Let's Talk About Pets

In this hilarious and insightful episode, we team up with special guest Dr. Stacey Beddoe to tackle some of the worst (and funniest) pet advice found online. From bizarre myths to questionable "experts," we dive into the world of bad pet advice and discuss why it's important to separate fact from fiction. Join us for a lively conversation as we laugh at some truly comical interpretations, all while putting a fun spin on a serious topic—ensuring the best for our furry friends. Bad advice? Not on our watch! Let's talk about bad pet advice, baby! Our socials: Email us at letstalk@petliferadio.com, find us on social media facebook.com/PodcastLetsTalkAboutPets  Instagram Talk_Pets_With_Us

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BIO:

Dr Stacey Beddoe is from the heart of Missouri. She is a 2004 graduate from University of MO’s veterinary school and purchased her first practice in Jefferson City in 2007. Together with her husband being the overall manager, she grew and expanded until she decided to sell to recently relocate (Feb 2024) to the beautiful Emerald Coastal area to enjoy a new chapter of life. The loves of her life are her two Frenchies, Frankie and Frannie. She loves to travel, hike, and snorkel. She is excited and ready to offer her 20+ yrs of experience to benefit the health of Destin’s pet community!

Transcript:

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Announcer: This is Pet Life Radio.

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Announcer: Let's Talk Pets.

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Nessie: Hey, pet friends.

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Nessie: Welcome back to another episode of Let's Talk About Pets.

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Nessie: Today, we have a special guest with us, Dr.

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Nessie: Stacey Beddoe.

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Nessie: She was born and raised in Missouri and purchased her first companion animal practice in 2007.

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Nessie: After outgrowing her facility pretty quickly, she built a new 7,500 square foot facility in 2013.

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Nessie: As her practice continued to grow, it went from a two-doctor practice to a six-doctor practice, and she bought a second one in 2020.

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Nessie: In 2022, she sold both of her practices and is now enjoying a semi-retired life here in Florida.

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Nessie: Doing some part-time relief work, Dr.

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Nessie: Beddoe has been happily married for 23 years.

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Nessie: She has a two-year-old Frenchie named Franny.

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Nessie: Let's welcome her to our show.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's good to be here.

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Nessie: I'm so glad you could join us for Bad Pet Advice.

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Nessie: It's usually found online, but not always.

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Nessie: I'm sure you have experience with that over the years.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I've had a few suggestions from clients and people.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Yeah, yeah.

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Nessie: I found an interesting study by the US.

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Nessie: Pet Market Outlook for 2021 and 2022 about the most important sources of information people look for when they have questions about their pets.

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Nessie: And it says about 60% ask their veterinarian for advice.

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Nessie: The other 40% are saying they go off of past experiences, other pet owners, that includes family or friends, and websites, which is good old Dr.

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Nessie: Google.

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Nessie: While only 60% are coming to the professionals for advice, the rest are asking their uncle's cousin who had a dog with that one problem that one time 10 years ago.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Yeah, breeders.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Breeders would be another one that usually trumps veterinarians.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We actually had a meme poster to kind of keep the attitude light on this subject in the treatment room in the hospital that I used to own.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It said, clients going to breeders for veterinary advices, like women going to pimps for gynecological advice.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And it's true.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Sometimes it's hard to keep a straight face when the client is armed with how the breeder told them to take care of their puppy when we are the experts of all breeds, but breeders feel like they're the expert of their breed.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So those are always entertaining.

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Nessie: I do like that you guys could make light of that fact just because you cannot escape it.

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Nessie: You might as well put a little positive spin on it, just something to help you guys get through the day, you know?

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Yeah, absolutely.

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Nessie: I enjoy that.

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Nessie: I do have a story to share.

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Nessie: An example of some bad pet vice that actually kind of happened recently.

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Nessie: We had a Yorkie come in, a little tiny kid about six years old, presenting to us because, well, mom had been putting some ivermectin drops in his eyes because she was under the impression that was the way to treat cataracts.

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Nessie: So when she was not seeing results from the drops in the eyes, as she was expecting to see a significant improvement, she figured she would go ahead and up her dosaging.

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Nessie: And by up her dosaging, I mean, she decided to go ahead and give two tablespoons of ivermectin by mouth, which unfortunately has an undesired outcome.

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Nessie: Ivermectin is very potent and needless to say, this was not the solution for treating cataracts.

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Nessie: And good example of how getting your information from your dad's cousin's grandpa, uncle, somebody may not have the best outcome for you.

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Nessie: Yeah.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I feel like COVID really catapulted the uses of ivermectin out the ceiling.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I had all kinds of people contacting me.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I had my own uncle contacting me to try to get some black market ivermectin for COVID protection.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I can in good conscience do that for you guys.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I think what clients really need to understand is the amount of guilt.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If you are wrong, if the advice that you're getting is not correct, and you're causing permanent damage or death, are you willing to handle that guilt?

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That's where my heart goes to in that situation.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I mean, unfortunately, it took that experience probably for her to be more aware, a little bit more cynical about the advice that she gets.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So, what I hope that listeners come away with is you can seriously harm your pet with, wherever the advice is coming from, can seriously harm your pet.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Don't jump into an action that may give you consequences that you're not signing up to endure, because it can be seriously dangerous.

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Nessie: An important takeaway is because you saw it on Facebook or you Googled it doesn't necessarily mean it's safe or good advice.

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Nessie: So, speaking of Facebook advice, I actually have a post for you.

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Nessie: Though there may be some truth behind it, I don't think it's readily recommended by the veterinary community.

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Nessie: It says that cats can drink seawater or saltwater, basically unlike a human or a dog can.

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Nessie: They have kidneys that filter out the salt and use the water content to hydrate their bodies.

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Nessie: Now, I know cats originated as like a desert type species, and don't necessarily require as much water as other species, though they do develop more kidney issues due to this lack of water later on in life.

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Nessie: I don't doubt that they could filter out more saltwater than say we could, but I don't think you should just go get a bowl of beach water for your sassy cat and be like, okay, here's some water for today, and you drink like water out of a bottle or something.

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Nessie: It doesn't equal out if you would.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: A girl coming from Missouri, we didn't really have salt toxicity cases.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Just being in Florida for a year, working part-time, mind you, already been involved with salt toxicities.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So the seawater is a real deal and it's a real threat.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So that is disheartening to know that's out there circulating.

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Nessie: And they put it out there like a fun fact, like about cats that may be kind of dangerous of a fact actually.

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Nessie: So just be careful where you're getting your information from.

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Nessie: If you are looking for good advice sources online, on this show, we're typically recommending Veterinary Partner.

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Nessie: It's a website where you're going to find articles written by board-certified veterinarians, specifically for pet owners without all the medical jargon.

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Nessie: Did you have some resources that you use when you're trying to offer educational options for your clients?

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I had a client in her late 20s, early 30s, and she's doing a great job taking care of her ancient chihuahua.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I'm saying ancient is 18 years old and still doing pretty well on some heart medicine, but overall, I'm trucking with life pretty well.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And she just kept using this buzzword on research.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I've done research on this injection.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I've done research on this medication.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I was like, where are you researching?

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And it ended up she was on Reddit.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: When you're doing your research on a platform where anybody and everybody can say whatever they want and they don't have to back it up, you can really get down in some really bad rabbit holes.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And good research is not hard to do on the internet, but you do need to make sure that the author of these articles are DVM, you know, certified veterinarians.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If you're looking up nutrition, making sure that veterinarian is board certified in nutrition or corporate hospitals, they do a great job of posting informative articles on their hospital website.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If you're wanting to know about diabetes and insulin, you can usually find articles from corporate veterinary hospitals written by one of their medical directors or one of their doctors, and they usually provide really good information.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Anything that's been stamped with approval with the AVMA, making sure that you know who is writing whatever you're looking at is really, really important, because if it just says Jane Smith with no credentials, no bio, she just shows up one day, decides to, let's say, make pet food for a living, like that's a red flag.

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Nessie: Well, she knows because she used to breed dogs, obviously.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Right, and she has her own dog, like farmer's dog is a perfect example.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I looked up the bio on the guy from farmer's dog, and his story is heart-ripping.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: He woke up one day, had a dog, and was like, you know what?

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I'm gonna make dog food that my dog will eat.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That's it.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It was genuine.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I mean, it's coming from a good heart.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But as far as any type of scientific knowledge, he has zero.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's just, well, I want to feed something that's not processed and that my dog will eat.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Dogs will eat a lot of things, including each other's poop.

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Nessie: Do the research for the appropriate nutrients that a pet food should contain.

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Nessie: Maybe your dog is gonna eat it, and that's great.

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Nessie: Like, a palatable food is important.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Correct.

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Nessie: But what it could be lacking is nutrients that may be needed.

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Nessie: It may lead to health issues down the line.

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Nessie: Those things that say veterinary improved on them really just means a vet at some point was like, yeah, I approve that.

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Nessie: To me, one vet one time is not enough for you to trust a product.

