Paloma Baerschi – How a Rabbit Taught a Human How to Communicate
Is it possible that a rabbit could know more about Animal Communication than a human? It is. Find out how a rabbit trained a human to become a renowned animal communicator. Join us for a conversation with Paloma Baertschi from Switzerland on how rabbits have helped her develop her skills, have assisted with life-saving medical knowledge, and changed the course of her life forever. This episode will challenge you to view animal intelligence from a whole new perspective.
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BIO:
Born in the Year of the Horse, I was drawn to these animals from a very early age. I got my first riding lesson when I was five.
I can look back on over 35 years of riding experience, which I shared with Ljomi, my Icelandic horse, for 21 years.
The animals have always been friends to me and we had a very special bond until we were young.
But my professional career initially took me somewhere completely different. I completed a commercial apprenticeship at a major bank, followed by a six-month stay in England, which continued with additional experience in the commercial area, further training to become a management assistant, training to become a webmaster and founding my own internet consulting company.
In the summer of 98 I had the key experience that led me back to the animals; when a horse spoke to me. There had always been animals in my life throughout my life and I had a good relationship with them, but I increasingly noticed that I had lost something. When I came across the book “Conversations with Animals” by Penelope Smith, my path was clear to me.
Since I wasn't just interested in being able to communicate with animals , but also in helping them holistically, I trained as a life energy consultant for animals. I learned various forms of therapy, including radionics, color therapy, Bach flowers and homeopathy.
I later trained as a dog trainer at Turid Rugaas in order to be able to help people with behavior problems (people usually have behavior problems, even though they mean well, and not the dogs).
I have been working full-time as an animal-human life coach since 2004 and combine my diverse knowledge to help people better understand their animal companions from AZ, to increase the quality of life of animals and people in order to achieve an even more harmonious coexistence.
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Announcer: This is Pet Life Radio.
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Announcer: Let's talk pets.
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Announcer: Welcome to The Human-Animal Connection show, where we believe we can communicate with all animals.
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Announcer: Together, let's embrace the transformative healing power of The Human-Animal Connection.
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Genie Joseph: Hello, everyone.
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Genie Joseph: Welcome to The Human-Animal Podcast.
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Genie Joseph: I'm so glad you're with us today because I have a really special guest from Switzerland, and her name is Paloma Baertschi.
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Genie Joseph: And since 2001, she's been a professional animal communicator.
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Genie Joseph: And she has held the keys to an enchanting world where humans and animals converse at an extraordinary level.
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Genie Joseph: And she's going to tell us a little bit about her work and her stories, and we're also going to really look at the possibility of connecting very deeply even after an animal has passed.
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Genie Joseph: So that's going to be what we're focusing on today.
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Genie Joseph: And all the hidden dimensions of the rich language of animals is going to come to life for us here today.
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Genie Joseph: So Paloma, thank you so much for being with us.
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Paloma Baertschi: Well, thank you for having me.
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Genie Joseph: Great.
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Genie Joseph: And let's talk a little bit about what you mean when you say you're an animal communicator.
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Genie Joseph: Tell us about your process of what you do.
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Paloma Baertschi: Well, I communicate not just with animals, but also with plants and other living creatures.
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Paloma Baertschi: So really, it's not just animal communication, it's interspecies communication, what I do.
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Paloma Baertschi: So I basically use conscious telepathic communication to do that.
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Genie Joseph: And let me just ask you, is this something you had all your life as a child that developed later in life?
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Genie Joseph: Just tell us a little bit about your journey.
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Paloma Baertschi: Well, we actually all come into this world with one language and one way of communicating, and that's conscious telepathic communication.
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Genie Joseph: Conscious telepathic communication.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yes, there is also the unconscious telepathic communication, which is working all the time, really.
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Paloma Baertschi: And two people live together, for example, and one goes shopping for groceries, and they have a list with them.
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Paloma Baertschi: And all of a sudden, the person that stays at home thinks, Oh, I forgot to put bread on the list.
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Paloma Baertschi: And the person tries to call the other person, but the hand is off.
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Paloma Baertschi: So no way of connecting.
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Paloma Baertschi: And they keep thinking, Oh, but I need bread.
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Paloma Baertschi: We really do need bread.
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Paloma Baertschi: But they're not connecting consciously with this other person.
