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Kerry Nichols is a former attorney turned canine educator and advocate whose journey into the world of dogs began nearly fifteen years ago. With the founding of Nicholberry Goldens, she devoted herself to raising the healthiest Golden Retrievers possible. This evolved into a mission to instill emotional resilience and agency in her own puppies, a pursuit she now shares with an audience of hundreds of thousands of followers across social media. Her methods continue to garner support from leading veterinarians, trainers, and psychologists, and notable owners of her Goldens include executives from Facebook, Microsoft, and Tinder.

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Announcer: So get ready for the pause and applause as we unleash your Oh Behave host, America's Pet Edutainer, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Welcome to the Oh Behave show on Pet Life Radio.

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Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Give me a penny for puppy.

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Arden Moore: Puppies grow up so fast.

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Arden Moore: Now, are you as curious as say a cat, as to how they grow, learn and more?

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Arden Moore: You're in a lot of luck today because our special guest just came out with a must read book that many consider to be, drum roll, the book on puppies.

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Arden Moore: It is called Puppy Brain, How Dogs Learn, Think and Love.

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Arden Moore: Please give pause and applause to our special guest, Kerry Nichols.

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Arden Moore: Welcome to the show, Kerry.

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Kerry Nichols: Thank you so much.

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Kerry Nichols: Thank you for having me.

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Arden Moore: Well, hey, Pet Pals, Kerry is about to unleash how she traded her career.

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Arden Moore: She was a legal beagle, I mean, attorney, to becoming the founder of Nickelbury Goldens.

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Arden Moore: Her mission is to raise the healthiest golden retrievers ever.

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Arden Moore: I love that mission.

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Arden Moore: As you're about to find out, Kerry knows a lot about DOGs.

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Arden Moore: Kerry, you ready to get started?

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Kerry Nichols: I am.

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Arden Moore: Boy, I got schooled in your book in a good way.

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Arden Moore: Your book is very, very, very, very comprehensive.

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Arden Moore: I don't want to scare everybody, but I took some notes, but I want her to talk about her book.

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Arden Moore: But let's dive in first.

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Arden Moore: People are curious.

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Arden Moore: You were an attorney and you said to yourself, I would rather pick up dog poop and groom Harry Goldens.

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Arden Moore: What made the transition for you?

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Kerry Nichols: It's like a big joke in our house.

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Kerry Nichols: I'll say, the worst day, no matter how much puppy poo is better than drafting interrogatories.

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Arden Moore: Oh, that sounds so important, interrogatories.

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Kerry Nichols: I'm a student.

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Kerry Nichols: I love learning.

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Kerry Nichols: I could go back to school for any degree and I would just enjoy it.

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Kerry Nichols: That part of the law was really fun for me.

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Kerry Nichols: Research, doing trial prep, I really enjoyed all of that.

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Arden Moore: You were a trial attorney.

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Arden Moore: What was your area?

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Kerry Nichols: I worked with a trial attorney, business litigation.

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Kerry Nichols: He was the guy that stood up in court.

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Kerry Nichols: I did things behind the scenes.

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Kerry Nichols: It's not my natural position.

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Kerry Nichols: I always joke that I have an Instagram full of puppies and not full of me because I'm not the one that wants to be in front of the camera.

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Arden Moore: How long were you practicing the law?

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Kerry Nichols: I think I passed the bar.

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Kerry Nichols: I graduated in 95 from law school, and then I think that I officially stopped doing anything legal related around 2003, 2004.

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Arden Moore: Did you like me calling you a legal beagle?

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Kerry Nichols: I actually did like that.

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Kerry Nichols: I've never been called that.

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Kerry Nichols: I might steal it.

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Arden Moore: You can have it.

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Arden Moore: Thank you.

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Arden Moore: I think what you're showing and what our loyal pet pals for our show are finding out, we have to follow our passions.

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Arden Moore: Like you, I spent 20 years as a newspaper reporter.

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Arden Moore: I covered space shuttles, serial killers, Super Bowls.

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Arden Moore: But my real heart was helping pets, and so I also transitioned.

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Arden Moore: Is there any advice you can give people to follow your heart, follow your passion?

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Kerry Nichols: I think, you know, it wasn't for me, I didn't say, oh, I want to do this instead.

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Kerry Nichols: I think that, and I've heard this recently, that you have to do this scary thing of closing the door on what you're currently doing before the next door opens.

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Kerry Nichols: And that is for sure what happens for me, because I didn't know that Nickelbury Goldens was in the future.

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Kerry Nichols: I just knew that I couldn't continue in the legal field.

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Kerry Nichols: It was difficult for me to be in a part of things where there was a lot of conflict and a lot of, it wasn't for me.

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Kerry Nichols: Yeah.

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Arden Moore: Well, and that's all right.

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Kerry Nichols: Yeah.

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Arden Moore: But you get critical thinking skills, and you learn how to read a noun and a verb when you're an attorney, right?

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Kerry Nichols: Oh, and I mean, the research skills, I really am grateful.

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Kerry Nichols: I really feel like that's why I went through law school and working in the legal field, is it enabled me to become the kind of researcher.

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Kerry Nichols: You know, the book doesn't have any citations in the back, Puppy Brain doesn't, because my research document is a 33 page document and we couldn't fit it all in there.

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Kerry Nichols: And so it's off on a website that's referenced in the book.

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Kerry Nichols: But that research, that love of research and the capacity to research and the ability to read challenging material was all skills that I learned as I was practicing law.

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Kerry Nichols: So I think it's funny.

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Kerry Nichols: We just never know how the current skills that we're honing are going to become really useful in a very different way.

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Arden Moore: I agree.

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Arden Moore: So tell us a little bit about your love of goldens.

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Arden Moore: I mean, it's one of the most popular breeds.

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Arden Moore: But get into that.

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Arden Moore: Did you have a golden as a kid?

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Arden Moore: What's the connection?

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Kerry Nichols: Oh, yeah.

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Kerry Nichols: Somebody asked me last, I was at Zibi's in Santa Monica last night.

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Kerry Nichols: Somebody asked me that.

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Kerry Nichols: And I said, look, when I was born, I was born with two things.

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Kerry Nichols: Tommy Trojan in my crib and a golden retriever puppy.

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Kerry Nichols: My family die hard USC Trojan fans and die hard golden retriever lovers.

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Kerry Nichols: And my parents, the funniest side is I actually went to UCLA.

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Kerry Nichols: And when my parents were driving me.