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Nessie: Saying veterinary approved must mean it's safe in a lot of owners' heads.

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Nessie: But hold on, that's not necessarily true.

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Nessie: It does deserve a little bit more research before you go ahead with it.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Correct.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: A lot of people think, well, veterinarians are doctors, so they just make a ton of money.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: New grads are making more than I did starting out 25 years ago.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But for the most part, we have bills and we need money.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Nowadays, there is these food companies, just like, you know, celebrities get bombarded with merchandise that they can sell for them.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Companies are coming to these veterinarians and saying, hey, I'll give you $25,000 if you tell people my product is good, and I can put your name on my product.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: When it's just one or two veterinarians, and they clearly are paid for their advertisement or their support, it kind of waters down the validity of what they're saying.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Just like people are paid for their endorsements, veterinarians can fall under that same temptation of making a quick $20,000 or $15,000 to say a product is good when they really don't know it's good.

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Nessie: So, I asked the people of Facebook to share their bad pet advice stories.

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Nessie: I mean, stuff that they've been told or things that they've seen online or out and about.

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Nessie: A really great resource for this actually was groomers.

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Nessie: They hear it all.

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Nessie: And I can vouch for that because I was a groomer for 11 years and I too heard my fair share of bad advice.

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Nessie: I did receive some great stories I can't wait to share with you.

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Nessie: So Nicole Nagler spelled N-A-U-G-L-E-R from Facebook.

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Nessie: I am so sorry if I said that wrong.

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Nessie: I'm not the greatest at pronouncing names.

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Nessie: As a groomer, someone called and asked how to kill the fleas on her dog's head.

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Nessie: She said her friend told her to wrap the dog's body in plastic bags to suffocate the fleas, but she didn't want to put the bag over the dog's head, which by the way, I'm glad she didn't.

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Nessie: This would have been a different situation all together.

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Nessie: She was just wondering what to do to kill the ones that were on the head.

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Nessie: And so what my first instinct here is to say, okay girl, I need you to stop what you're doing and take your dog out of the bag.

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Nessie: Because you know, at this point she already put her dog in the bag, and now she's seeing the fleas on the head, and she's like, oh, what do I do now?

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Nessie: So let's start with stop everything, and let your dog out of the bag.

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Nessie: You know what I mean?

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You know, we live in such a day and age that flea prevention is such an easy thing.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It amazes me that people make it harder than what it should be.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: When I first started practice, the only prevention that I had at my disposal was frontline.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It was really it.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Maybe some flea callers.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And so people were really doing the dawn baths and trying to drown the fleas.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Part of it was ignorance on the flea life cycle and knowing how many eggs have dropped off into the environment and that it's only half the battle taking care of the fleas that you can see.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There's millions of fleas in another life stage.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And in the pupa stage, there's nothing that can keep them.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So it's amazing to me we have such great once a month oral preventions now, and people refuse to do it the easy way.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Maybe because of expense, they think that they're going to find the cheaper alternative with the plastic bags.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I've seen they've tried to dry coconut oil or castor oil or a tobacco product.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I've had one client put smokeless tobacco topically on their pet.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Most of the time when they've done that, I would usually tell people, guys, if it was that easy, then these flea companies would not be making millions of dollars on their flea prevention.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If everyone can just go get some skull and plow their dogs back, like why would there be a market for these once a month orals?

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And usually the clients go, I think you maybe have a point.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They kind of see the truth in the madness.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: My own personal OBGYN, Lover.f, she thought she was going to save a few bucks by getting some more of the counter flea prevention.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And she spent triple what she would have on an emergency visit one night while all three cats were seizing out of control from the over-the-counter flea prevention.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So I'm giving them muscle relaxers.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I'm trying to decontaminate them.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And she puts her arm around me and goes, it looks like the cats are being killed more than the fleas, because the fleas were doing fine.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Like they were just having a good time.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And these cats are not conscious and they're violently seizing.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And she bought flea prevention from me for the rest of the time.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Our temptation of wanting to find something she thought that works the same.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But I'm here to tell you, there's just not an easier way than once a month prescription oral prevention.

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Nessie: Really spending the money for proper prevention is so worth it.

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Nessie: Especially here in the south, where the bugs, the fleas, you know, all the things, mosquitoes, they are abundant.

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Nessie: It's like the best environment for them.

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Nessie: A piece of mind that comes from not having to battle a flea infestation is definitely worth that one pill a month or one application to the bathroom.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So Lily Gray, I had a guy who had 19 cats.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And then every year told me I never had a flea problem.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I can't afford flea prevention for 19 cats.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I was like, yeah, I mean, I get it.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I try to give them all the discounts and the coupons and the rebates.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: One year in the fall, all 19 cats got fleas and it was a mess.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So yeah, just because it hasn't happened before does not mean it cannot happen.

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Nessie: Next up, I actually have a review for a product called Veterinary Formula Clinical Ear Care Therapy Cat and Dog Ear Cleanser to help soothe itchiness, clean the ear canal, and debris buildup.

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Nessie: It is an eight ounce bottle.

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Nessie: I have a one star review for verified purchase from, let's see, we're going to go with Thompson.

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Nessie: That feels right.

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Nessie: I don't really know.

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Nessie: Anyway, Thompson said tiny bottle worked for one ear, and he continued to say, waste of money, use a hose.

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Nessie: Exclamation mark, exclamation mark.

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Nessie: Thinking about this, the size of an ear canal, I just don't think an ear canal even comes close to holding eight ounces of any liquid in there at once.

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Nessie: So I think that using one bottle on one ear feels excessive.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I mean, he does have a good point where, I know early in my career, I was under-flushing ears.

00:16:27.540 --> 00:16:30.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They do need a lot of volume to flush out.

00:16:30.660 --> 00:16:43.320
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So I will say that there is maybe a little bit of a half an ounce of truth in his review, but if he's just using ear flush without knowing what kind of secondary infection he's got, a lot of times there's an underlying allergy.

00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:54.980
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So needing to know what the cause of the ear infection is more the chunk of the success than just what you use and the amount that you use.

00:16:55.280 --> 00:16:59.260
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I was giving him the benefit of the doubt that he was being superlative.

00:16:59.260 --> 00:17:03.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: This is how bad this product is when your garden hose works better.

00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:05.540
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I'm hoping that that is what he means.

00:17:05.540 --> 00:17:08.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I hope he's not being serious, but he might be.

00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:12.520
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I have had people put some really crazy things in dog's ears.

00:17:12.520 --> 00:17:22.740
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I've had them put oral antibiotics, that good old-fashioned castor oil for ear mites and tea tree oils, and it really does a good job burning the crap out of the ear lining.

00:17:22.740 --> 00:17:27.220
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I've had a few people come in for emergency Q-tip removal.

00:17:27.220 --> 00:17:31.700
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Some people drop their Q-tip down too far and couldn't get it right back out.

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Nessie: I can totally see that.

00:17:32.880 --> 00:17:41.500
Nessie: When I was a grooming instructor, I was always teaching my students and telling owners that they have no business getting in their pet's ear with a Q-tip.

00:17:41.860 --> 00:17:45.880
Nessie: They're risking breaking off and causing some type of injury.

00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:51.240
Nessie: Probably not a ruptured eardrum due to the dog's ear canal being in an L shape, but it is possible.

00:17:51.240 --> 00:17:58.220
Nessie: Like, you don't want to risk it and causing some trauma to the inside of the ear canal because you're irritating that sensitive skin down there.

00:17:58.220 --> 00:17:59.640
Nessie: Yeah, yeah.

00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:06.120
Nessie: So, as an owner or a non-veterinary professional, you really shouldn't just be digging in a dog's ear with Q-tips.

00:18:06.120 --> 00:18:11.040
Nessie: If a Q-tip action is needed, I suggest letting a veterinary professional handle it.

00:18:11.580 --> 00:18:21.600
Nessie: In the case that a broken Q-tip incident may occur, they are already in the place where they have the things to care for such an instance.

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Nessie: Hopefully, it doesn't happen, but it's possible.

00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:25.900
Nessie: And at least you are in the right hands.

00:18:25.900 --> 00:18:29.560
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I have a funny story about a product review.

00:18:29.560 --> 00:18:33.560
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I had a client enraged, very angry with me.

00:18:33.560 --> 00:18:35.860
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She could not get the medicine out of the bottle.

00:18:35.860 --> 00:18:36.340
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Okay.

00:18:36.340 --> 00:18:46.460
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Those of you who are familiar with medications, this was a bottle of Meloxicam or a non-steroidal anti-inflammatory, it's a liquid.

00:18:46.460 --> 00:18:51.700
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The company already prepackages the medicine in a bottle, right?

00:18:51.700 --> 00:18:55.700
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So we're not transferring it to another bottle.

00:18:55.700 --> 00:18:59.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We're just the bottle as distributed by the company.

00:18:59.120 --> 00:19:01.920
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She was livid with me that there was something wrong with the bottle.

