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Jena Winberry Carr is the co-founder of Cool Cat Collective, a boutique & art gallery for cat people. Her work background is an eclectic mix of nonprofit and small business spanning fields from the arts to food & beverage. Jena has fostered 39 cats to date and only adopted 2 of them. She lives in Long Beach with her partner, child, dog, and never enough cats.

Vita Manzoli grew up in Italy, where the cat overpopulation issue is no better than in the US. While visiting her grandparents in Tuscany, she would always feed and befriend all the outdoor cats, and even talked her Grandma into adopting a few of them. Upon moving to Southern California in 2018, Vita started getting involved with the rescue world by becoming a volunteer at a local kitten nursery. She has since fostered cats and kittens of all ages, including bottle babies, friendly and unsocialized mamas, teenagers and medical fosters. She has been a foster mentor for other foster parents, as well as a member of adoption and TNR teams at a local rescue. The more exposure to the rescue world she got, the clearer it became to her that the problem needs to be addressed at its roots. By improving the lives of community cats, Vita feels she will really be contributing to stopping the never-ending cycle of suffering.

Vita has a background in science and has been working in the research world for over 15 years. Her will to continuously learn and find methodical solutions to problems is her driving force through any challenge she faces in life.

Vita is a proud mom of 4 cats, including a special needs boy, Sebastian, she nurtured back to health after he suffered a severe nerve injury as a baby.

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Michelle Fern: Hey, Michelle Fern here, and you know saving cats is near and dear to my heart.

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Michelle Fern: Did you know that there is an estimated 70 to 100 million free roaming cats in the United States?

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Michelle Fern: And without spay neuter, that number will keep growing.

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Michelle Fern: Not only does spay neuter mainly reduce the community cat population, but it also keeps cats healthier.

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Announcer: Let's Talk Pets on petliferadio.com.

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Michelle Fern: Welcome back, everyone.

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Michelle Fern: I'd like to welcome Jena.

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Michelle Fern: She is the co-founder of the Cool Cat Collective.

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Michelle Fern: And Vita, she is one of the founders of the TNR-based rescue partner, TippedEars.

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Michelle Fern: Welcome, Jena and Vita.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Thank you so much for having us.

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Vita: Thank you.

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Michelle Fern: So we're gonna talk about the Cool Cat Collective, because you guys reached out.

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Michelle Fern: You're a location in Long Beach, a brick and mortar location that is kind of like kind of like a not quite a cat cafe, but you do foster adoptions.

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Michelle Fern: We're going to talk more about that, but it's something so unique.

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Michelle Fern: And you also have merchandise, which I thought was really cool.

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Michelle Fern: But before we get into exactly what that is, can you guys both share some background on yourselves?

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Jena Winberry Carr: Sure.

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Jena Winberry Carr: This is Jena speaking.

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Jena Winberry Carr: I moved back to Long Beach from Washington, DC, about two, two and a half years ago.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And I grew up in Long Beach.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And a big exciting part of moving back was being able to really get invested in the community here.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And part of that was volunteering at the local shelter, which kind of started this whole journey into cat fostering, which as anyone who's fostered knows, and you kind of go on a snowball learning education about why are there so many cats and community cats, and then trap new to return, and you kind of get more and more awareness and education about the overpopulation problem.

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Jena Winberry Carr: So when my husband and I sold our business back in DC, and we're thinking about the next chapter of our lives, we really wanted to dedicate that to creating a new model of blending small business with animal rescue to kind of create a complimentary funding stream for helping cats.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We have a background in small business, and we also are both artists.

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Jena Winberry Carr: So creating this boutique slash art gallery with Foster Cat became, first it was a dream that we didn't know if it would work out, but we started talking about it more and more.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And I had been volunteering with TippedEars, and I just absolutely love what they do.

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Jena Winberry Carr: I think TNR is just the absolute most vital piece of the puzzle in terms of solving the cat overpopulation problem, which as I'm sure you're aware is very, very massive here in LA County.

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Michelle Fern: It's bad every place.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Yeah.

