:49.180 --> 01:00:54.780
Nessie: Just to educate you on some of the issues that are out there when you choose either side.

01:00:54.780 --> 01:00:56.860
Nessie: You know, we have our bibliography.

01:00:56.860 --> 01:01:04.540
Nessie: If you want to check in on our resources that we use, we have a Facebook, Instagram, and email.

01:01:04.540 --> 01:01:08.980
Nessie: We have an AI song called Pet Love, No Snow Breeze.

01:01:09.020 --> 01:01:13.000
Nessie: We'll see you on the flip side with a new episode soon.

01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:14.320
Nessie: Happy 2025!

01:01:14.320 --> 01:01:14.620
Echo: Bye!

01:03:15.400 --> 01:03:20.440
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