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Paloma Baertschi: And then this other person comes back home and says, Look, I don't know why I did that, but I bought some bread, even though it was not on the list.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah, that's great.
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Genie Joseph: I love it when it works like that.
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Paloma Baertschi: So that's really unconscious telepathic communication, or you think about somebody and this somebody phones you.
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Genie Joseph: Yes, yes, yes.
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Genie Joseph: Makes life sweeter.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yeah, we have all experienced things like that.
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Paloma Baertschi: And they're not coincidences.
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Paloma Baertschi: There's telepathy at work, but on an unconscious level.
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Genie Joseph: Right, right.
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Paloma Baertschi: And I want you to do that on a conscious level as well.
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Paloma Baertschi: And we come into this world with this.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah, wonderful.
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Genie Joseph: Well, I was hoping I could get you to tell a story.
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Genie Joseph: I've heard it before, but I want our listeners to hear about the rabbit that you decided you wanted to communicate with.
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Genie Joseph: And can you tell us, well, first of all, what made you feel that you wanted to talk to this particular rabbit?
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Genie Joseph: What did you sense about that?
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Paloma Baertschi: Are you talking about Spot?
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: Spot is one of my animal mentors.
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Paloma Baertschi: And when I started to relearn animal communication, because as I said, we all can do that when we are children, we just don't know it and we lose it as we grow older.
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Paloma Baertschi: So when I relearned it and I had this rabbit and I wanted to connect with this rabbit, I mean, I have been talking to other animals, so I wanted to connect with my own rabbit.
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Paloma Baertschi: So I connected with Spot and I got the answer from Spot.
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Paloma Baertschi: I'm a philosopher.
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Paloma Baertschi: You are not at my level.
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Paloma Baertschi: You're not going to understand me.
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Paloma Baertschi: Keep on learning.
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Genie Joseph: Yes, yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: And I thought like, what?
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Paloma Baertschi: This is an answer.
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Paloma Baertschi: I mean, it's impossible that I have made up this answer.
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Paloma Baertschi: No way I would ever make up this kind of answer.
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Genie Joseph: Right.
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Paloma Baertschi: So I thought, oh, this is spooky.
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Paloma Baertschi: This is weird.
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Paloma Baertschi: So I kept on learning.
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Paloma Baertschi: And some months later, I came back to Spot after having talked to other animals.
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Paloma Baertschi: I came back to Spot and wanted to contact Spot again and talk to Spot.
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Paloma Baertschi: And I got the same answer.
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Paloma Baertschi: I'm a philosopher.
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Paloma Baertschi: You're not at my level.
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Paloma Baertschi: You're not going to understand me.
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Paloma Baertschi: Keep on learning.
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Paloma Baertschi: And I kept getting this answer for two years.
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Genie Joseph: Two years.
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Paloma Baertschi: After two years, he decided to communicate with me.
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Paloma Baertschi: After one and a half year, you know, like I came to a point where I thought, this is just not working with this rabbit.
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Paloma Baertschi: I mean, this is, I must be making this up.
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Paloma Baertschi: This can't be true, you know, like.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: But then he talked to me after two years.
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Paloma Baertschi: He started talking to me.
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Paloma Baertschi: It's never ever stopped again.
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Paloma Baertschi: And we, we wrote a book.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: You set your own limits.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: And we wrote that about 20 years ago.
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Paloma Baertschi: And it's about different parts of life.
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Paloma Baertschi: And you have small texts in it.
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Paloma Baertschi: And he covers a lot of things.
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Paloma Baertschi: And we are currently writing another book.
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Paloma Baertschi: So hopefully we will publish it this year.
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Genie Joseph: That's great.
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Genie Joseph: That's such a great story.
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Genie Joseph: It's great that you didn't give up.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yes.
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Genie Joseph: I think I would have given up after you said that twice.
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Genie Joseph: I said, okay.
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Genie Joseph: That's really great.
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Genie Joseph: Well, I know that you also have helped people communicate with animals who have passed.
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Genie Joseph: Is it any different communicating with an animal who has passed, with an animal who is still here?
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Paloma Baertschi: Actually, it's the same.
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Genie Joseph: Is it easier or exactly the same?
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Paloma Baertschi: I think for me, it's the same, because we're not talking with the body.
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Paloma Baertschi: We're talking with the being inside the body.
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Paloma Baertschi: Mm-hmm.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: So it's great.
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Genie Joseph: That's great.