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Michelle Fern: I moved, that's how I got my cat crew, which was at one time five.

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Michelle Fern: I've had a few shows on that, because if you're in a warm area, especially, it's kitten season is not able to October.

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Michelle Fern: It's kind of year round.

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Michelle Fern: I mean, it's still April to October ish, but yeah, it's bad.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Oh yeah.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Yeah.

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Jena Winberry Carr: It's definitely year round here.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And as TippedEars is trapping in Compton, they're coming across lots of litters of kittens and other cats that need to be fooled for medical reasons.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And so that's how they end up also having fosters.

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Jena Winberry Carr: So I was fostering for them and the cats who come into our store, all from TippedEars.

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Jena Winberry Carr: I guess that's a good segue into Vita.

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Vita Manzoli: Okay.

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Michelle Fern: And Vita, tell us about TippedEars.

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Michelle Fern: And I love the name, by the way.

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Vita Manzoli: Oh, yes.

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Michelle Fern: For those that don't know, can you share what TippedEars actually, because there is a thing called TippedEars, what that means also?

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Vita Manzoli: Absolutely.

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Vita Manzoli: So my name is Vita.

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Vita Manzoli: I grew up in Italy.

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Vita Manzoli: I moved to the US when I was in my early 20s, lived in Miami for a very long time.

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Vita Manzoli: And when I moved to California, I started getting involved with local kitten rescues.

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Vita Manzoli: And as time went by and COVID hit, and the whole shelter world changed around us, what the person who then became my rescue partner, Renée, and I sat down and decided that we wanted to focus more on TNR.

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Vita Manzoli: And we started TippedEars because the year tip is the international sign that a cat who lives outside has been trapped, neutered, or spayed and then returned outside.

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Vita Manzoli: So we picked this name, TippedEars, because we represent proudly the TippedEars population.

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Vita Manzoli: And we just decided that doing TNR wasn't enough, that we really wanted to address the root of the problem, especially with shelters increasingly sending, you know, like turning away people because they are always overcrowded.

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Vita Manzoli: And all these cats are outside and there's a lot of people good-hearted who want to help them but don't have the resources to stay and neuter them.

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Vita Manzoli: And so that's how we started our rescue.

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Vita Manzoli: And we take pleas from the public, we go out, we meet them, we meet the cats in the colony, and then we go out with traps, we mainly trap the cats, we bring them, drive them to the stay neuter clinic, where they get paid a neuter, they get vaccinated, they get free medication.

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Vita Manzoli: We take care of any extra medical that the cats will need, and then we release them to their outdoors home, where the feeders can keep feeding them, but they stop reproducing, and they stop adding to the cat of their population problem.

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Michelle Fern: Right, because I don't know the number, but I've seen it.

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Michelle Fern: I had a hired cat catcher for humane catching for Sammy.

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Michelle Fern: This was a long time ago, and Sammy unfortunately is no longer with us, but she was a mama cat that kept having kittens, and I learned, because on the back of her card, I knew this before, but on the back of her card, she has, she's a cat catcher, has a business card, and it just shows the population, you know, how just a few cats over time with the breeding can equal.

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Michelle Fern: I don't know if it, I don't think that a million.

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Vita Manzoli: I can tell you the number if you want the estimate.

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Vita Manzoli: Well, still, if a single female cat, non-spayed in her life, throughout her lifetime, can cause the dirt, okay, in terms of over 400,000 cats.

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Vita Manzoli: So for one female, you get over 400,000.

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Michelle Fern: That's crazy.

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Vita Manzoli: Yes, it is.

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Michelle Fern: I'm curious, since your organization is named TippedEars for the cats TippedEars, do you know where that started or how that started?

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Vita Manzoli: I don't know where it started.

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Vita Manzoli: It probably started along with, I want to say with the Nokia.

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Michelle Fern: I mean, it's a good idea.

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Vita Manzoli: Yeah, I should definitely look.

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Vita Manzoli: I mean, I know that it's international.