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Arden Moore: That is kind of funny.

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Arden Moore: USC to UCLA.

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Arden Moore: Okay.

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Kerry Nichols: But when my parents were driving me down to move into my first apartment at UCLA, my dad saw a golden retriever and he was like, pulled the car over and had to get out and pet the golden.

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Kerry Nichols: That is just the way I was raised.

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Kerry Nichols: They both are completely irrational about golden retrievers and produce children that are all the same.

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Arden Moore: So Nickelberry, is that the right word for your plate?

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Arden Moore: Tell us about that because people need to know there are responsible breeders out there.

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Arden Moore: And there's a lot of people that love golden retrievers.

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Arden Moore: And as we're going to dive in a little bit about your book, you really need to know a lot of things about a puppy and a breed and how to bring out the best health wise.

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Kerry Nichols: Yeah, I think that has been a big surprise to me.

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Kerry Nichols: I started my Instagram and I started posting about, I think probably early on, health clearances.

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Kerry Nichols: because I am such an autodidact and when I learn something, I feel like that information hurts me if I can't share it.

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Arden Moore: Wait a minute, you said a big word, autodidact.

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Arden Moore: I've never seen that on a crossword puzzle.

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Kerry Nichols: Self-learner, self-taught.

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Kerry Nichols: I can't ever really learn enough.

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Kerry Nichols: I just always want to know more and understanding.

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Kerry Nichols: I just felt like if I was going to purposefully bring puppies into this world, I owed it to the puppies to get to be as healthy as they could be and live healthy lives.

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Kerry Nichols: I owed it to the human beings who are trusting me to give them a puppy that I've done everything I can that will then be a healthy dog.

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Kerry Nichols: So that's an ethic that should be present in anybody who intentionally pairs dogs, period.

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Kerry Nichols: If they don't, then they shouldn't be breeding them.

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Kerry Nichols: I'm really hardcore about that.

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Arden Moore: Well, and Pet Pals, she demonstrates that in her dedication of the book, Puppy Brain.

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Arden Moore: She writes, to the hundreds of puppies I've raised, it has been an honor to be the first voice you've heard, the first hands you licked, the first human you loved.

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Arden Moore: Thank you for trusting me.

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Arden Moore: That's a pretty powerful dedication.

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Kerry Nichols: Thank you.

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Kerry Nichols: That almost makes me cry when you read it.

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Kerry Nichols: I really feel it.

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Kerry Nichols: I really feel it.

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Kerry Nichols: I really feel it's such an honor that I get to be the impressionable human being that they form their first experiences with.

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Arden Moore: Now, you may laugh, but I've written a number of books myself, and I always just tell my folks that we call the first year of a puppy's life the wonder year.

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Arden Moore: You wonder where your sanity goes.

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Arden Moore: That's true.

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Arden Moore: We've got an expert in the house, the author of Puppy Brain, Kerry.

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Arden Moore: You've got fast growing physically, mentally, a pack of pups.

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Arden Moore: What do you think about the wonder year?

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Kerry Nichols: I think that people should really be prepared to be completely exhausted.

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Arden Moore: Okay.

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Kerry Nichols: But I will say this.

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Kerry Nichols: I do think that if you have, you're really ready and you've really prepared.

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Kerry Nichols: I mean, this is why I had to write the book because I needed to be able, I have with the families that take our puppies home, they got all this content over the last 15 years for me.

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Kerry Nichols: My friend, you know, really, that's a big part of it is getting prepared so that you don't have any surprises at home, like not having proper management, not having an area where a puppy can be.

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Kerry Nichols: Just having a dedicated puppy zone can take away so much of the stress of that first year.

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Kerry Nichols: It really can.

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Kerry Nichols: And then if, you know, you lay some great foundations, mostly that your puppy learns to be safe with you, because all about attachment and those really, really baby puppy weeks, then everything else goes so much more smoothly from there.

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Kerry Nichols: So I think it's a lot.

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Kerry Nichols: I mean, you know, I never want to like short sell how much work those early puppy weeks are.

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Kerry Nichols: But if you lay a really strong foundation, it can be better than the horror stories.

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Arden Moore: I like that.

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Arden Moore: Hey, everyone, we're speaking with Kerry Nichols.

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Arden Moore: She's the author of a book you need to get your paws on.

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Arden Moore: It's called Puppy Brain.

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Arden Moore: And we're going to dive in a little bit more.

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Arden Moore: But you all know the drill.

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Arden Moore: We got to take this break.

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Arden Moore: So you'll love this, Kerry.

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Arden Moore: Sit, stay.

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Arden Moore: We'll be right back.

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Announcer: Time for a pause.

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Announcer: Four furry ones, actually, sit and stay.

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Announcer: Oh Behave will be right back.

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Arden Moore: paws up, Pet Pals.

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Arden Moore: Arden Moore here, your host of the Oh Behave show.

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Arden Moore: Did you know there's up to 100 million free roaming cats in the United States?

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Announcer: Let's talk pets on petliferadio.com.

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Announcer: Oh Behave is back with more tail wagging ways to achieve harmony of a household with your pets.

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Announcer: Now, back to your fetching host, America's Pet Edutainer, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Welcome back to the Oh Behave Show on PetLife Radio.

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Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: We're talking with Kerry Nichols, former attorney turned Golden Retriever Advocate extraordinaire.

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Arden Moore: I believe, is this your first book that you've written?

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Kerry Nichols: It is.

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Arden Moore: That is magical.

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Arden Moore: Everyone, it is called Puppy Brain, how dogs, say it for me, say the subtitle.

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Kerry Nichols: How our dogs learn, think and love.

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Arden Moore: It's over 200 pages.

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Arden Moore: She has some citations because she's a former attorney.

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Arden Moore: It isn't just a cute puppy book.

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Arden Moore: I love how the book is organized.

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Arden Moore: And the other thing, everyone, is she's already garnered praise from some top dogs in the pet world, many of them who are my friends and who have been on our show.

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Arden Moore: Dr.

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Arden Moore: Karen Becker, I love this.

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Arden Moore: She says, this book shows you how to prepare for a successful first year, building a rock solid foundation that will last a lifetime.

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Arden Moore: Oh my gosh, Bruce Christensen, he's pretty awesome.

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Arden Moore: He says that you combine an understanding of behavioral and development science with practical experience into a philosophy and method of establishing a strong functional bond with your canine companion.

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Arden Moore: He needs to shorten his sentences, but the words are awesome.

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Arden Moore: And a really special friend of mine, Dr.