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Genie Joseph: And can you tell us a little bit, like how do you...
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Genie Joseph: Well, let's say going back when you were still learning, how did you know for sure that what you were doing was authentically coming from the animal and not a projection?
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Genie Joseph: I know a lot of people worry about that when they're starting animal communication.
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Genie Joseph: Is this coming from me or did the animal really say it?
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Paloma Baertschi: Well, first of all, I must say everything is coming from you, because it's your interpretation.
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Paloma Baertschi: Ah, yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: So, you know, ten people can hear the same phrase, and you've got ten different interpretations of the same phrase.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: So, really, when people ask me this question, I get this question a lot, because I also teach animal communication.
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Paloma Baertschi: So, it's one of the main questions my students ask me.
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Paloma Baertschi: How do I know when is it from the animal and when is it from me?
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Paloma Baertschi: I say, well, it's very easy.
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Paloma Baertschi: It's always from you.
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Paloma Baertschi: Because it's always your interpretation.
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Paloma Baertschi: The correct question would be, how much have I understood?
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Genie Joseph: Ah, yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: Have I understood 50%, 80%, 90%?
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: It's, you know, it's like when you speak a language, you need to learn the vocabulary.
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Paloma Baertschi: You need to learn the grammar.
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Paloma Baertschi: And the more vocabulary you know, the more you understand.
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Paloma Baertschi: And telepathy communication is another language.
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Paloma Baertschi: It's like English, Spanish, German, whatever.
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Paloma Baertschi: And there is also a vocabulary there.
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Paloma Baertschi: And the vocabulary for telepathy is feelings.
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Paloma Baertschi: The feelings are the words.
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Genie Joseph: Right, right.
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Genie Joseph: So when you're communicating with an animal, you feel the feelings that they're feeling?
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Genie Joseph: Is that a good description of what you experience?
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Paloma Baertschi: Yes, when I communicate with an animal, I get the feelings.
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Paloma Baertschi: It's always an exchange of feelings.
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Paloma Baertschi: Because if we take the word telepathy and we translate it, we get tele, which means distance, and pati, which means feeling.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: So it's actually a feeling at a distance, and the distance doesn't matter.
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Paloma Baertschi: It can be on the other side of the world.
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Paloma Baertschi: Or the animal can be in the same room as you are, so it doesn't really matter.
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Paloma Baertschi: So it's an exchange of feelings.
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Paloma Baertschi: Now, the way we interpret those feelings is different in every person.
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Paloma Baertschi: It can be that somebody gets the feeling, somebody gets pictures, somebody gets words.
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Paloma Baertschi: And this is the most crazy thing, you know, and that's where people really get unsure.
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Paloma Baertschi: Is it really?
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Paloma Baertschi: I mean, the animal doesn't speak English, and I'm getting words.
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Paloma Baertschi: But it's their way of interpreting the feeling that the animal is sending.
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Paloma Baertschi: And the feelings are the same in animals and in humans.
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Paloma Baertschi: Because when we look at the feeling, what is the feeling?
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Paloma Baertschi: A feeling is a vibration on a certain frequency.
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Paloma Baertschi: That's what the feeling is.
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Paloma Baertschi: A feeling is a vibration on a certain frequency.
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Paloma Baertschi: And it doesn't matter whether it's a dog that feels that feeling, whether it's a cat, a mouse, a human, a horse.
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Paloma Baertschi: That feeling has a vibration on a certain frequency.
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Paloma Baertschi: It's like when you listen to the radio.
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Paloma Baertschi: You'll listen to the radio on a certain frequency.
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Paloma Baertschi: And everybody that wants to listen to this special radio channel needs to tune in into that frequency.
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Paloma Baertschi: And it doesn't matter who is listening to that radio channel.
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Paloma Baertschi: But they need to tune in to that frequency.
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Paloma Baertschi: Otherwise, they're not hearing that channel.
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Genie Joseph: Right, exactly.
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Genie Joseph: Good.
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Genie Joseph: Good.
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Genie Joseph: Very, very clear.
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Genie Joseph: Well, I know you've helped me with my dog Lulu, who was a dog that we fostered from the shelter.
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Genie Joseph: She was a very challenging case, and we loved her very much.
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Genie Joseph: And there was an incident, you know, there was a very severe bite, and the shelter put her down.
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Genie Joseph: And I would love to hear your thoughts, because you helped us through that.