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Vita Manzoli: So California actually deviates from, they want to be special, like California likes to be special and California eat for a different year than everybody else.

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Michelle Fern: They do?

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Vita Manzoli: I know because, yes, they do.

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Vita Manzoli: In California, cats get a different year tip than in every world, every other state and every other country.

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Vita Manzoli: But I can tell you that year tip is international.

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Vita Manzoli: I know because I come from Europe and then cats are year tipped over there.

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Vita Manzoli: And it's just international science and it really helps us trappers not to cause any undue stress to the cat, trapping them again and also like wasting precious appointments that are very hard to find right now, bringing in all the other cats.

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Michelle Fern: And I've seen variations from that year tipped, clip the tip of it and the cats are put under, they don't feel it.

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Michelle Fern: So Jena, it's really cool that you are combining your love for art and your love for cats.

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Michelle Fern: How is that working in Cool Cat Collective?

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Michelle Fern: So when you go into your brick and mortar location, what do you see?

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Jena Winberry Carr: So one of the biggest things you'll see when you come in is we always have a art show on display on one of our larger walls.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Currently, our first show is still up.

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Jena Winberry Carr: It is with the artist Nick Vargas.

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Jena Winberry Carr: He is an incredible multimedia artist and we were lucky enough to become friends with him.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Through actually, he gave me my first tattoo because he's also a tattoo artist.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And of course, it's of a cat, but he also works in other mediums and he draws a lot of cats.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And so everything in our store is cat themed.

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Jena Winberry Carr: So we do have a lot of art.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We have a lot of prints, but every single one of those is going to either have a cat in it or be related to cats in some way.

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Jena Winberry Carr: So when you walk in the door, you'll see the current show that's on display.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And with each show, we do a collaborative art piece where we either will have something printed locally or we'll do a t-shirt.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Right now, we have two limited edition prints that we did with Nick for sale as well as his original artwork.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And then we also have more boutique type items, like home decor items.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We have hair clips and stickers and notepads and t-shirt.

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Jena Winberry Carr: But again, everything is leads back to cat.

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Michelle Fern: Leads back to cats.

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Michelle Fern: You also have cats in your shop.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We do.

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Vita Manzoli: Or an option.

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Vita Manzoli: Yes.

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Jena Winberry Carr: So we have Matt, my partner.

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Jena Winberry Carr: He helped me create, was a vision I had in my mind and he made it reality.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We built a very large cat enclosure that has a catwalk that then leads across the whole length of the store to our front window where we have another smaller enclosure.

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Jena Winberry Carr: So the cat can kind of venture into different areas.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And they can also then have their privacy if they don't feel like visiting with people.

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Jena Winberry Carr: They can get up high.

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Jena Winberry Carr: They can go into the back room.

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Jena Winberry Carr: So we have little doors in the wall that lead into a hidden enclosure.

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Jena Winberry Carr: But it's a really, really great way for cats to get exposure, especially right now when adoptions are very low across the board at Cat Rescues.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We've only been open four weeks and we have had nine adoptions, which doesn't sound that high, but it feels high.

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Jena Winberry Carr: It's for those of us who are fostering all the time and know how long it can take some time.

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Jena Winberry Carr: You know, TippedEars, we've had some cats in foster for over a year.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And so we're trying to get these cats in front of people.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We're also trying to spread the joy of cats, whether that's through people finding an item, like a piece of artwork or a silly cat pen for coming in.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We have customers who come in and when they leave, they'll say, thank you so much for the serotonin, because they'll come in and just get to snuggle with cats and then...

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Michelle Fern: I mean, it's a good idea.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Sometimes they buy some things, sometimes they don't, but it brought a little bit of joy to their day and that was one of the big goals for us in terms of the space we wanted to create and the service we want to provide as community members.

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Michelle Fern: Welcome back, everyone.

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Michelle Fern: We're talking to Jena, co-founder of the Cool Cat Collective, and Vita.

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Michelle Fern: She's the TNR-based rescue partner of the Cool Cat Collective from TippedEars.