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Arden Moore: Lisa Littman, she, believe it or not, we've been friends 15 years, I've seen her go from San Diego to New York and beyond.

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Arden Moore: She's pretty amazing.

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Arden Moore: She's a celebrity veterinarian and the co-founder of PetLoss Community.

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Arden Moore: And I love it.

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Arden Moore: She says, Puppy Brain is a must read for anyone wanting a healthy and fulfilling relationship with their dog.

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Arden Moore: You reached out to the big dogs to have them take a peek at your book.

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Arden Moore: And that's impressive.

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Kerry Nichols: Yeah.

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Kerry Nichols: And I'm really, I feel tremendously honored.

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Kerry Nichols: I have so much respect for them.

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Kerry Nichols: They've all taught me so much.

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Kerry Nichols: And quite frankly, there were chapters that I didn't feel comfortable just writing and then publishing.

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Kerry Nichols: I felt like I needed to have them peer reviewed, like the Spay and Neuter chapter, Dr.

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Kerry Nichols: Christensen was kind enough.

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Kerry Nichols: And then Dr.

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Kerry Nichols: Dani McVeaty on the, you know, the loss chapter because she's the founder of Lap of Love.

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Kerry Nichols: And so I've just been very, very grateful for the people who were kind enough to read it and endorse it.

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Kerry Nichols: It's just, it's been amazing.

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Arden Moore: All right.

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Arden Moore: I want to dive in because you get the magic of seeing them come out of the womb or mama dog.

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Arden Moore: But most people don't really get a puppy.

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Arden Moore: They, they recommend usually, you know, 10 to 12 weeks.

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Arden Moore: Sometimes people get puppies a little sooner.

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Arden Moore: In your book, you mentioned there's two fear periods and all that.

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Arden Moore: But can you put us right there with the first couple of weeks of a puppy that might surprise people about when they see, when they smell, what's going on in their noodle?

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Kerry Nichols: Yeah.

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Kerry Nichols: Well, not much is going on in that noodle.

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Kerry Nichols: because when they're born, their brain is actually just mostly water, and it's astonishing the way that the brain develops and how fast it develops.

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Kerry Nichols: So when they're born, they're altricial, which means that they're not fully developed.

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Kerry Nichols: They have sealed, people will say, they're blind and deaf.

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Kerry Nichols: Well, they have sealed eyes, they have sealed ear canals, and that's to protect those mechanisms that are not fully formed yet.

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Kerry Nichols: They can't regulate their body temperature.

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Kerry Nichols: That's why mom is so important because she provides warmth.

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Kerry Nichols: They can't walk.

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Kerry Nichols: I mean, they are really, I marvel that even though they can't do any of that, they can make their way.

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Kerry Nichols: I call it the milk bar.

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Kerry Nichols: They can make their way to the milk bar.

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Arden Moore: Well, you came up with a word.

00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:08.340
Arden Moore: You're big on words, big words.

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Arden Moore: I'm going to mess it up.

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Arden Moore: Synaptogenesis?

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Kerry Nichols: Oh, synaptogenesis.

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Arden Moore: Oh, say it, snap it, snap it.

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Arden Moore: What does that mean in plain English?

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Kerry Nichols: I'm just basically talking about the way that the brain develops synaptic connections.

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Kerry Nichols: And, you know, obviously I'm not a neuroscientist.

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Kerry Nichols: I make, I hope, I'm a lawyer that makes big disclaimers too.

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Kerry Nichols: And I hope that my disclaimer was clear that, you know, I'm trying to grapple with some really complicated concepts and make them readable.

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Kerry Nichols: And so at the bottom line is that those little brains between birth and around 14 weeks are, and I should, and let me, I'll say, they are creating all sorts of new connections, forming trillions of synapses.

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Kerry Nichols: That continues.

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Kerry Nichols: It's not like the brain stops creating new connections after a puppy reaches 14 weeks of age.

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Kerry Nichols: Just the way that they learn is different.

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Kerry Nichols: And the parts of the brain that are being formed, you know, where memories are being stored and made changes some, but they're, they are just, in those early weeks, they are such soft clay.

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Kerry Nichols: And we have so much-

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Arden Moore: Well, I like that.

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Arden Moore: You paid it out in the book that a 14 day old puppy doesn't really know you're around, but you double that to 28 and the puppies finally are aware of humans.

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Arden Moore: Talk about that because that's important.

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Kerry Nichols: Yeah, I would say, you know, at two weeks of age, maybe they can, maybe their eyes have unsealed, their ears are still sealed, they are still a neonate, the brain is still in a very, very early phase of development.

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Kerry Nichols: And by four weeks of age, ears are unsealed, eyes are unsealed, they're barking, they're bumbling around like little bumper cars, like, you know, banging into each other, they're wobbling around like little drunken sailors.

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Arden Moore: I've dated a few, but keep going.

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Kerry Nichols: Puppies or drunken sailors?

00:16:56.340 --> 00:16:58.260
Arden Moore: No, no puppies.

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Arden Moore: Okay.

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Kerry Nichols: But they're very, very aware.

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Kerry Nichols: I mean, if I sit in that box, when they're four weeks old, it is the most magical experience because they just come over to me and they're sniffing sniff, you know, they're running across like our skin.

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Arden Moore: You smell different.

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Arden Moore: You don't smell like mama.

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Kerry Nichols: Oh, yeah.

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Kerry Nichols: And then they try and climb on you and they just nuzzle you.

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Kerry Nichols: And it's just, they have such a bent already towards humans.

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Kerry Nichols: It's it's extraordinary.

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Kerry Nichols: And that's because they've become familiar with us, right?

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Kerry Nichols: If we had not been there in their environment, then maybe they would not develop that kind of bond with us.

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Kerry Nichols: But we do that really early on intentionally.

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Arden Moore: So let's zip a little forward because you have a whole chapter called Days 50 to 56, Godspeed, little ones.

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Arden Moore: And this is the, oh, they got a tit now, right?

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Kerry Nichols: Yes.

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Arden Moore: What's going on then?

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Arden Moore: About six, five, six weeks.

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Kerry Nichols: Five, six weeks.

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Kerry Nichols: They're very social.

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Kerry Nichols: So at four weeks, if I walk in the puppy area and I say, hi puppies, everyone's heard me do that on Instagram a million times.

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Kerry Nichols: They run around in circles and they can't figure out like where that sounds coming from.

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Kerry Nichols: But by six weeks, those heads are up.