00:19:01.920 --> 00:19:04.560
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The medicine was not coming out.

00:19:04.560 --> 00:19:09.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And so I was like, bring it in, we'll fix it, we'll get you a new bottle, whatever the case may be.

00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:13.840
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I asked her to show me how she was getting the medicine out of the bottle.

00:19:13.840 --> 00:19:21.020
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She was putting the syringe on the top like she was instructed to do, right?

00:19:21.020 --> 00:19:25.740
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She was not though letting gravity help her and she was not turning the bottle upside down.

00:19:25.740 --> 00:19:33.480
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So she was just like opening the syringe on the top of the bottle as the bottle is sitting upright.

00:19:33.480 --> 00:19:35.440
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I hope I'm giving you a good picture of what's happening.

00:19:35.700 --> 00:19:38.960
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I was thrilled to fix her problem and said, you know what?

00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:40.220
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I have got your solution.

00:19:40.220 --> 00:19:48.020
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I took the bottle, I turned it upside down, and the liquid flew freely into the syringe, and I handed it back to her.

00:19:48.020 --> 00:19:56.280
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And she incessantly apologized for all the mean things that she's done and left the office extremely embarrassed.

00:19:56.280 --> 00:20:00.580
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If she could have given a one-star review for that Medicam bottle, she would have.

00:20:00.580 --> 00:20:05.980
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But I think who deserved the one-star review was the operator.

00:20:05.980 --> 00:20:09.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: As a clinic, we should have been better at demonstrating.

00:20:09.660 --> 00:20:13.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You do have to turn the bottle upside down to get the liquid.

00:20:13.360 --> 00:20:22.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Some things that we think of as everyday minute detail just aren't for some people because they don't do it every day.

00:20:22.660 --> 00:20:32.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I don't know if you guys appreciate this, but after that, a topica cyclosporin came out with a bottle of liquid for cats.

00:20:32.660 --> 00:20:41.820
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There is a pipeline that goes down into the bottle that sucks the solution up without turning the bottle upside down.

00:20:41.860 --> 00:20:46.440
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And so, I fully believe that they learned from Medicam's mistake.

00:20:47.700 --> 00:21:06.020
Nessie: A doctor at the practice I work with had been told by a new doodle puppy owner that the breeder recommend not to get the puppy vaccinated until it was at six months old, when it was going to be strong enough to handle vaccines.

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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Here's my soapbox about vaccines.

00:21:08.340 --> 00:21:14.820
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There is a natural waxing and waning about how people feel about vaccines.

00:21:14.820 --> 00:21:24.600
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You will notice, I think it happens with every pandemic disease, the individuals that have lived through the outbreak of such disease.

00:21:24.600 --> 00:21:26.020
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Let's take Parvo, for example.

00:21:26.020 --> 00:21:29.900
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Parvo happened in kind of the early to mid 70s in most places.

00:21:29.900 --> 00:21:34.880
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There are some doctors and technicians that remember when Parvo broke out and how horrible it was.

00:21:35.840 --> 00:21:45.460
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Those people who lived through the initial outbreak of the disease is usually in very much high support of the vaccine because they saw what the disease can do.

00:21:45.460 --> 00:22:01.780
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: As vaccines limit the diseases from happening, as that generation that lived through that outbreak retires, whatever, the new generation sees the vaccine as unnecessary and dangerous and not worth the risk.

00:22:01.780 --> 00:22:06.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That new generation will stop vaccinating and then guess what, that disease comes back.

00:22:06.660 --> 00:22:10.460
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We just had a really nasty measles outbreak in Central Florida.

00:22:10.460 --> 00:22:11.160
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Why?

00:22:11.160 --> 00:22:12.560
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: People stop vaccinating.

00:22:12.560 --> 00:22:13.020
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Why?

00:22:13.020 --> 00:22:14.940
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Because I've never seen what measles can do.

00:22:14.940 --> 00:22:17.580
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We see that in veterinary medicine as well.

00:22:17.580 --> 00:22:26.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I had a lady in full seriousness in the lobby of the hospital telling all the clients, do not vaccinate your dogs, it will give them autism.

00:22:26.660 --> 00:22:28.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And she was absolutely serious about it.

00:22:28.120 --> 00:22:34.500
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She thought she was doing a public service to tell everybody, hey, don't vaccinate, you are going to cause your dog autism.

00:22:34.500 --> 00:22:38.940
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I like to see my first dog with autism, but I don't think that's actually a thing yet.

00:22:38.940 --> 00:22:42.900
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You know, vaccines have a very polarized opinion.

00:22:42.900 --> 00:22:49.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And all I can do is educate and tell people of my experience, because I've definitely seen enough servo puppies.

00:22:49.660 --> 00:22:52.060
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I also share the facts with people.

00:22:52.060 --> 00:22:57.580
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The puppy's immune system, as it's developing, it's going to lose any of mom's protection.

00:22:57.580 --> 00:22:59.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: All of them loses it by four months of age.

00:22:59.520 --> 00:23:03.200
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So it does not make sense to wait and vaccinate at six months of age.

00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:04.760
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We can certainly adjust.

00:23:04.760 --> 00:23:10.520
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You know, maybe we don't need to give the whole with December parvo parainfluenza combo.

00:23:10.520 --> 00:23:15.180
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Maybe we can start with just a parvovaxie for whatever the case may be.

00:23:15.180 --> 00:23:32.380
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I think it's a good combination of educating the client, show them the science, show them the experience behind what you're saying, and also listen to them and whatever reservations they have, try to hear that and make a vaccine protocol that they're happy to.

00:23:32.380 --> 00:23:34.020
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: A lot of times you can meet in the middle.

00:23:34.020 --> 00:23:37.520
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: As long as the owner feels heard, that's what's important.

00:23:37.520 --> 00:23:44.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They don't want to feel stupid for their questions, and their concerns are valid, and safety is a valid concern.

00:23:44.420 --> 00:23:50.640
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: No veterinary professional can tell you that it's completely impossible to have an anaphylactic reaction to a vaccine.

00:23:50.640 --> 00:24:01.980
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But giving that owner recognition that you're on the same team, that you want safety and efficacy for that puppy too, you don't want to see them back in two weeks with Parvo, is also very achievable.

00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:08.440
Nessie: One thing I can say is I have not met anyone that got into this field because they just want to cause chaos.

00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:09.460
Nessie: You know what I mean?

00:24:09.460 --> 00:24:17.360
Nessie: Like everyone I know is in it because they want what's best for pets and people, mostly pets, but you know, people are a big part of what we do anyway.

00:24:17.520 --> 00:24:22.220
Nessie: And we take an oath, just like a human medical professional would, pledging to do no harm.

00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:23.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Exactly, exactly.

00:24:23.660 --> 00:24:25.740
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I really think about that statement.

00:24:25.740 --> 00:24:42.180
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: When owners don't want to listen to my advice about how to keep the secondary skin infections, the ear infections at bay, I always remind them like, look, it is better for me for your pet to be sick, right?

00:24:42.180 --> 00:24:47.280
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I make more money if you're coming to me every couple of weeks.

00:24:47.280 --> 00:24:53.620
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So listen to me when I'm telling you, this is what you need to do to keep your dog healthy.

00:24:53.620 --> 00:24:57.000
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I'm not in it to see you every two to three weeks.

00:24:57.000 --> 00:25:01.880
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I want to only see you a couple of times a year for wellness items to keep your pet well.

00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:03.640
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I don't want to see them when they're sick.

00:25:03.640 --> 00:25:16.020
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I mean, I could tell you no information and let you go do what you want and let you come back to see me when they have ear infections, broken a tooth, and when they've sprained an ankle or a knee or whatever.

00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:21.920
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I could benefit from your lack of knowledge that I'm trying to give you.

00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:23.800
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Sometimes that truth kind of hits them in the face.

00:25:23.800 --> 00:25:25.320
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Oh, yeah, you're right.

00:25:25.320 --> 00:25:28.220
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Maybe you are trying to save me some heartache and some expense down the road.

00:25:28.220 --> 00:25:30.180
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We are on the same team.

00:25:30.460 --> 00:25:37.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I know sometimes we all have different opinions, different experiences, but we are all on the same team.

00:25:37.720 --> 00:25:52.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And if we can just remember that and kind of take a step back from our own pride or belief systems and figure out together what's going to be best for that particular patient, then I think we can make a world a better place.

00:25:52.660 --> 00:25:58.600
Nessie: A co-worker, friend of mine named Cherry, shared a story for this episode as well.

00:25:58.600 --> 00:26:07.620
Nessie: She had somebody house-sitting her dogs for her while she was away, and they were telling her how much they are enjoying getting treats.

00:26:07.620 --> 00:26:16.960
Nessie: And then when she proceeded to say that she'd given half a box of raisins already, Cherry was like, Oh, no, no, no, no, no, they cannot have raisins.

00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.180
Nessie: And the friend was like, I thought you said they can't have grapes.