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Michelle Fern: So, Jena, so you're brick and mortar, you have events that are local, but I looked on your site, and between the, I don't know, a week or so ago, and then, or two weeks ago, and then when I looked recently, you have a lot of cat stuff, as you were talking about, lots of cat merchandise.

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Michelle Fern: So, do you ship everywhere or just US?

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Jena Winberry Carr: So currently, we're just shipping continental US.

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Jena Winberry Carr: I like to always perfect something before expanding it, and right now, since we just opened the brick and mortar, we actually didn't even have shipping for the first two weeks because I just wanted to focus on making sure our in-store experience was how we wanted it to be and make any changes we needed to make without being distracted by the larger reach.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Then we expanded to the Continental US, and then once we feel like that is fully running the way we want it to operate, and we've done everything we need to do to make that process as fluid and smooth as possible, then we'll look at potentially moving outside of the Continental US.

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Michelle Fern: Do you think that your store is unique because in most cases, or what I've seen mostly out there in the cat world, there's cafes, cat cafes, and there's rescue shelters, and there's not a lot of, you know, in the middle.

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Michelle Fern: I see yours as more in the middle because you're not a cat cafe.

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Michelle Fern: There's no, as far as I know, there's no food or drink for sale.

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Michelle Fern: You don't charge admission.

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Michelle Fern: You have product for sale.

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Michelle Fern: Do you think that this is an idea that can be replicated easily in other locations for cat enthusiasts that want to do, you know, contribute something more than just maybe working for a shelter or adopting, but really want to just do something exciting?

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Jena Winberry Carr: You know, I think it would be wonderful if that became the case.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Part of the reason we created the model we did was because the existing models, while wonderful in their own right, weren't something I wanted to do, partly because I do think with something like a cat cafe that really speaks to people who already know they love cats, who already maybe know they want to adopt a cat, and also have the funds to be able to spend that money to go in to visit with cats.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We wanted to kind of take a little bit of that pressure off while still giving people the ability to enjoy cats and potentially find their new best friend, maybe even if they weren't looking for it.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And also it's just a very different community space.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We are hoping to do kind of more education events around maybe like a TNR 101 type class.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We really want to bring a lot of awareness about what everyone in the community can do to have an impact, whether it's learning about TNR, whether it's fostering, whether it's simply gaining the education to understand when to leave kittens alone, or what to do when you find a cat in your backyard.

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Jena Winberry Carr: I cannot tell you how many people come into the store just to tell me, there's a cat in my yard, what do I do?

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Michelle Fern: Oh my gosh.

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Jena Winberry Carr: It's been really interesting because we've been able to talk to all these people about TNR, about community cat, about the overpopulation problem, and also just about the fact that there are people whose cats are outdoors and they might wander into your yard, but we don't kidnap cat.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We always want to make sure if they're the cat that's wandering into your yard, that you talk to your neighbors, that if you need to, you take it to a vet to get its chip bread.

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Jena Winberry Carr: You look around before you then take that cat somewhere away from its home.

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Jena Winberry Carr: It's been a really interesting experience.

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Michelle Fern: Hey, I have a question for you.

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Michelle Fern: This is a little off-subject, but it's one of these things.

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Michelle Fern: Are you indoor cat or outdoor cat are mixed as far as prepping?

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Michelle Fern: Usually, it's indoor, indoor, outdoor.

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Michelle Fern: If you're the cat pet parent.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We're indoor only in terms of pet cat.

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Michelle Fern: In Europe, most of the people I've had on the show from Europe have been from UK, and they're big on indoor outdoor.

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Michelle Fern: I had a neighbor that was indoor outdoor, and I thought it was a stray, and I was feeding his cat for a long time.

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Michelle Fern: For me, it's because there's hossums and coyotes and raccoons, and it's hot.

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Michelle Fern: South Florida is hot.

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Michelle Fern: I know California can get hot too, but I think of the dangers out there, but they don't have some of those dangers in the UK.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Yeah, I think it really varies on the community that you're in, and also how well-versed your community is in cat and community members.