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Kerry Nichols: The eyes are target locked on me.

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Kerry Nichols: They know exactly like as soon as they get a sense that I'm in the room, they're like trotting along their area, trying to get to me.

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Kerry Nichols: They're extremely social at that point.

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Kerry Nichols: Their teeth are fully emerged and they are really beginning to need to chew because it's such a canine thing.

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Kerry Nichols: I mean, that is just instinctual.

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Kerry Nichols: They just have to chew.

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Kerry Nichols: So yeah, by seven weeks, we're getting a lot of track marks on our hands.

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Arden Moore: So before we take a break, what are some things people can do?

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Arden Moore: because they do hurt, they do need the teeth.

00:18:41.540 --> 00:18:47.580
Arden Moore: How do we save our skin and also help them develop proper healthy chewing on safe items?

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Kerry Nichols: Well, I think this goes back to what I said earlier about having a puppy area.

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Arden Moore: Yes.

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Kerry Nichols: Just having that management.

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Kerry Nichols: So they're not like, if they're right with you in your living room and you, there's not a place that they know is theirs.

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Kerry Nichols: They're going to chew on them.

00:19:01.260 --> 00:19:02.780
Kerry Nichols: They're going to chew on the couch.

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Kerry Nichols: They're going to chew on the rug.

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Kerry Nichols: This is what they will do.

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Kerry Nichols: It's not a question of whether they will or not, because they need to.

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Kerry Nichols: So then because they're canines.

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Kerry Nichols: And so instead of getting frustrated or angry with them, if we give them an area that's theirs and we help them relieve, I mean, their jaws are really like they need to be able to get that relief of chewing.

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Kerry Nichols: We can give them also at eight weeks of age, you can start to use bully sticks and a bully stick holder.

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Arden Moore: And thank you for saying that because the bully stick holder, everyone, is reducing the risk of pets dying from choking on objects.

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Arden Moore: I'm a master instructor in Pet First Aid.

00:19:41.940 --> 00:19:48.860
Arden Moore: And there's a veterinarians that have created a new holiday, June 22nd, which is Preventing Pet Choking Day.

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Arden Moore: And thank you for talking about the holder for a bully stick.

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Kerry Nichols: It's really important.

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Kerry Nichols: I wouldn't give a bully stick without one because they can be such a choking hazard.

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Kerry Nichols: I'm a big fan of these treat toys that you can fill.

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Kerry Nichols: There's one that I reference a lot in the book called the Chili Penguin.

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Arden Moore: Yes.

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Kerry Nichols: Fill it.

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Kerry Nichols: You know, and you're satisfying it with those.

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Kerry Nichols: It's really more about the need to lick and the need to chew.

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Kerry Nichols: It's not, I mean, sometimes I'll give our dogs those when they are needing a meal.

00:20:17.340 --> 00:20:19.800
Kerry Nichols: And sometimes I'll give them just to satisfy that need.

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Kerry Nichols: Like if I know they're going to have, like right now, if I'm on a podcast, they need to be doing something.

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Kerry Nichols: It's a great time to give them a frozen treat toy.

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Kerry Nichols: They can lick and on.

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Arden Moore: That's the same thing with that helps their gums, too, when it's a little cooler, right?

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Kerry Nichols: Oh, yeah, it really helps.

00:20:33.740 --> 00:20:35.880
Kerry Nichols: It helps relieve that need.

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Kerry Nichols: So that's our job as humans is to help them relieve the need to chew rather than trying to stop it, because it's not stopping.

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Kerry Nichols: I mean, as an eight week old, you know, 10 week old, 12 week old puppy.

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Arden Moore: Grow up, young pup.

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Arden Moore: Come on.

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Arden Moore: Hey, everyone, we're speaking with Kerry Nichols.

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Arden Moore: She's the author of a new book I want you to get.

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Arden Moore: It is called Puppy Brain.

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Arden Moore: Welcome back.

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Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: We're speaking with Kerry Nichols.

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Arden Moore: This is her first book and is it a great one.

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Arden Moore: She drove in to a book called Puppy Brain, and it's already reaching acclaim from very, very well-respected veterinarians and behaviorists and trainers all over the place.

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Arden Moore: I like how you divided the book up into four parts.

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Arden Moore: You have the developmental milestones.

00:22:52.420 --> 00:22:55.420
Arden Moore: You talk about puppy preparations for us humans.

00:22:56.800 --> 00:23:04.180
Arden Moore: We talk about how you came to be from a lawyer to raising very healthy golden retrievers.

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Arden Moore: Then the final section is just setting your puppy up for happiness.

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Arden Moore: You talked about having a designated puppy zone, and now you got goldens and they grow fast.

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Arden Moore: Can you give us a few more ideas of how if you either are having a litter, but let's go more with people adopting a litter, a puppy or two from you.

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Arden Moore: What week do you recommend that people should really get a puppy, and puppy is ready to be saying bye-bye to mom?

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Kerry Nichols: I think that's super context dependent because it depends on the breed, it depends on the breeder.

00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:43.080
Kerry Nichols: There's so much involved in that.

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Arden Moore: That's why I'm asking the question because I knew you would not say one answer.

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Arden Moore: But dive in because this is really important, Kerry.

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Kerry Nichols: Yeah.

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Kerry Nichols: So for us, because we have done so much for our puppies, by the time they're about eight weeks old, I feel like it's a house of cards because they're doing things like, even though I have the entire puppy zone set up and it's massive, and they have all sorts of things to play with, at eight weeks of brain age, that brain is changing and they want to be with me.

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Kerry Nichols: That's where they want to be.

00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:13.540
Arden Moore: Really?

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Kerry Nichols: It's not that they want to be, if they could choose to be with me or be with the siblings, they're going to climb out of that area and get to me.

00:24:20.440 --> 00:24:26.620
Kerry Nichols: There are many mornings where I come out and I will find a little puppy greeting me.

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Kerry Nichols: I walk down, yeah, they're so proud.

00:24:29.220 --> 00:24:36.220
Kerry Nichols: I walk out of my bedroom and I walk down the hallway and I'll see maybe like a little piddle and I'm like, uh-oh.

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Kerry Nichols: No matter like how, because we do so many challenges for them to build that brain, that no matter what I do, they're determined to get out of there.

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Kerry Nichols: They're ready for one human being, our puppies.

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Kerry Nichols: I'll just say, my puppies are ready for one human being to begin doing things like taking them to the vet for like really positive vet experience.

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Arden Moore: Thank you.