00:26:20.180 --> 00:26:27.860
Nessie: And she was like, Well, you know, the important thing here to keep in mind, a raisin is in fact a dried grape.

00:26:27.860 --> 00:26:30.780
Nessie: And so they are still a no-go.

00:26:30.780 --> 00:26:32.540
Nessie: They are still toxic too.

00:26:32.540 --> 00:26:36.840
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I wish I could tell you this has only happened to me one time, but it hasn't.

00:26:36.840 --> 00:26:39.940
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's happened to me enough that my filter has flown off the handle.

00:26:40.580 --> 00:26:51.100
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: When I try to educate clients about what's toxic to their pet, so, you know, chocolate, raisins, grapes, tomatoes, onions, I will repeatedly get this response.

00:26:51.100 --> 00:26:52.440
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But he loves them.

00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:58.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I mean, what part of toxic are we not meeting on the same level with?

00:26:58.360 --> 00:27:00.040
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Like, toxic means deadly.

00:27:00.040 --> 00:27:03.560
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Toxic means you eat it and you could die.

00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:05.760
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I like doughnuts.

00:27:05.760 --> 00:27:09.040
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: While they're not healthy for me, they're not toxic.

00:27:09.040 --> 00:27:12.460
Nessie: It's all well and good when you choose to eat something you shouldn't.

00:27:12.460 --> 00:27:14.940
Nessie: That is a decision that you made.

00:27:14.940 --> 00:27:16.800
Nessie: Pets don't have that choice.

00:27:16.800 --> 00:27:18.920
Nessie: They eat what we feed them.

00:27:18.920 --> 00:27:28.320
Nessie: So to feed them a grape because they like them is not a good excuse because you are in turn feeding them something that is potentially fatal.

00:27:28.320 --> 00:27:35.880
Nessie: And I mean, they wouldn't know if they liked it or not because they shouldn't have been offered them in the first place, if that makes sense.

00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:44.660
Nessie: I also happen to find some things on Reddit, and I have one here for a concerned owner.

00:27:44.660 --> 00:27:49.080
Nessie: This owner says, I am worried my depression is affecting my dog.

00:27:49.080 --> 00:27:52.340
Nessie: He just lays around all day and never barks.

00:27:52.340 --> 00:27:56.720
Nessie: He's still sweet and playful whenever I walk and interact with him.

00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:01.560
Nessie: But when I'm doing stuff, he just lays around and sleeps.

00:28:01.560 --> 00:28:07.320
Nessie: One person called Immense says, he can only do so much on his own.

00:28:07.320 --> 00:28:15.100
Nessie: And another response, the response from Otto says, get him a PS5.

00:28:15.100 --> 00:28:21.180
Nessie: A response to Otto from Bee says, the puppy station five.

00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:22.900
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I love it.

00:28:22.900 --> 00:28:27.440
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I think we just found our retirement project of making a puppy station five.

00:28:27.820 --> 00:28:38.280
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Because what's funny is with the traditional tube TVs, we consistently could not prove that dogs could watch TV, right?

00:28:38.280 --> 00:28:40.160
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The frames per second was not right.

00:28:40.160 --> 00:28:40.880
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The color scheme.

00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:44.860
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So for the longest time, dogs really couldn't watch TV very well.

00:28:44.860 --> 00:28:50.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Now with these new flat screen LEDs, I mean, there's dog TV, my own Frenchie Franny.

00:28:50.420 --> 00:28:53.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She gets her channel on when we go somewhere.

00:28:53.360 --> 00:28:54.900
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She gets to watch birds and things.

00:28:54.900 --> 00:28:57.240
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I don't know how much she watches it, but it makes us feel better.

00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:58.260
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That could be our new project.

00:28:58.260 --> 00:29:01.320
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We could make up the Puppy Station 5.

00:29:01.320 --> 00:29:08.600
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There was a study published that they found a correlation between an owner's heart rate and a dog's heart rate.

00:29:08.600 --> 00:29:11.260
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They took owners and their dogs and they compared heart rates.

00:29:11.260 --> 00:29:15.280
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And owners that had faster heart rates, dogs had faster heart rates.

00:29:15.280 --> 00:29:16.880
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There's no relationship in breed, right?

00:29:16.880 --> 00:29:19.820
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We're taught smaller dogs have faster heart rates than larger dogs.

00:29:19.820 --> 00:29:24.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And they were seeing more correlation between what the owner's heart rate was versus the dog's.

00:29:24.980 --> 00:29:32.620
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I know clients, at least at my hospital, it didn't take me long to figure out the owners who like and trusted me.

00:29:32.620 --> 00:29:33.760
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Their pets did fine.

00:29:33.760 --> 00:29:37.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The owners that were like new to our clinic didn't know me.

00:29:37.420 --> 00:29:42.000
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Their dog did not behave well because of the anxiety effect.

00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:45.020
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The comment about the dog can only do so much by himself.

00:29:45.020 --> 00:29:47.100
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I mean, maybe that's true.

00:29:47.100 --> 00:29:50.740
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There is a little bit of lack of stimulation when we're not around.

00:29:50.740 --> 00:29:54.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There are some puzzle toys and some things you can engage by themselves.

00:29:54.500 --> 00:29:59.000
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But some dogs like people just don't engage by themselves as well as other dogs.

00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:02.240
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If you're going through something, they feel that too.

00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:08.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There's a reason why they can detect cancers and low blood sugar and seizure episode.

00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:14.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Their intuitive ability, especially for their owners, is almost supernatural.

00:30:14.660 --> 00:30:16.700
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Let's talk about what the alternative is.

00:30:16.700 --> 00:30:23.600
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The alternative is while you're gone, they're scared, they're anxious without you, very co-dependent.

00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:25.600
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: What do those types of dogs do?

00:30:25.600 --> 00:30:28.880
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They're very active at home, but it's because they are destructive.

00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:36.220
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: To me, a dog that doesn't have any stimulus to react to, if they are sleeping, that means they are comfortable in their environment.

00:30:36.220 --> 00:30:39.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: As a dog mom, that's to me very comforting.

00:30:39.120 --> 00:30:42.560
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Dr. Stacey Beddoe: See you soon.

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00:31:41.180 --> 00:31:42.760
Nessie: Let's get back to the show.

00:31:42.760 --> 00:31:45.000
Nessie: We have another Reddit question.

00:31:45.340 --> 00:31:50.840
Nessie: My husky started having this bizarre erratic behavior out of nowhere.

00:31:50.840 --> 00:31:54.980
Nessie: She just starts and stops and looks back at the ground.

00:31:54.980 --> 00:31:57.600
Nessie: It's been going on for a few hours now.

00:31:57.600 --> 00:31:59.420
Nessie: She's pacing around the house.

00:31:59.420 --> 00:32:00.760
Nessie: We've checked for ticks.

00:32:00.760 --> 00:32:05.020
Nessie: She gets dewormed every month, and she's eating and drinking normally.

00:32:05.020 --> 00:32:12.440
Nessie: She's just jerking her head towards things that aren't there, almost like she can feel something periodically touching her tail.

00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.860
Nessie: She is a two-year-old purebred husky.

00:32:14.860 --> 00:32:17.860
Nessie: She's never demonstrated behavior like this before.

00:32:17.860 --> 00:32:21.660
Nessie: Anybody know what this behavior could be?

00:32:21.660 --> 00:32:28.060
Nessie: So I have some responses here, and the responses are actually the best part of this post.

00:32:28.060 --> 00:32:37.340
Nessie: I have a response from Ziggy that says, it could be a twinge of pain or it's a haunted house.

00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:52.820
Nessie: Our next response comes from Crafty, and Crafty said to keep in mind that sometimes animals sense oncoming earthquakes by picking up the frequency shift of substrata and can exhibit this type of behavior.

00:32:52.820 --> 00:32:57.000
Nessie: Some dogs can even sense the shift days before an event.

00:32:57.000 --> 00:33:04.160
Nessie: You may check the maps and links online for any information on earthquake activities in your area.

00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:10.760
Nessie: Another response, her name, fittingly, was Lilith the Ghost, which makes sense.

00:33:10.760 --> 00:33:16.840
Nessie: She says, silly question, but has anyone recently died or a pet?

00:33:16.840 --> 00:33:20.240
Nessie: So, you know, that's concerning, right?

00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:26.900
Nessie: And our final response is from Loose Moose, and said, any chance you have mice in the floors?

00:33:26.900 --> 00:33:39.760
Nessie: My concern here is, yes, there were some comments that I read that were actually people trying to be helpful, and maybe these people are too, but this is the kind of advice that may instill panic in somebody.

00:33:39.760 --> 00:33:43.340
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: All the while, it could just be an anal gland problem or butt itching.

00:33:43.340 --> 00:33:49.320
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I don't know about you, but sometimes there are some phone calls, and owners are frantic about something like that.

00:33:49.320 --> 00:34:00.700
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You know, they are going to put a one-star review on your Google review if you tell them, we are full and we have to schedule you tomorrow, right?