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Genie Joseph: But just kind of tell us what you were able to see and know and what has changed since, if you've had a chance to tune in to her.
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Paloma Baertschi: So for Lulu, it was a very difficult situation as well, because she didn't want the things to happen that happened.
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Genie Joseph: Right.
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Paloma Baertschi: And she was holding on to until you were there.
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Paloma Baertschi: You know, so that was amazing.
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Genie Joseph: I know, it was amazing.
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Genie Joseph: I'll just tell the audience what happened.
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Genie Joseph: The shelter had certain rules about the euthanasia.
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Genie Joseph: They were willing to let us be there, but they wouldn't let us there until they wouldn't let us into the room with her until she was completely down.
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Genie Joseph: That's just their rules.
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Genie Joseph: And so we were waiting.
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Genie Joseph: It was supposed, the first shot was supposed, should have been 10 minutes, 15 minutes, half an hour at the most.
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Genie Joseph: And it took almost three hours, I think it was, or two hours or something very significant.
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Genie Joseph: And she waited for us.
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Genie Joseph: And, you know, I was able to go in and give her whipped cream and hug her and kiss her and tell her I loved her and all that good stuff before she finally left.
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Genie Joseph: But it was amazing how long she waited.
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Genie Joseph: And we knew that she was waiting for us, and we told them she was waiting for us.
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Genie Joseph: But of course, they didn't believe that.
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Genie Joseph: Well, I don't know if they didn't believe it, but they just had their rules.
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Genie Joseph: They wouldn't let us go in because once you have that kind of a bite, they don't allow you to be until the animal is very far sedated.
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Genie Joseph: So anyway, but yeah, it was very hard.
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Genie Joseph: That was very hard.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: And you know, the reason why she waited was because we communicated with her beforehand, and we told her that you would be there.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: So she was actually waiting for you to come.
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Genie Joseph: I know, I know.
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Paloma Baertschi: But one thing that maybe is also very important to know is that animals do not identify with their body.
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Paloma Baertschi: So, you know, it's like we humans tend to identify with our bodies.
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Genie Joseph: We say, well, this is me, here's my body.
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Genie Joseph: Exactly.
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Paloma Baertschi: This is me.
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Paloma Baertschi: We point at our body or we say, I've got a headache.
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Genie Joseph: Right.
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Paloma Baertschi: No, you don't have a headache.
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Paloma Baertschi: Your body has, your head, the head of your body has a headache.
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Paloma Baertschi: Not you.
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Paloma Baertschi: I mean, the body, our body is like our vehicle.
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Paloma Baertschi: The vehicle we have to be here on this earth.
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Paloma Baertschi: That's why we are in this body, but we are not our body.
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Paloma Baertschi: And animals know that.
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Paloma Baertschi: They don't identify with their body.
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Paloma Baertschi: And you know, when I started, it was crazy, because I phoned, I communicated with animals that were, you know, they were not very well, that they were about to pass, and people were asking me, well, how is my animal doing?
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Paloma Baertschi: And I connected with those animals, and I got a good feeling, you know, the animal is doing great, you know, and they were telling me, are you really sure you are connected with the right animal?
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Paloma Baertschi: I mean, the animal is a pathic.
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Paloma Baertschi: It's not like, it's not hardly moving anymore.
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Paloma Baertschi: And I go like, what am I doing wrong here?
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Paloma Baertschi: You know, like, I didn't understand it.
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Paloma Baertschi: I contacted with the animal, and the animal was going like, oh, yeah, some of those animals were not in the body anymore, but I didn't realize that.
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Genie Joseph: Wow.
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Paloma Baertschi: You know, animals tend to go out of the body when they are, for example, when they are in pain or something like that, and then they go out of the body, and then they come back in, and then they come go back out again, and sometimes they just practice, you know, leaving the body.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: And, but for me then, I had no idea.
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Paloma Baertschi: I had no clue what was going on.
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Paloma Baertschi: And then I came across a book called Here and Now.
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Paloma Baertschi: And it was written by Osho.
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Paloma Baertschi: And because you have to be in the Here and Now to communicate with animals, that title captured my attention.
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Paloma Baertschi: So I looked at the book, and the first title, the first title of the first chapter, the title of the first chapter was something like Death, The Biggest Lie of Humanity.
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Paloma Baertschi: I go like, ooh, I have to read this book.