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Kerry Nichols: Yes.

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Kerry Nichols: If I have 10 puppies, taking 10 puppies individually to the vet to go sit in the waiting room and have treats, that is just not really very realistic.

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Kerry Nichols: So I want to get them into their homes, and I really set our families up.

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Kerry Nichols: That's the entire book is what I've ever done with our families so that they are ready to hit the ground running after the three days of decompression with the puppies.

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Kerry Nichols: So I know a lot of small dogs need to go home later than that, for sure.

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Kerry Nichols: I think it depends on the litter and it depends on the breeder.

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Arden Moore: No, I appreciate that because up until this book, really, I've read a lot of books.

00:25:36.980 --> 00:25:39.020
Arden Moore: I've been in the business over 20 years.

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Arden Moore: And we always say that puppies aren't born with a training manual.

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Arden Moore: But I think Puppy Brain is pretty darn close to that because of your research, Ms.

00:25:48.300 --> 00:25:55.400
Arden Moore: Lawyer, because you know how to research and you know how to get it vetted and improved by experts.

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Arden Moore: And that's what people need.

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Arden Moore: Don't you think there's been a void about really, really looking at the science and the development of puppies prior to your book?

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Arden Moore: I'm not trying to set you up like the Moses of puppies, but you really are tackling this topic in not a cute way, but in a very deliberate, in-depth researched manner.

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Kerry Nichols: Thank you.

00:26:17.100 --> 00:26:19.400
Kerry Nichols: Yeah, I think there is a void.

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Kerry Nichols: I also think we have an uphill battle because we were all raised with some really outdated, harmful methods.

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Kerry Nichols: And turning that ship has taken, I mean, it's a lot.

00:26:30.740 --> 00:26:35.180
Kerry Nichols: And I feel like as soon as people understand, oh, dominating my puppy.

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Arden Moore: Give us a couple of don'ts and then dos.

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Kerry Nichols: Okay.

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Kerry Nichols: An example would be when I first started having dogs of my own as a young adult, I had gotten it in my head that I should show my puppy that either I'm the boss or that I'm safe and stick my hand in their bowl while they're eating.

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Kerry Nichols: And it's just the worst advice ever.

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Kerry Nichols: Of course, they're canines.

00:27:03.020 --> 00:27:05.060
Kerry Nichols: I mean, they're not human beings, they're canines.

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Arden Moore: And their most priceless asset next to their woman is their food, not a car, not the house.

00:27:10.740 --> 00:27:13.180
Arden Moore: So you're just taking their diamond rings.

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Kerry Nichols: Yes.

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Kerry Nichols: And creating this threat.

00:27:15.180 --> 00:27:19.600
Kerry Nichols: And I mean, I say it over and over again, our job is to help them feel safe.

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Kerry Nichols: They need to feel safe as baby puppies.

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Kerry Nichols: And that right there doesn't make them feel safe.

00:27:24.600 --> 00:27:27.640
Kerry Nichols: They think, oh, this person isn't to be trusted.

00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:27.800
Kerry Nichols: Yeah.

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Arden Moore: And then the dog might be learning to inhale food, develop blood.

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Kerry Nichols: Resource guard.

00:27:32.980 --> 00:27:34.040
Arden Moore: Resource guarding.

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Arden Moore: I love that.

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Arden Moore: All right.

00:27:35.300 --> 00:27:37.280
Arden Moore: What's another don't to a do?

00:27:37.280 --> 00:27:38.940
Arden Moore: because you're doing, you're knocking it out.

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Kerry Nichols: I mean, this is super really old school, but people used to rub their puppies' noses in wherever they soiled.

00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:48.040
Kerry Nichols: I mean, these are things that we did, right?

00:27:48.040 --> 00:27:49.420
Kerry Nichols: But it's all dominance theory.

00:27:49.840 --> 00:27:58.580
Kerry Nichols: It's all basically like, I'm the boss, you're my little soldier, and you're going to do what I tell you to do.

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Kerry Nichols: That's been for me, that chapter of first train the humans, it's about changing the way people think about canines and understanding, we can have this unbelievably beautiful relationship with our dogs where there's mutuality and there's sentient beings who need us to see them as sentient beings.

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Kerry Nichols: That completely changes the way that we perceive them.

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Arden Moore: In that area, you also say, learn to speak dog, and you see the coffee cups, you know, wag more, bark less, things like that.

00:28:27.360 --> 00:28:33.740
Arden Moore: We think we're stellar at communications, but tell us why dogs maybe have a tail up on us.

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Kerry Nichols: Right, exactly.

00:28:35.900 --> 00:28:39.940
Kerry Nichols: I think that's such a great example because we think, oh, they're wagging, they're happy.

00:28:39.940 --> 00:28:47.660
Kerry Nichols: And in the world of dogs, a tail wag, I mean, first off, all dog communication has to be taken in context.

00:28:47.800 --> 00:28:49.620
Kerry Nichols: You have to look at the entire situation.

00:28:49.620 --> 00:28:50.600
Kerry Nichols: What are their ears doing?

00:28:50.600 --> 00:28:52.100
Kerry Nichols: What's their mouth doing?

00:28:52.100 --> 00:28:53.380
Kerry Nichols: Is it clenched?

00:28:53.380 --> 00:28:54.220
Kerry Nichols: Is it happy?

00:28:54.220 --> 00:28:57.920
Kerry Nichols: You know, are they, is their body, the entire body loose and waggy?

00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:00.380
Kerry Nichols: Or are they stiff with the tail up?

00:29:00.380 --> 00:29:03.720
Kerry Nichols: Which is an indication of, I'm on alert.

00:29:03.740 --> 00:29:06.020
Kerry Nichols: I am, you know, right?

00:29:06.020 --> 00:29:12.540
Kerry Nichols: And they're considering what their next move is, but definitely aren't saying come pet me with that behavior.

00:29:12.540 --> 00:29:14.780
Arden Moore: Yes, this is good.

00:29:14.780 --> 00:29:16.440
Arden Moore: You get into the fun time.

00:29:17.120 --> 00:29:18.640
Arden Moore: The teenage years.

00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:19.460
Kerry Nichols: Yes.

00:29:19.460 --> 00:29:23.420
Arden Moore: And anybody that's raised a two-leg teenager, you have.

00:29:23.420 --> 00:29:27.700
Arden Moore: What's the similarities between teenage puppies and teenagers?

00:29:27.700 --> 00:29:29.180
Kerry Nichols: Aren't they the same?