00:34:00.700 --> 00:34:04.480
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Those in the vet professions hearing those signs and being like, that can wait till tomorrow.

00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:09.520
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But these owners are just frantic that this is a life-threatening situation.

00:34:09.520 --> 00:34:15.500
Nessie: Surely, one of the first calls someone would make in the situation is going to be to the exterminator, right?

00:34:15.500 --> 00:34:17.740
Nessie: Because you might have mice in your floors.

00:34:17.740 --> 00:34:23.460
Nessie: And then to the psychic, because you're like, well, did somebody or a pet die recently and now they're haunting my dog?

00:34:23.460 --> 00:34:29.500
Nessie: Then you may want to do the research regarding whether or not there is an earthquake coming.

00:34:29.500 --> 00:34:37.860
Nessie: And after you exhaust these options here, then you consult with the vet and be like, hey, my dog keeps looking at his butt.

00:34:37.860 --> 00:34:40.100
Nessie: What should I do?

00:34:40.100 --> 00:34:44.200
Nessie: That would be the order of operations, in my opinion.

00:34:44.200 --> 00:34:44.940
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Exactly.

00:34:44.940 --> 00:34:46.840
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I'm just hearing these responses.

00:34:46.840 --> 00:35:01.060
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If I had no knowledge about what's going on with my dog, I would be calling for an emergency appointment right now, because I need to know if someone's died or if there's an earthquake happening or whatever the case may be.

00:35:02.200 --> 00:35:03.000
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I understand now.

00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:07.140
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I understand how people can become frantic listening to the antics of others.

00:35:07.140 --> 00:35:12.920
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Maybe I'm not like everybody, but there are people that I meet that I'm like, oh, I'm not going to be friends with you, right?

00:35:12.920 --> 00:35:18.800
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There's just people that you don't want to associate with, that you don't want to spend time with for whatever reason.

00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:28.480
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But when you open yourself up on the internet and ask these questions to everybody, you are opening yourself up to everybody.

00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:35.480
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And they come from all belief systems, all walks of life, all lines of medication takers, you know?

00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:49.180
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But if you're not going to be willing to be friends and take in everyone's advice, that you meet face to face, at least, I guess, second guess, open yourself up online to everybody and anybody's thoughts and processes.

00:35:49.180 --> 00:35:52.500
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I think it's a worthy conversation of how do we limit this?

00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:57.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We're never going to eliminate people seeking advice outside of the experts.

00:35:57.420 --> 00:35:58.740
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: How do we mitigate that?

00:35:58.820 --> 00:36:06.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And like, really seeing what the barriers are to people wanting to ask their questions to veterinarians.

00:36:06.120 --> 00:36:09.860
Nessie: I have another Facebook response here from Ava Diaz.

00:36:09.860 --> 00:36:22.740
Nessie: She had a client who declined her advice to get her new Shih Tzu puppies spayed and neutered because they were brother and sister and know not to do that.

00:36:22.740 --> 00:36:25.920
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I actually had that exact same thing happen in a room.

00:36:26.380 --> 00:36:30.080
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There is more than one owner that believes that because I've met a few of them.

00:36:30.080 --> 00:36:32.140
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We really personify our pets.

00:36:32.140 --> 00:36:40.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And what that means is there's so many times they act human that we unintentionally put too much human characteristics onto them.

00:36:40.120 --> 00:36:43.300
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Sexual reproduction is more of a biological thing.

00:36:43.300 --> 00:36:47.600
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Humans have a little bit higher philosophy for it.

00:36:47.600 --> 00:36:51.700
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But in its raw nature, it is a biological action.

00:36:52.140 --> 00:36:59.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I also think people will believe a lot of crazy things to try to avoid something that they don't want.

00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:07.000
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's much easier to believe and hope that, well, their brother and sister, they're not going to do that than to pay for the procedures.

00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:09.180
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The situation I was involved with was in St.

00:37:09.180 --> 00:37:10.220
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Louis, Missouri.

00:37:10.220 --> 00:37:11.300
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They were bringing in Pops.

00:37:11.300 --> 00:37:15.300
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They were like, we don't need to talk about spandering and neutering because their brother and sister.

00:37:15.300 --> 00:37:18.320
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I'm like, oh, yeah, we do because it's still a thing.

00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:19.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They're like, no, they won't do that.

00:37:19.420 --> 00:37:19.900
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That's gross.

00:37:20.020 --> 00:37:22.080
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I'm like, to them, it's just biology.

00:37:22.080 --> 00:37:25.500
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's making sure your genetic material goes on.

00:37:25.500 --> 00:37:36.380
Nessie: Another Facebook response I got from Lexi Pollock, she has heard people say, to stick your finger into a dog's butt to stop a dog fight.

00:37:36.380 --> 00:37:38.740
Nessie: This one seems different.

00:37:38.740 --> 00:37:43.300
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That's, that would be possibly effective.

00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:44.960
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I've never tried that.

00:37:45.100 --> 00:37:47.040
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I kind of want to now, actually.

00:37:49.060 --> 00:37:52.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Maybe not with my finger poking in that area.

00:37:52.420 --> 00:37:54.260
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I don't know if that's an interesting thought.

00:37:54.260 --> 00:37:57.700
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You know, having some science behind a dog fight.

00:37:57.700 --> 00:38:09.300
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So dog fights happen when all logic, all, everything goes out the window, and all you can see is becoming dominant over that person or thing, right?

00:38:09.300 --> 00:38:10.340
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's very primal.

00:38:10.340 --> 00:38:13.800
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And so a lot of times dogs just won't respond to anything.

00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:16.960
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That's how people get bit, trying to break up a dog fight.

00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:24.400
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They are so focused on that other opponent and winning, and they're not feeling that external stimuli.

00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:25.920
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Water being splashed, right?

00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:27.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: A lot of people have tried that.

00:38:27.420 --> 00:38:34.260
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Even though we jump in as humans because we want to stop, it's very dangerous and difficult to break up a very heated dog fight.

00:38:34.260 --> 00:38:38.100
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's much easier to keep it from happening.

00:38:38.100 --> 00:38:39.820
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It never happens till it does.

00:38:39.820 --> 00:38:49.180
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Being a responsible pet owner and expecting the unexpected, have your dog on a leash so that they can't get to that point where you can't pull them apart, right?

00:38:49.180 --> 00:38:56.000
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So while the poke in the butt is entertaining to think about, not safe at all.

00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:57.220
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I wouldn't condone it.

00:38:57.220 --> 00:39:00.360
Nessie: How are you supposed to reach both dog butts, right?

00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:04.960
Nessie: Like you got to get both at the same time, unless they're both small dogs.

00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:08.960
Nessie: Your arms are just not going to be long enough to do both of the larger dogs.

00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:11.800
Nessie: I mean, do you just pick one and hope for the best?

00:39:12.080 --> 00:39:12.820
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Right.

00:39:12.820 --> 00:39:18.880
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Well, you do have two hands, so if you can get around to both sides, I mean, that's a possibility.

00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:19.640
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Love it.

00:39:19.640 --> 00:39:20.480
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Love it.

00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:28.700
Nessie: There is that old wives' tale out there that says that if a dog bites you, you should bite them back.

00:39:28.700 --> 00:39:30.900
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That's a great way to get a scar on your face.

00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:38.400
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The TikTok videos of people growling and barking right in their dog's face yet to get their dog's reaction.

00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:46.500
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The ones that I've seen, yes, they're comical, but I'm waiting for that one dog that's napped and bite their owner's face off because you're startling the dogs.

00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:49.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And think about the dogs that they were doing that to, right?

00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:50.700
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I think all dogs can be mean.

00:39:50.700 --> 00:39:52.320
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I think all dogs can be nice.

00:39:52.320 --> 00:39:58.240
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But they were picking dogs that were easily startled.

00:39:58.240 --> 00:40:00.280
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I think I saw one that did a Great Dane.

00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:02.520
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They weren't picking little chihuahuas and poodles.

00:40:02.520 --> 00:40:06.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They were picking large dogs that could fit their whole face and mouth.

00:40:06.560 --> 00:40:18.000
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We, as humans, we have emotional highs and lows, and there are times we'll fly off the handle, we'll have a reflux reaction, and we're like, oh, I shouldn't have done that, right?

00:40:18.160 --> 00:40:30.640
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: At the cost of sounding too humanistic of pets, I think pets had that same thing too, where they'll have that brief lack of judgment, and they react to something.

00:40:30.640 --> 00:40:32.500
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The damage is done, right?

00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:33.820
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Once you're bitten, you're bitten.

00:40:33.820 --> 00:40:35.600
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Some situations can't be fixed.

00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.940
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That is the unpredictability of animals.

00:40:38.940 --> 00:40:45.660
Nessie: Those TikTok challenges that involve dogs seem dangerous, especially if you have a nervous dog.