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Paloma Baertschi: So I read that book, and Osho talks about humans there.
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Paloma Baertschi: He doesn't talk about animals, he talks about humans.
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Paloma Baertschi: But he talks about humans identifying with their body while they shouldn't identify with their body because they are not their body.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: And there, I figured out, oh, hold on, that's what's happening with the animals.
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Genie Joseph: Yes, I've seen that.
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Genie Joseph: When I've been asked to communicate with animals or passing, and they tell me they're fine and they're peaceful, and the person will say, should I use the nice now?
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Genie Joseph: And they said, that'd be fine, or later, that'd be fine.
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Genie Joseph: It's like the whole thing is fine.
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Genie Joseph: It's like they're completely calm.
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Genie Joseph: Well, we're going to take a short little break, and then we're going to be right back and talk more about this fascinating subject.
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Genie Joseph: Welcome back to The Human-Animal Connection.
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Genie Joseph: I'm speaking with Paloma Baertschi and we're speaking about animal communication.
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Genie Joseph: And I was just so curious.
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Genie Joseph: I wonder if Lulu would like to say anything about this conversation that we're having today.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yeah, so the information that I get from her is that she has been very happy to be with you, that she is always with you, that she still is with you.
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Paloma Baertschi: And actually, what I told you before, she will come back and you will find her.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: But then she doesn't want to come as a foster.
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Paloma Baertschi: She actually then wants to stay.
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Genie Joseph: Yes, totally understood.
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Genie Joseph: Well, it's very, very funny because there is a dog that looks like Lulu, not at all like her behaviorally, but is a wonderful therapy dog.
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Genie Joseph: But I know Lulu is still on her way.
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Genie Joseph: So I'm glad that she's doing well, right?
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Genie Joseph: Is she happy now?
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Genie Joseph: What's she up to?
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Genie Joseph: What's her life like now in the beyond?
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Genie Joseph: I know a lot of people wonder that.
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Genie Joseph: So we'll just take a look at Lulu's world and I'm giving Paloma a chance to tune in.
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Genie Joseph: So when she's ready, she'll tell me.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: So I can see her jumping around, like running around and jumping around and really having fun.
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Paloma Baertschi: And I get the feeling that she is, when you're working with therapy dogs, she is there.
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Paloma Baertschi: Oh, I don't know if you ever felt her, but I wild.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: I get the feeling that she's there and she, she comes, she, yeah, and she's learning, but she's always calming down some of the animals that are a little bit, honestly, insecure.
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Paloma Baertschi: Oh, so she, she gives them comfort.
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Genie Joseph: How nice of her.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yeah.
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Genie Joseph: How nice of her to be the calm one, because in, when she was in her body, she was not calm.
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Paloma Baertschi: Exactly.
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Paloma Baertschi: And I mean, that's, that's the beauty of it, that animals, when they are out of their body, they can be totally different than in their body.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah, wonderful.
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Genie Joseph: So they really are still continuing to evolve as souls, you know, even though they have left the physical realm or maybe because they've left the physical realm, that doesn't mean it's the end of their experience.
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Genie Joseph: They are continuing to evolve.
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Genie Joseph: So I'm just curious what you've noticed about the dogs that you work with in your dream team, how they have been evolving after they've left physical form and how you've continued to communicate with them.
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Genie Joseph: So what's your relationship like now with those animals who have passed from this world?
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Paloma Baertschi: Oh, well, we have a very strong connection.
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Paloma Baertschi: We have still a very strong bond.
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Paloma Baertschi: And, you know, all every animal has their own calling or job or whatever you want to call it.
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Paloma Baertschi: And they come with that job into this earth.
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Paloma Baertschi: And sometimes, most of the time, their job doesn't have to do anything with what you give them as a job.
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Paloma Baertschi: Right, right.
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Paloma Baertschi: And, you know, when they leave, they continue with their job.
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Paloma Baertschi: So, for example, I had this rabbit, not Spot, but Luna.
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Paloma Baertschi: Luna was the partner of Spot.
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Paloma Baertschi: So Luna is my shaman and medical medicine woman.
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Paloma Baertschi: So she's my shaman and medicine woman.
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Paloma Baertschi: And Spot is the philosopher, and he is still the philosopher and the mentor.
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Paloma Baertschi: And what I have learned from them, and that they can go and check out situations that they couldn't do when they were in their bodies, obviously.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yeah, yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: And I have people calling me and asking me, can you ask Luna whether she can see what the condition is of this and this animal?