00:29:30.460 --> 00:29:32.300
Kerry Nichols: I feel like maybe they're the same.

00:29:32.300 --> 00:29:34.400
Arden Moore: Except they're not borrowing the car keys, right?

00:29:34.400 --> 00:29:35.020
Kerry Nichols: Okay, there's that.

00:29:35.020 --> 00:29:35.700
Kerry Nichols: Yes.

00:29:35.700 --> 00:29:40.400
Kerry Nichols: I mean, you know, a puppy's brain in adolescence is literally being reorganized.

00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.620
Kerry Nichols: They are reorganizing information.

00:29:42.620 --> 00:29:45.860
Kerry Nichols: They're responding to the way that hormones are changing in their body.

00:29:45.860 --> 00:29:47.780
Kerry Nichols: That's such a great comparison, right?

00:29:47.780 --> 00:29:51.300
Kerry Nichols: I mean, I would say, you know, I have my two youngest are boys.

00:29:51.300 --> 00:29:55.740
Kerry Nichols: And when those hormones, you know, came online, things were different.

00:29:55.740 --> 00:29:59.940
Kerry Nichols: And I could see you're like, I'm not taking it personal.

00:30:00.100 --> 00:30:01.140
Kerry Nichols: What's going on with you?

00:30:01.140 --> 00:30:04.780
Kerry Nichols: I'm not taking it personal because you're going through so much.

00:30:04.780 --> 00:30:10.000
Kerry Nichols: Your body is going through so much and you're not actually in control of what you are doing.

00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:12.820
Kerry Nichols: And I think with adolescent puppies, it's a lot of the same.

00:30:12.940 --> 00:30:15.880
Kerry Nichols: I mean, an eight week old will not leave your side.

00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:17.620
Kerry Nichols: You have to watch out that you don't trample them.

00:30:17.620 --> 00:30:19.600
Kerry Nichols: I mean, they want to be under your foot.

00:30:19.600 --> 00:30:23.120
Kerry Nichols: And an adolescent puppy is looking to go mate.

00:30:23.120 --> 00:30:25.700
Kerry Nichols: I mean, that's what's happening in their brain, right?

00:30:25.700 --> 00:30:28.560
Arden Moore: Put on a little Barry White, you know, get it going.

00:30:28.560 --> 00:30:32.800
Arden Moore: I mean, you say this section is blame it on their brain and be patient.

00:30:32.800 --> 00:30:35.700
Arden Moore: So a couple of tips for adolescents puppies.

00:30:35.700 --> 00:30:40.240
Kerry Nichols: I think that patience is the absolute like watchword for an adolescent.

00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:57.820
Kerry Nichols: And also going back to the basics, I think a lot of people get frustrated that we already did this, you already know this, we already worked on this, you know, why are you not doing whatever it is that you like, for example, recall, if, you know, as a puppy, they would come running back.

00:30:57.820 --> 00:31:02.240
Kerry Nichols: And now here we are with this adolescent who acts like they can't hear you.

00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.640
Arden Moore: Puck to the pock because the ears aren't listening.

00:31:05.040 --> 00:31:06.560
Arden Moore: Yeah, that's right, right.

00:31:06.560 --> 00:31:08.220
Arden Moore: But they're exploring, right?

00:31:08.220 --> 00:31:10.080
Arden Moore: It's not they're not being mean to you.

00:31:10.080 --> 00:31:11.340
Arden Moore: No, trying to grow up.

00:31:11.740 --> 00:31:16.480
Kerry Nichols: Yeah, we have to not take that personal and then make it, put them in a situation where they're going to have success.

00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:20.360
Kerry Nichols: So a long line is such a valuable tool in it.

00:31:20.360 --> 00:31:22.160
Kerry Nichols: Well, I think it's always a valuable tool.

00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:30.320
Kerry Nichols: But in adolescence, rather than a puppy going away from you and you're calling them and they're ignoring you and the brain is getting it hardwired.

00:31:30.320 --> 00:31:32.060
Kerry Nichols: Wow, I can ignore.

00:31:32.060 --> 00:31:34.940
Kerry Nichols: Wow, I don't need to listen.

00:31:34.940 --> 00:31:40.400
Kerry Nichols: Rather than that, you are setting them up for success by practicing recalls and a really low.

00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.760
Arden Moore: Talk about the long line before we've got about a minute.

00:31:42.760 --> 00:31:44.800
Arden Moore: So what would you give us a specific?

00:31:44.800 --> 00:31:47.940
Kerry Nichols: If they're not coming to you, you can walk to them.

00:31:47.940 --> 00:31:49.780
Kerry Nichols: Not that you're not dragging them to you.

00:31:49.780 --> 00:31:50.940
Kerry Nichols: You can get them.

00:31:50.940 --> 00:31:53.760
Kerry Nichols: They're not running away from you because they're on the long line.

00:31:53.780 --> 00:31:55.200
Arden Moore: You're walking to them.

00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:56.180
Kerry Nichols: You're walking to them.

00:31:56.180 --> 00:31:56.820
Kerry Nichols: Key.

00:31:56.820 --> 00:32:00.360
Kerry Nichols: And then when they see you like, oh, hey human, then you have to give a treat.

00:32:00.360 --> 00:32:04.780
Kerry Nichols: And that actually reinforces, those are foundational for recall.

00:32:04.780 --> 00:32:05.380
Arden Moore: Very nice.

00:32:05.380 --> 00:32:12.560
Arden Moore: Years ago, I had a corgi, Humber, named Jazz and he would come on cue for come.

00:32:12.560 --> 00:32:15.280
Arden Moore: And I was younger and I made a booboo.

00:32:15.280 --> 00:32:17.580
Arden Moore: I get here and I come, come Jazz.

00:32:17.580 --> 00:32:18.740
Arden Moore: I say come.

00:32:18.740 --> 00:32:21.700
Arden Moore: And he's like, falls up in the air, you know which one.

00:32:21.700 --> 00:32:25.500
Arden Moore: And then I realized I just tainted the word come.

00:32:25.500 --> 00:32:27.560
Arden Moore: So I would say, here Jazz.

00:32:27.560 --> 00:32:29.640
Arden Moore: And we were able to make that transition.

00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.320
Arden Moore: So sometimes we are human, we make mistakes.

00:32:32.800 --> 00:32:37.420
Arden Moore: So if come becomes a nasty four-letter word to a puppy, your advice?