00:40:45.660 --> 00:40:56.000
Nessie: Many people don't understand dog behaviors, like they don't know how to interpret them well enough to determine if this is a good idea, which in most cases is probably not.

00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:59.020
Nessie: I mean, you may wind up okay, but is it worth the risk?

00:40:59.020 --> 00:41:08.420
Nessie: I always taught my grooming students and now the newbies that come into the veterinary field, not to put their face in a dog's face, especially if you don't know the dog.

00:41:08.420 --> 00:41:12.900
Nessie: I mean, even if you do know the dog, it's best not to test this out.

00:41:12.900 --> 00:41:18.820
Nessie: I personally like my face, too much to get it bitten off, especially not for a TikTok trend.

00:41:18.820 --> 00:41:23.320
Nessie: Never mind while I'm at work, and I don't want to see it happen to anybody else either.

00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:31.180
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We should probably include the peanut butter on the face to trim nails while we're talking about TikTok and the things that people do.

00:41:31.180 --> 00:41:31.960
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Remember that era?

00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So people were to trim their dog's toenails, putting Saran wrap on their faces.

00:41:37.420 --> 00:41:46.800
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Sometimes they weren't putting anything on them, and then putting peanut butter on their foreheads so that the dog, the peanut butter off the forehead while they were trimming the nails.

00:41:46.800 --> 00:41:49.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That was another face bite waiting to happen.

00:41:49.360 --> 00:41:52.480
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I don't know how many people got bit from that whole situation.

00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:57.620
Nessie: Saran wrap on the face, it sounds like a really bad idea actually.

00:41:57.900 --> 00:42:01.740
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Well, you don't want to get all messy, greasy peanut butter on your forehead, do you?

00:42:01.740 --> 00:42:10.460
Nessie: I think I hear that serial killers are usually the ones that you hear wrapping saran wrap over someone's face, and it's usually not for like nice reasons.

00:42:10.460 --> 00:42:10.900
Nessie: Yeah.

00:42:10.900 --> 00:42:20.760
Nessie: Explaining that injury is going to be very strange, like my dog was licking peanut butter off my face, and now I have a severe pink eye infection or no nose.

00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:27.300
Nessie: I have another Facebook post trying to get some assistance for their cat with urinary issues.

00:42:28.060 --> 00:42:32.680
Nessie: My cat, Bobby, keeps weeing in corners.

00:42:32.680 --> 00:42:35.620
Nessie: I took people's advice and went to the vet with him.

00:42:35.620 --> 00:42:42.480
Nessie: He said that male cats don't get urinary infections because they're too clean.

00:42:42.480 --> 00:42:47.580
Nessie: They get blockages, though I've also tried a feel-away plug-in.

00:42:47.580 --> 00:42:49.980
Nessie: It hasn't worked either.

00:42:49.980 --> 00:42:54.340
Nessie: I have tried extra cat trays, but nothing seems to work.

00:42:54.340 --> 00:42:56.820
Nessie: He's getting worse, doing it in new places.

00:42:57.200 --> 00:42:58.480
Nessie: I'm going crazy.

00:42:58.480 --> 00:43:02.120
Nessie: He's ruining my wooden floors, which is starting to lift.

00:43:02.120 --> 00:43:03.760
Nessie: He's such a sweet loving boy.

00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.020
Nessie: He knows he's done wrong.

00:43:05.020 --> 00:43:07.220
Nessie: And when I try to stop him, he runs away.

00:43:07.220 --> 00:43:09.940
Nessie: Any other suggestions, please, from Sandy.

00:43:09.940 --> 00:43:11.480
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: What have we been talking about this whole time?

00:43:11.480 --> 00:43:15.160
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You need to go to your veterinarian and not your reader and not on Reddit.

00:43:15.160 --> 00:43:23.020
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Here's an owner who by all identifications did the right thing, took the cat to the vet, right?

00:43:23.020 --> 00:43:26.040
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But clearly did not get 100% accurate advice.

00:43:26.300 --> 00:43:28.460
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: However, that went down.

00:43:28.460 --> 00:43:33.620
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: My hope is that the veterinarian said most of the time, there's no bacterial cause.

00:43:33.620 --> 00:43:41.020
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So, fluted, Beliolary urinary tract disease, syndrome, if you will, they will get bladder irritation.

00:43:41.020 --> 00:43:45.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And when you culture these guys, they come up negative, right?

00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:50.700
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Hopefully, the conversation went something like most of the time, they're not infectious.

00:43:50.700 --> 00:43:52.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There are things that we can do to help, right?

00:43:52.720 --> 00:43:59.920
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There's fluids, anti-inflammatories, gout, to help with the neural pain and whatnot, and there's special diets.

00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:10.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Hopefully, that conversation happened like that, but something in the translation messed up because he came home thinking that there's no hope.

00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:20.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I have no doubt that their content is correct, but if we can't get that content into the owner's brain, it doesn't do any good.

00:44:20.660 --> 00:44:33.240
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If they're on their cell phone, or they have three five-year-olds in the exam room, and you clearly know that they are not listening to you, stop that appointment and be like, hey, this looks like a very bad time to really be talking about this.

00:44:33.240 --> 00:44:35.540
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Can I email you the information?

00:44:35.540 --> 00:44:38.820
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: This does not look like a good time to really absorb what's going on with your cat.

00:44:38.820 --> 00:44:42.880
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So we need to take charge and not just ignore our guts.

00:44:42.880 --> 00:44:44.740
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I know I gave you a lot of information.

00:44:44.740 --> 00:44:47.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I know I gave you stuff that doesn't make sense initially.

00:44:48.100 --> 00:44:52.920
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: What can we re-go over to make sure that you have all of the information that you need?

00:44:52.920 --> 00:45:02.320
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I think we focus too much on saying everything and getting a 45-minute lecture of fluted in on a 10-minute conversation with the owner and hammering them with a bunch of information.

00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:07.060
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: When we really need to be focused on, do they understand what we're saying?

00:45:07.060 --> 00:45:14.520
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And that's an ongoing battle because once you figure out how to communicate with one person, you've got another person in another room with a completely different situation.

00:45:14.520 --> 00:45:16.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So it's an ever-evolving thing.

00:45:17.260 --> 00:45:23.560
Nessie: Yeah, I just don't see a veterinarian out there blatantly saying, Kat, don't get urinary tract infections.

00:45:24.620 --> 00:45:26.520
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I hope so for our babies, right?

00:45:26.520 --> 00:45:30.400
Nessie: Actually, I do have a pick-up line that I want to share with you.

00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:33.300
Nessie: Do you believe in love at first sniff?

00:45:36.240 --> 00:45:37.320
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Potentially.

00:45:37.320 --> 00:45:41.280
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I would say that that is how I adopted my dog Fran.

00:45:41.280 --> 00:45:44.440
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So Franny was a C-section.

00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:48.040
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: When you start off in your profession, you have no idea where it's going to take you.

00:45:48.040 --> 00:45:52.900
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And for me, it was being the neighborhood Frenchie, Breeder Veterinarian.

00:45:52.900 --> 00:45:57.560
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So I was doing a routine C-section and delivering these puppies.

00:45:57.560 --> 00:46:03.340
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I already had a male Brindle Frenchie named Frankie and thought I was fine with just one.

00:46:03.340 --> 00:46:09.700
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I was delivering these pups and there was only one Brindle in the litter.

00:46:09.700 --> 00:46:17.960
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I'm sending the puppies to the neonatal area and I hear one of my technicians say, Oh my gosh, it's a Frankie Jr.

00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:19.940
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I was like, Oh, okay, okay.

00:46:19.940 --> 00:46:21.760
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Well, I get done with the C-section.

00:46:21.760 --> 00:46:26.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's time to bring the pups in for mom to nurse them and clean them and stuff.

00:46:26.660 --> 00:46:29.540
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And it was love at first sight with little Fran.

00:46:29.540 --> 00:46:31.060
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She fit in my hand.

00:46:31.060 --> 00:46:32.840
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She was just the cutest little thing.

00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:37.980
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I carried her to my husband's office and I was like, look at how cute she is.

00:46:37.980 --> 00:46:41.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I was hoping for the reaction of, Oh my gosh, we have to have her.

00:46:41.420 --> 00:46:42.680
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That wasn't the reaction I got.

00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:47.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You can tell he was like, this is a red flag for me.

00:46:47.720 --> 00:46:52.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And my surgery technician, who's known me forever, comes in after I leave.

00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:54.980
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And he asks her, do I have another dog?

00:46:54.980 --> 00:46:56.260
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She said, I think you do.

00:46:56.260 --> 00:47:01.680
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And sure enough, at the four week health check, she was so cute.

00:47:01.680 --> 00:47:09.740
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I introduced her to Frankie and she was the only puppy in the entire litter that was like following him around and just loving him at first sight.

00:47:10.100 --> 00:47:15.320
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I wasn't in the market for another dog, but I sure fell in love instantly.

00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:19.540
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I think she fell in love with her brother at first sniff because it was instantaneous.