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Paloma Baertschi: Or sometimes even people tell me, I feel a little bit awkward.
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Paloma Baertschi: Can you ask Luna what's the problem with me?
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Paloma Baertschi: And I go like, you know, we can't make a diagnosis or anything like that, you know, we're not a doctor and not a vet or anything like that.
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Paloma Baertschi: And neither is Luna.
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Paloma Baertschi: So we can only give you some indication maybe.
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Paloma Baertschi: But very, very often when Luna says something, and then people go to the vet with their animal or to the doctor, and then they say, well, could you maybe check on this?
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Paloma Baertschi: And they do check on this, and it's the right hint.
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Genie Joseph: Yes, wonderful.
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Genie Joseph: And of course, that person doesn't say, this rabbit told me.
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Paloma Baertschi: No, of course not.
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Paloma Baertschi: Or another thing that Luna does very often is when there are people that need to go to the vet with their animal, then I ask the person, do you want Luna to come with you?
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Paloma Baertschi: And then they say, yes, please.
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Paloma Baertschi: And the reason, no, this is a crazy story.
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Paloma Baertschi: The moment I realized the power of Luna, that was client of mine, and she had this dog, and this dog wanted to have babies.
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Paloma Baertschi: And so she coupled her up with a dog, and they had an accident.
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Paloma Baertschi: Oh, yeah, while the other dog was mounting her, there was an accident.
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Paloma Baertschi: So she had to rush to the hospital with the dog, and she called me.
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Paloma Baertschi: And then she said, what do I do?
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Paloma Baertschi: And I talked to the dog, and the dog said, I don't want to be neutered at all.
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Paloma Baertschi: So I said, well, I mean, something was broken inside, you know?
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Paloma Baertschi: And then she said, well, okay, let's see what the person at the hospital say.
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Paloma Baertschi: And Luna then said, I can assist.
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Paloma Baertschi: And I go like, okay, whatever.
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Paloma Baertschi: If you want to assist, you can assist.
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Paloma Baertschi: So I told my client, Luna is assisting.
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Paloma Baertschi: Back then, I had no clue what was going to happen.
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Paloma Baertschi: So she rushes to the hospital.
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Paloma Baertschi: The dog gets operated.
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Paloma Baertschi: And at some point, Luna contacts me and says, everything has gone fine.
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Paloma Baertschi: That was the only information I got.
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Paloma Baertschi: Everything has gone fine.
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Paloma Baertschi: So I call my client and I say, everything's gone fine.
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Paloma Baertschi: And then she says, I haven't heard from the hospital yet.
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Paloma Baertschi: Have they neutered her?
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Paloma Baertschi: And I go like, well, if Luna says everything has gone fine, probably not.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: And then half an hour later, she calls me and said, the hospital has called.
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Paloma Baertschi: And she had talked to the vet himself that made the operation.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: And the vet said to her, well, something very strange happened.
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Paloma Baertschi: We haven't neutered her, but it was so strange.
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Paloma Baertschi: I saw it blindly.
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Paloma Baertschi: It was like somebody was guiding my hand.
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Genie Joseph: Wow.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: I get goosebumps just telling the story.
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Paloma Baertschi: I mean, she knew who it was.
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Paloma Baertschi: I knew who it was.
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Paloma Baertschi: Obviously, she didn't tell the vet.
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Genie Joseph: A rabbit's going to be helping you with the surgery.
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Paloma Baertschi: But I mean, that was the point where I realized that Luna was amazing.
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Paloma Baertschi: And sometimes Luna actually goes with the people to the vet just to calm the animals down.
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Paloma Baertschi: And I have had feedback from clients telling me, oh, can Luna calm?
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Paloma Baertschi: Because when Luna is with us, then my cat is much calmer at the vet.
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Genie Joseph: Oh, yeah, that's so sweet.
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Genie Joseph: And did that dog ever have puppies?
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Paloma Baertschi: Unfortunately, not.
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Paloma Baertschi: No.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah.
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Genie Joseph: No.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah.
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Genie Joseph: But that's just amazing that the way animals can serve.
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Paloma Baertschi: Well, sorry, she didn't have puppies.
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Paloma Baertschi: But, you know, there is this...
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Paloma Baertschi: And a lot of people will probably relate to that.