00:32:37.420 --> 00:32:40.660
Kerry Nichols: Oh, I think what you just said, first off, you can choose a different word.

00:32:40.660 --> 00:32:41.180
Arden Moore: Yes.

00:32:41.180 --> 00:32:42.620
Kerry Nichols: They will respond to anything.

00:32:42.620 --> 00:32:47.520
Kerry Nichols: I saw a video years ago where she said bacon, and the dog came tearing over.

00:32:47.520 --> 00:32:54.520
Kerry Nichols: because basically you're creating an association between them responding to a certain cue and a treat.

00:32:54.520 --> 00:32:56.300
Kerry Nichols: And so you could pick any word you want.

00:32:56.300 --> 00:32:58.980
Kerry Nichols: But if a word gets tainted, I'd say pick a different word.

00:32:59.920 --> 00:33:01.580
Kerry Nichols: And don't let that one get tainted.

00:33:01.580 --> 00:33:01.980
Arden Moore: All right.

00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:05.580
Arden Moore: So we do want to talk a little bit about your, how do you call this?

00:33:05.580 --> 00:33:07.220
Arden Moore: The Nickelbury, is it a farm?

00:33:07.220 --> 00:33:08.120
Arden Moore: What is this place?

00:33:08.120 --> 00:33:09.780
Arden Moore: Tell us a little bit about that.

00:33:09.780 --> 00:33:16.780
Arden Moore: How, if people are interested in getting puppies that are from the author of Puppy Brain, how do they go about it?

00:33:16.780 --> 00:33:19.820
Kerry Nichols: That's becoming increasingly difficult.

00:33:19.820 --> 00:33:23.420
Kerry Nichols: My wait lists have always been at least a year.

00:33:23.420 --> 00:33:25.120
Kerry Nichols: So they can email me for sure.

00:33:25.620 --> 00:33:31.560
Kerry Nichols: because at a minimum, I did put a chapter in Puppy Brain on researching breeders because I do get so many emails.

00:33:31.560 --> 00:33:33.300
Arden Moore: Well, there's others that you respect.

00:33:33.300 --> 00:33:35.020
Kerry Nichols: I understand that.

00:33:35.020 --> 00:33:36.920
Kerry Nichols: Yes, and I will also help.

00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:40.320
Kerry Nichols: I am really happy to help people find a healthy puppy.

00:33:40.320 --> 00:33:44.420
Kerry Nichols: So I have so many people email me and say, I'm looking at this breeder, what do you think?

00:33:44.420 --> 00:33:45.840
Kerry Nichols: And then I tell them what I think.

00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:51.560
Kerry Nichols: And I show them how I go through that process with health clearances and the questions you can ask and all those things.

00:33:51.560 --> 00:33:53.060
Kerry Nichols: But they can email me for sure.

00:33:53.340 --> 00:33:55.180
Arden Moore: Well, they also can go to your site.

00:33:55.180 --> 00:33:57.140
Arden Moore: Is it your name?

00:33:58.480 --> 00:34:01.700
Arden Moore: kerrynichols.com/training Is that the website you want?

00:34:01.700 --> 00:34:04.640
Kerry Nichols: Probably just kerrynichols.com for the book.

00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:07.980
Kerry Nichols: And then my Instagram is NickleberryGoldens.

00:34:07.980 --> 00:34:10.940
Kerry Nichols: And then my website is NickleberryGoldens.

00:34:10.940 --> 00:34:12.280
Arden Moore: Why the Goldens?

00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:16.320
Arden Moore: I mean, what's wrong with the Labrador or the French Bulldog?

00:34:16.320 --> 00:34:17.880
Kerry Nichols: I know, I know.

00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:23.480
Kerry Nichols: And let me tell you, as I get older, I think like, gosh, a smaller breed, you know?

00:34:23.480 --> 00:34:25.680
Kerry Nichols: But I love them too much.

00:34:25.680 --> 00:34:27.560
Kerry Nichols: I will always have a Golden.

00:34:27.560 --> 00:34:31.280
Arden Moore: Years ago, I had a Golden Retriever Husky mix.

00:34:31.280 --> 00:34:32.160
Arden Moore: Oh, gosh.

00:34:32.160 --> 00:34:44.180
Arden Moore: So I did a lot of vacuuming and Furminator brushing and she was from a rescue, a Golden Retriever rescue, but they allowed Chipper in because she had color by Golden, body by Husky.

00:34:44.180 --> 00:34:52.140
Arden Moore: And the first day she's in my backyard, she leaped over my six-foot fence, that's a Husky, to roam.

00:34:52.140 --> 00:34:54.560
Arden Moore: She ran to my front door and pawed it.

00:34:54.560 --> 00:34:56.060
Kerry Nichols: Oh, gosh.

00:34:56.060 --> 00:34:59.760
Arden Moore: And that's the Golden who wants to be home, right?

00:34:59.760 --> 00:35:00.580
Kerry Nichols: Yes.

00:35:00.580 --> 00:35:01.840
Arden Moore: Explain that.

00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:04.340
Arden Moore: What is it about the Goldens, their personalities?

00:35:04.340 --> 00:35:04.980
Kerry Nichols: I know.

00:35:05.160 --> 00:35:07.540
Kerry Nichols: And our Golden Rufus does the same thing.

00:35:07.540 --> 00:35:11.840
Kerry Nichols: If he accidentally gets out of the yard, he's like, well, I'm definitely not supposed to be out here.

00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:12.980
Kerry Nichols: So then he runs around to the door.

00:35:13.540 --> 00:35:19.960
Kerry Nichols: You know, they were bred to retrieve a waterfowl, but also to be a companion.

00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:22.100
Kerry Nichols: And that is exactly what they are.

00:35:22.100 --> 00:35:25.360
Kerry Nichols: They're affable, they're friendly, outgoing.

00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.020
Kerry Nichols: Every human feels like their favorite human.

00:35:28.020 --> 00:35:35.620
Kerry Nichols: I mean, you can have epic arguments because you will always feel like, I mean, I am Harper's favorite human, but.

00:35:35.620 --> 00:35:42.420
Arden Moore: Well, yeah, do a shout out to Harper because you had a little checklist what you liked about Harper in the book, but tell everybody a little bit about Harper.

00:35:42.580 --> 00:35:43.420
Kerry Nichols: Oh, Harper girl.

00:35:43.420 --> 00:35:44.580
Kerry Nichols: Harper girl.

00:35:44.580 --> 00:35:47.300
Kerry Nichols: She's going to break all of the records for longevity.