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Jena Winberry Carr: You look at some place like Turkey, you look at how cats are really seeing more as part of the community, and they have their own rights, and the community takes care of them as part of community members, whereas very different here, it's much more individualistic.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Vita pointed out that in the UK, cats have an actual right to roam by law, whereas you don't have that here.

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Jena Winberry Carr: That probably also makes a big impact in what people choose to do.

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Michelle Fern: That's really interesting, because I had no idea.

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Michelle Fern: And I think also, and I live in more of a city, you know, suburbs, but still city, compared to some of the other areas.

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Michelle Fern: I'm sure if I lived in the country, I'd be much more open to like indoor outdoor.

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Michelle Fern: All right, let's get back to the Cool Cat Collective.

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Michelle Fern: So, Jena, I know you have some exciting events coming up, but you also talked about some future events.

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Michelle Fern: So if anybody is in California, traveling to Southern California, they can attend.

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Michelle Fern: So what is some of these events that you're thinking about having at the Cool Cat Collective?

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Jena Winberry Carr: Well, events that we currently have already on the book scheduled.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We have our next art show, which is called Monster Cats, so that people can kind of start their spooky season off, and that will run through Halloween.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And then we are also working on a collaborative art show with a bookstore across the street called Page Against the Machine.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And that is going to be the Childless Cat Lady artwork show.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And so we will have half of the artwork over here, they will have half of the artwork over there, and that will run from September 27th through November 8th.

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Jena Winberry Carr: In addition to that, we are in talks with our rescue partner about doing a TNR 101 kind of free educational meetup class.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And we hope to add more events including a cat crochet class.

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Michelle Fern: Have you considered a virtual event?

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Jena Winberry Carr: We might do that.

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Michelle Fern: Making it virtual as well for those of us that are like me across the country?

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Jena Winberry Carr: Yeah, so when we do have a like a speaker come or if we do a TNR 101 or something like that, we will do a live stream most likely as well, so that people can tune in to it and also have it recorded, so that people can then go to our website and see it later.

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Jena Winberry Carr: And also in terms of our art show, we do have all of the art pieces on our website as well in the shop for sale, so people can kind of peruse the art show by just clicking.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Currently, because it's Nick Vargas, if you click his name, you can see all of his art pieces.

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Jena Winberry Carr: In the future, we'll have a tag for each art show, so you can click the tag and then look at all the pieces, because they'll be from a variety of different artists.

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Michelle Fern: Any message for any of our listeners out there listening in Catland?

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Jena Winberry Carr: I think there are so many different ways people can get involved, ways big and small, even just resharing cats that are available for adoption on social media, or when people come into our store and take pictures of the cats and share them with their network.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Seeing equal saved is a great motto to follow in that way, and all those little actions add up to saving lives.

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Michelle Fern: Thank you so much for coming on.

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Michelle Fern: Thank you, Vita.

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Michelle Fern: Thank you, Jena.

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Michelle Fern: Thank you so much for coming on, Cattitude.

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Michelle Fern: I hope to hear and see great things from the Cool Cat Collective.

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Michelle Fern: And hey, when I get to California again, which I'm not sure when that's going to be, I'll come visit.

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Jena Winberry Carr: Oh, wonderful.

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Jena Winberry Carr: We'd be happy to have you.

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Michelle Fern: I hope you all enjoyed this show.

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Michelle Fern: I am so passionate about TNR.

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Michelle Fern: Please check out the Cool Cat Collective.

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Michelle Fern: The website is coolcatcollective.co.

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Michelle Fern: Thanks to my guests, Jena and Vita.

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Michelle Fern: I want to thank my cat crew, Dennis, Charlotte and Molly for all you do and how much you teach me about cats.

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Michelle Fern: Thanks to everyone listening to Cattitude.

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Michelle Fern: I appreciate you so much.

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Michelle Fern: And of course, thanks to my amazing producer, Mark Winter, for working his magic and making us sound incredible.

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Michelle Fern: Now, remember, lose the attitude, have Cattitude.

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