00:47:19.540 --> 00:47:21.640
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She was all over him.

00:47:21.640 --> 00:47:22.840
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: This is my new big brother.

00:47:22.840 --> 00:47:27.680
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There was no other reason for her to love him, except that she is supposed to be my next puppy.

00:47:27.680 --> 00:47:34.740
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Even though my scientific brain says that's really not possible, my mommy heart says, oh yeah, I think it can be possible.

00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:40.780
Nessie: Do you know anything about aquatic frogs?

00:47:40.780 --> 00:47:41.780
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I will do exotics.

00:47:41.780 --> 00:47:50.400
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So I started doing exotics because I wanted to do pet birds, which turned into chickens and poultry and ducks and geese.

00:47:50.400 --> 00:47:54.100
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And then that turned into rabbits, guinea pigs, hamsters.

00:47:54.140 --> 00:47:56.240
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I will not do snakes.

00:47:56.280 --> 00:48:02.820
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Then I got into the oxalotls when they got popular, and then the aquatic turtles, aquatic frogs.

00:48:03.020 --> 00:48:08.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You would be shocked at how many people get exotic animals in Missouri.

00:48:08.120 --> 00:48:17.260
Nessie: From Facebook, Katherine Rogers says, as I was walking into a local pet store, another customer is walking out with a small aquatic frog in a bag.

00:48:17.260 --> 00:48:20.980
Nessie: An associate stepped out of the doors and shouted across the parking lot.

00:48:20.980 --> 00:48:24.760
Nessie: I asked my manager, it doesn't need oxygen.

00:48:25.920 --> 00:48:27.940
Nessie: And I get her sentiment at that last statement.

00:48:27.940 --> 00:48:28.580
Nessie: Ugh.

00:48:28.580 --> 00:48:30.560
Nessie: Because like what doesn't need oxygen?

00:48:30.560 --> 00:48:31.700
Nessie: You know what I mean?

00:48:31.700 --> 00:48:37.500
Nessie: Even if it is an aquatic frog, it still has to have the water aerated to incorporate oxygen.

00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:40.900
Nessie: So, I mean, don't leave it in the bag, obviously.

00:48:40.900 --> 00:48:41.900
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Wow.

00:48:41.900 --> 00:48:46.800
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So maybe this topic is, what are the hiring requirements to work in a pet store?

00:48:46.800 --> 00:48:51.900
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Most pet stores do not require any college degree in any type of biology, zoology.

00:48:52.640 --> 00:48:55.820
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Obviously, there are people that will learn on the job.

00:48:55.820 --> 00:48:58.680
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I don't care what kind of training you get.

00:48:58.680 --> 00:49:00.220
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's pretty minimal.

00:49:00.220 --> 00:49:03.060
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That's not to say anything bad about pet stores.

00:49:03.060 --> 00:49:05.280
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They're understaffed like everybody else.

00:49:05.280 --> 00:49:06.800
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Half the time, they come unhealthy.

00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:09.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They don't really know in perspective what healthy should look like.

00:49:09.420 --> 00:49:14.800
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They are burdened with other tasks besides just taking care of these animals.

00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.860
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: A lot of times, they don't have time to recognize when some things sit, they don't have the training.

00:49:18.860 --> 00:49:28.540
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I think a lot of pet stores have figured out that the profit is in the inventory, the behavioral classes, the grooming, and maybe not selling those pets.

00:49:28.540 --> 00:49:31.980
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Well, let's talk about the bird fairs and the bird auctions.

00:49:31.980 --> 00:49:35.180
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Oh my gosh, that is a crazy industry.

00:49:35.180 --> 00:49:39.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There is a flea market in Missouri called Jacobs Cave.

00:49:39.120 --> 00:49:44.300
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We would need Book Solid for the three weeks after Jacobs Cave of sick animals from that flea market.

00:49:44.580 --> 00:49:52.980
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So thinking about bad pet advice, getting your animal at a flea market is terrible.

00:49:52.980 --> 00:50:08.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Getting it from a pet store isn't ideal either, just because these animals have been through so much stress at such a young age between breeding and shipping when trying to get into a new environment that's maybe not 100% ideal for them.

00:50:08.720 --> 00:50:10.040
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: These pets are not tested.

00:50:10.040 --> 00:50:11.180
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They aren't vaccinated.

00:50:11.740 --> 00:50:14.440
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You don't know their history, really.

00:50:14.440 --> 00:50:21.940
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And all of a sudden, you're culminating all of these animals from different areas to share their germs with everyone.

00:50:21.940 --> 00:50:26.080
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's kind of like daycare without any regulation.

00:50:26.080 --> 00:50:34.660
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If you're wanting a stress-free, no-surprise type animal, pet stores, flea markets, and auctions are just not the place to go.

00:50:34.660 --> 00:50:36.680
Nessie: So where is the best place then?

00:50:36.680 --> 00:50:39.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Well, yeah, that is a good question.

00:50:39.560 --> 00:50:41.020
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Don't purchase it from anywhere.

00:50:41.020 --> 00:50:49.860
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So when I describe a good breeder, it is an individual who has this as a hobby, not really their way of life.

00:50:49.860 --> 00:50:52.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They don't have a lot of breeding partners.

00:50:52.360 --> 00:51:00.560
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Depending on what species you're dealing with, maybe having a couple of litters, couple of clutches a year in a home setting.

00:51:00.560 --> 00:51:02.540
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They don't have rows of kennels.

00:51:02.540 --> 00:51:07.860
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You don't want a breeder that has so many animals, they don't even know who was born when or who was born to which.

00:51:08.300 --> 00:51:10.460
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Because females will nurse each other's babies, right?

00:51:10.460 --> 00:51:14.060
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They'll raise them together, so numbers really matter.

00:51:14.060 --> 00:51:18.980
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's also good to know if they have a veterinarian that they have a good relationship with.

00:51:18.980 --> 00:51:20.480
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: The right way costs money.

00:51:20.480 --> 00:51:22.840
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So that would be your ideal breeder.

00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:26.060
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I do have a funny story about a cat breeding situation.

00:51:26.060 --> 00:51:30.920
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I volunteer every year in the Caribbean and work two weeks.

00:51:30.920 --> 00:51:37.440
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I was doing a health certificate for some people who had beautiful cats out of New Jersey.

00:51:37.820 --> 00:51:42.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: These cats are like fancy feast commercial quality.

00:51:42.720 --> 00:51:50.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They had no tear staining, coats were beautiful, teeth were perfect, no gingivitis, no herpes ulcers.

00:51:50.720 --> 00:51:53.840
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I mean, perfect Persian cats.

00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:54.420
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I was amazed.

00:51:54.420 --> 00:51:58.520
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I had never seen a more beautiful Persian cat in my life, and they had two of them.

00:51:58.520 --> 00:52:00.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They had no idea where I was from, who I was.

00:52:00.720 --> 00:52:02.140
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They never met me before.

00:52:02.140 --> 00:52:03.700
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I just had to compliment them.

00:52:03.700 --> 00:52:06.960
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I was like, hey, your cats are gorgeous.

00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.840
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I have to ask you where you got them.

00:52:09.840 --> 00:52:12.740
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And the other answer was, well, I'll tell you where I didn't get them.

00:52:12.740 --> 00:52:13.540
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Missouri.

00:52:13.540 --> 00:52:18.220
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I was like, how funny that you say that, because that's where I'm from.

00:52:18.220 --> 00:52:25.580
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She said, I didn't mean to insult you, but every cat breeder in Missouri over breed, they have too many queens.

00:52:25.580 --> 00:52:28.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They are riddled with viral infections.

00:52:28.120 --> 00:52:29.840
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: They're all snotty nose.

00:52:29.840 --> 00:52:36.300
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I couldn't argue with her, because we are called the puppy mill of the United States for a reason.

00:52:36.740 --> 00:52:38.860
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It doesn't just mean that we're the puppy mill of dogs.

00:52:38.860 --> 00:52:40.600
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We are also the kitty mill too.

00:52:40.600 --> 00:52:45.720
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And she could sell them that high dollar, because there was only 10 of them a year available.

00:52:45.720 --> 00:52:51.540
Nessie: I have a submitted story from a user that wants to remain anonymous.

00:52:51.540 --> 00:53:02.380
Nessie: She said, the owner of the first hospitals she used to work in, used to tell owners to control their new puppy, they need to speak their language.

00:53:02.380 --> 00:53:04.500
Nessie: They needed to growl like a mama dog.

00:53:04.820 --> 00:53:13.820
Nessie: He would then demonstrate how he growls, and they would try to move back during the ears, eyes, nose, and throat exam.

00:53:13.820 --> 00:53:18.420
Nessie: He growled at adult dogs that grumbled at him during invasive exams.

00:53:18.420 --> 00:53:22.480
Nessie: He never caught on that they were confused and more anxious.

00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.040
Nessie: They were unaffected by his attempts to be their mama.