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Paloma Baertschi: There are some times where it looks like a dog is pregnant.
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Paloma Baertschi: I don't know what you call that in English.
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Paloma Baertschi: Where it looks like a dog is pregnant, but it's not.
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Paloma Baertschi: You know, like, it's like they're going through all the faces.
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Paloma Baertschi: And what I learned from the animals is that these...
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Paloma Baertschi: There are actually light beings.
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Paloma Baertschi: They call themselves light beings.
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Paloma Baertschi: And they come onto this earth to do good work, but they need the earthly vibration.
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Paloma Baertschi: And in order to get the earthly vibration, they go into a body.
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Paloma Baertschi: And then they are born.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yeah, they are born.
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Paloma Baertschi: And obviously we don't see them.
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Genie Joseph: Right.
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Paloma Baertschi: But they are born.
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Paloma Baertschi: And often what they do is they go into a plushy or something.
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Paloma Baertschi: And then after a while they leave the plushy, they leave the toy and the goal.
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Paloma Baertschi: And this dog, actually this dog, once after she had the operation, there was this situation where it looks like she was pregnant, but she wasn't.
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Genie Joseph: Right.
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Paloma Baertschi: And so I told my client that, and she said, oh, okay, great.
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Paloma Baertschi: So she knew when the puppies were due.
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Paloma Baertschi: The puppies were born, the light beings were born, and at least one of them went into a toy.
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Paloma Baertschi: And this dog was carrying her toy everywhere.
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Paloma Baertschi: And one day, one day, she walks up to her human and shows her the toy.
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Paloma Baertschi: And my client didn't think.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: Takes the toy and throws it.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yeah, exactly.
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Paloma Baertschi: And she immediately called me, because she said, please, please, please, can you tell my dog?
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Paloma Baertschi: I'm so, so, so sorry.
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Paloma Baertschi: My dog is sitting next to me, staring at me.
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Paloma Baertschi: And I just realized I threw the puppy.
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Genie Joseph: Oh, oh.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah.
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Genie Joseph: That's a wild, wild story.
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Genie Joseph: Well, yeah.
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Genie Joseph: And, you know, dogs sleep a lot.
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Genie Joseph: And I'm just wondering, do you feel that when they're sleeping, sometimes, like, say during the day or whatever, that they're doing inner work, that they're up to something else?
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Paloma Baertschi: Oh, yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yeah, definitely.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yes.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah, that's what I think, too.
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Paloma Baertschi: You know, I used to have courses where people would come to my place, and they were allowed to bring their dogs.
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Paloma Baertschi: So, sometimes, afterwards, they would call me up and say, what have you done to my dog?
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Paloma Baertschi: I haven't done anything to your dog.
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Paloma Baertschi: Why?
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Paloma Baertschi: Well, my dog was so tired, he didn't even want to go for a walk in the evening.
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Paloma Baertschi: This is not normal.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: And they're like, well, your dog, and it has been lying around the whole day.
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Paloma Baertschi: No, your dog hasn't been lying around the whole day.
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Paloma Baertschi: Your dog has been doing energy work.
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Paloma Baertschi: That's why your dog is so tired.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Genie Joseph: Yes.
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Genie Joseph: That's great.
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Genie Joseph: That's wonderful.
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Genie Joseph: Well, is there a way that people can get in touch with you or learn more about your work?
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Genie Joseph: Would you like to give folks some information about how to contact you?
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Paloma Baertschi: Yes.
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Paloma Baertschi: I've got a web website.
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Paloma Baertschi: It's called www.speciesspace.com, all in one word, speciespace.com, so they can contact me through there.
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Paloma Baertschi: Or I have also a podcast called Animal Empathy.
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Genie Joseph: Animal Empathy.
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Paloma Baertschi: Animal Empathy.
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Genie Joseph: Yeah.
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Paloma Baertschi: Yes.
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Genie Joseph: Wonderful.
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Genie Joseph: Well, it's been wonderful to talk with you.
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Genie Joseph: We're just going to have to do another show because there's so much more to talk about, but I want to thank you so much.
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Genie Joseph: Paloma Baertschi from Switzerland, a wonderful animal communicator.
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Genie Joseph: So thank you for turning in to The Human-Animal Connection, and we'll see you in the next episode.
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Paloma Baertschi: Thank you for having me.
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Genie Joseph: Thank you.
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