00:53:25.040 --> 00:53:27.300
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: First of all, shout out to Vettex.

00:53:27.300 --> 00:53:30.520
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I miss my girls back in Missouri, something fierce.

00:53:30.520 --> 00:53:34.800
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I have met many, including you, many great, competent Vettex.

00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:38.840
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I'm glad that I moved to Florida because I wouldn't have been able to work with you guys otherwise.

00:53:38.840 --> 00:53:40.160
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And it takes a team.

00:53:40.160 --> 00:53:46.900
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I would definitely tell Vettex, you've got to be able to mesh with your doctor, right?

00:53:46.900 --> 00:53:49.600
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So listen to that gut instinct.

00:53:49.600 --> 00:53:53.040
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: First ask questions, come with an open mind.

00:53:53.040 --> 00:54:00.960
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But if it's not meshing with who you are and what you believe in, you do not want to work with somebody.

00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:02.020
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You can't get behind.

00:54:02.640 --> 00:54:10.140
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: You are not going to help grow the practice that way because that turmoil, that resistance, that lack of respect is going to show through.

00:54:10.140 --> 00:54:13.980
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And there are some veterinarians that I just don't mesh with personally.

00:54:13.980 --> 00:54:23.140
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There was a veterinarian who I believe now permanently retired in Missouri in the early 2000.

00:54:23.140 --> 00:54:30.520
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I had hired one of her technicians, a wonderful vet tech, awesome person, so loyal.

00:54:30.520 --> 00:54:32.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She's a rock solid gal.

00:54:32.120 --> 00:54:38.100
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She described to me the process at which this veterinarian did allergy testing.

00:54:38.100 --> 00:54:39.520
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And we all have our opinions, right?

00:54:39.520 --> 00:54:45.040
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: There are blood tests, skin testing that most dermatologists like to do otherwise.

00:54:45.040 --> 00:54:48.360
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: But this was a technique I had never heard before.

00:54:48.360 --> 00:54:55.120
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She had a licensed technician, a prison, just like a hanging glass prison, and the dog on the table.

00:54:55.120 --> 00:55:02.800
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: She would make the technician hold her hand out near the prison, and they would speak and verbalize an allergy.

00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:08.780
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Let's say, once if the dog's allergic to ragweed, she would speak ragweed to the prison.

00:55:08.780 --> 00:55:11.640
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If the dog was allergic, the technician's arm would move.

00:55:11.640 --> 00:55:12.220
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: This is true.

00:55:12.220 --> 00:55:16.400
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: This is true testing in Missouri people, true testing in the 90s.

00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:20.920
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If the technician's arm would move, then the dog was positive for ragweed.

00:55:20.920 --> 00:55:24.320
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If the technician's arm did not move, it was not positive.

00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:27.540
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And I seen that story to tell vet techs.

00:55:27.540 --> 00:55:34.840
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If you don't mesh with your doctor, we are in a deficit, girls and guys, you can get a job down the street.

00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:41.920
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Find a doctor that you believe in that shares your values, your work ethic, and work your heart out for them.

00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.500
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Don't try to stick yourself around peg in a square hole.

00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:54.480
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If you just don't fit with that clinic, it's not saying that you're bad, and there's anything wrong with you, and it's not saying that that doctor's bad, there's anything wrong with them.

00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:56.100
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: Remember, we're all on that same team.

00:55:56.100 --> 00:55:59.080
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We want to create a good environment to work in.

00:55:59.080 --> 00:56:02.260
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: We want to have good care for our pets and our clients.

00:56:02.260 --> 00:56:07.920
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: And you can't do that if you're constantly second-guessing the sanity of your doctor.

00:56:07.920 --> 00:56:14.240
Nessie: I honestly couldn't imagine being a technician in the room while a doctor's barking and growling at the patient.

00:56:16.100 --> 00:56:23.580
Nessie: I wouldn't be able to take him serious, or I might be looking over at the owner's expression because I'm like, how are they handling this?

00:56:23.580 --> 00:56:24.900
Nessie: Because I'm going to be concerned.

00:56:24.900 --> 00:56:28.420
Nessie: They're going to think he has lost touch with reality, right?

00:56:28.420 --> 00:56:30.740
Nessie: It would just be so bizarre to me.

00:56:30.740 --> 00:56:37.700
Nessie: So in conclusion, there are reputable sources available if you have pet questions.

00:56:37.700 --> 00:56:41.180
Nessie: It is best to reach out to the professionals.

00:56:41.500 --> 00:56:45.100
Nessie: It's important to know that motor oil does not kill fleas.

00:56:45.100 --> 00:56:46.020
Nessie: That's per Dr.

00:56:46.020 --> 00:56:47.000
Nessie: Mowdy.

00:56:47.000 --> 00:56:48.680
Nessie: Should not have it.

00:56:48.680 --> 00:56:53.240
Nessie: Bleach by mouth to kill parvo is not a thing that works.

00:56:53.240 --> 00:56:57.020
Nessie: Neosporin is not an eye medication.

00:56:57.020 --> 00:57:02.620
Nessie: Please pay attention that you do not put eye meds in the ears or ear meds in the eyes.

00:57:02.620 --> 00:57:05.280
Nessie: This is very commonly confused.

00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:22.460
Nessie: And if you have a pet that had previous eye issues and a new eye issue comes up, don't just start using the drops you have unless you have previous instructions from your veterinarian to do so, because you don't want to risk using a steroid in an eye that may have some type of ulcer or injury.

00:57:22.460 --> 00:57:24.180
Nessie: This is per Dr.

00:57:24.180 --> 00:57:24.960
Nessie: Spears.

00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:26.940
Nessie: She is an animal ophthalmologist.

00:57:26.940 --> 00:57:36.160
Nessie: Before believing old wives' tales, such as putting a kitten's paws in butter when you first put them outside so they can find their way back home.

00:57:36.160 --> 00:57:37.580
Nessie: That feels like nonsense.

00:57:38.080 --> 00:57:45.840
Nessie: Also, use caution when reaching out to places like Reddit for your veterinary advice because you do not know what you're gonna wind up getting in return.

00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:47.280
Nessie: I do want to thank Dr.

00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:49.380
Nessie: Beddoe for being here with us today.

00:57:49.380 --> 00:57:55.720
Nessie: It was very informative and had a really good time learning about what kind of things we don't want to do.

00:57:55.720 --> 00:57:58.820
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I think we pretty well covered it until next time.

00:57:58.820 --> 00:58:05.640
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: It's been an absolute pleasure talking with you and getting to share opinions and stories and perspective.

00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:16.980
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I hope that I have contributed and you have walked away with something special after this podcast and certainly will give some thumbs up for this podcast.

00:58:16.980 --> 00:58:20.440
Nessie: If you guys have any other questions or concerns for her?

00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:25.140
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I'm not really on any social media, but I will give out my email.

00:58:25.140 --> 00:58:37.500
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: If somebody wants to contact me, that email is R as in Rabbit, B as in My Last Name Beddoe, I as in Igloo, N as in Nancy, Jc at yahoo.com.

00:58:37.500 --> 00:58:40.540
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: My husband Robert Beddoe has all kinds of social media.

00:58:40.540 --> 00:58:43.320
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: He has Facebook, Instagram, TikTok.

00:58:43.320 --> 00:58:48.780
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So if you want to like message him, be like, hey, I want to talk to your wife.

00:58:48.780 --> 00:58:52.180
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: That's not uncommon for him, and he will not think anything of it.

00:58:52.180 --> 00:58:54.140
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I'd be happy to talk with you.

00:58:54.140 --> 00:58:58.900
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: I am semi-retired now, so I actually have time to invest in people.

00:58:58.900 --> 00:59:01.640
Dr. Stacey Beddoe: So that's been very refreshing.

00:59:01.740 --> 00:59:06.980
Nessie: We do have a really fun AI song all about misinformation in the pet world.

00:59:06.980 --> 00:59:08.060
Nessie: I hope you guys enjoy it.

00:59:08.060 --> 00:59:10.700
Nessie: It's a real bopper, a bop of a hit.

00:59:10.700 --> 00:59:13.460
Nessie: I don't know what you cool kids call good songs these days.

00:59:13.460 --> 00:59:18.740
Nessie: Anyway, you can find our social media information in our show notes.

00:59:18.740 --> 00:59:20.220
Nessie: Please come by and see us.

00:59:20.220 --> 00:59:23.480
Nessie: Say hi on the Facebooks, Instagrams.

00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:29.760
Nessie: I am in the works of getting us a TikTok made that someone much cooler than me is gonna manage.

00:59:30.340 --> 00:59:32.880
Nessie: So, there is that.

00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:39.500
Nessie: Otherwise, I really appreciate you guys being here to bust some myths, some bad advice.

00:59:39.500 --> 00:59:41.320
Nessie: We'll see you guys again.

00:59:41.360 --> 00:59:42.980
Nessie: Thank you, bye!

00:59:42.980 --> 00:59:43.160
Nessie: Bye!

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