00:35:47.300 --> 00:35:49.580
Kerry Nichols: That's I'm just telling you that's what's going to happen.

00:35:49.580 --> 00:35:51.860
Arden Moore: Middle name Methuselah.

00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:53.640
Kerry Nichols: Exactly.

00:35:53.640 --> 00:35:55.700
Kerry Nichols: She is the quintessential golden.

00:35:55.700 --> 00:36:01.140
Kerry Nichols: She absolutely, if she sees me put my shoes on, she's, oh, are we going for a walk?

00:36:01.140 --> 00:36:05.460
Kerry Nichols: If I turn on the car, she's ready to go jump in the back and go for an adventure.

00:36:05.460 --> 00:36:08.300
Kerry Nichols: She wants to go swimming wherever there's water.

00:36:08.300 --> 00:36:09.040
Kerry Nichols: She loves everybody.

00:36:09.040 --> 00:36:10.060
Kerry Nichols: She's a therapy dog.

00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:14.640
Kerry Nichols: Really, I have a joke on Instagram, hashtag Harper can do no wrong.

00:36:14.640 --> 00:36:21.320
Kerry Nichols: And even though she does all sorts of things she shouldn't, well, that I'd prefer her not to do, she does them because she's a dog.

00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:22.660
Kerry Nichols: She's really...

00:36:22.660 --> 00:36:23.600
Arden Moore: How old is she now?

00:36:23.600 --> 00:36:24.520
Kerry Nichols: She's eight.

00:36:24.520 --> 00:36:25.280
Arden Moore: Okay, cool.

00:36:25.280 --> 00:36:27.260
Arden Moore: I hope she keeps going.

00:36:27.260 --> 00:36:30.460
Arden Moore: What's something that might surprise people about you?

00:36:30.460 --> 00:36:32.520
Arden Moore: Are you a secret chef?

00:36:32.520 --> 00:36:35.060
Arden Moore: Did you win the lottery during this broadcast?

00:36:35.060 --> 00:36:38.420
Arden Moore: I mean, what's something that might surprise people about Kerry Nichols?

00:36:38.600 --> 00:36:44.700
Kerry Nichols: I can't believe you just asked that, because I was talking with my agent last week, and I said this off the cuff, and she said, what?

00:36:44.700 --> 00:36:46.120
Kerry Nichols: You need to tell people that.

00:36:46.120 --> 00:36:47.540
Kerry Nichols: I'm allergic to dogs.

00:36:47.680 --> 00:36:48.640
Arden Moore: La, la, la, la, la.

00:36:48.640 --> 00:36:50.080
Kerry Nichols: I know.

00:36:50.080 --> 00:36:52.640
Arden Moore: So you do lots of Benadryl or what?

00:36:52.640 --> 00:36:53.680
Arden Moore: What's going on?

00:36:53.680 --> 00:36:55.800
Kerry Nichols: I use lots of vacuuming.

00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:57.820
Kerry Nichols: I vacuum like a beast.

00:36:57.820 --> 00:37:07.120
Kerry Nichols: I mean, I really vacuum a lot, and I'm very careful about washing my hands, and I just make sure hair doesn't get anywhere near my face, and that's been manageable as an adult.

00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:08.520
Arden Moore: I did not know that.

00:37:08.520 --> 00:37:14.740
Arden Moore: That's why I had this spidey sense I needed to ask you that question.

00:37:14.740 --> 00:37:17.280
Arden Moore: How do people get their paws on your book, Puppy Brain?

00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:23.340
Arden Moore: I love this book, and hey everybody, it's very well-organized, it's very vetted out, but it comes from the heart.

00:37:23.340 --> 00:37:25.720
Arden Moore: Your heart beats, dog.

00:37:25.720 --> 00:37:26.320
Kerry Nichols: Thank you.

00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:27.520
Kerry Nichols: Thank you so much.

00:37:27.520 --> 00:37:31.500
Kerry Nichols: It's available on Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Target.

00:37:31.500 --> 00:37:36.640
Kerry Nichols: Independent bookstores for sure go in and order your independent bookstore anywhere that books are sold.

00:37:37.100 --> 00:37:38.520
Kerry Nichols: I sound like a commercial.

00:37:38.520 --> 00:37:40.160
Kerry Nichols: Anywhere that books are sold.

00:37:40.160 --> 00:37:46.980
Arden Moore: Hey, thank you so much for being a guest on our show, and more importantly, helping Goldens get off on the right path.

00:37:46.980 --> 00:37:49.400
Arden Moore: Kerry Nichols is the author of Puppy Brain.

00:37:49.400 --> 00:37:56.120
Arden Moore: I want you to please check it out because yes, it talks about Goldens, but it talks about puppies, puppies, puppies, puppies.

00:37:56.120 --> 00:37:58.480
Arden Moore: We need to know a little bit more about that.

00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.640
Arden Moore: Are we ever going to do kitten brain?

00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:05.380
Kerry Nichols: Probably not because boy, I can't manage those allergies.

00:38:05.380 --> 00:38:06.480
Kerry Nichols: I wish I could.

00:38:06.480 --> 00:38:13.260
Arden Moore: Yeah, I say that dogs put the D in drool, the O in obey, the G in goofy, and the S in seconds, please.

00:38:13.260 --> 00:38:20.940
Arden Moore: But cats put the C in candid, the A in attitude, the T in tenacious, and wait for it, the S in so what?

00:38:20.940 --> 00:38:22.440
Kerry Nichols: Yeah, exactly.

00:38:22.440 --> 00:38:28.060
Arden Moore: So we're happy that we are with you, Kerry, and you are the author of Puppy Brain.

00:38:28.060 --> 00:38:29.680
Arden Moore: Please check out her site.

00:38:29.680 --> 00:38:30.940
Arden Moore: Go ahead, give the website again.

00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:31.760
Kerry Nichols: Okay.

00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:39.060
Kerry Nichols: Well, there's of course, NickelBerryGoldens on Instagram, and then nickelberrygoldens.com or kerrynichols.com.

00:38:39.060 --> 00:38:39.600
Arden Moore: All right.

00:38:39.600 --> 00:38:40.100
Arden Moore: I love it.

00:38:40.100 --> 00:38:40.800
Arden Moore: I love it.

00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:48.560
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00:38:49.100 --> 00:38:51.940
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00:38:51.940 --> 00:38:54.940
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00:38:54.940 --> 00:38:57.680
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00:38:57.680 --> 00:38:59.900
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00:39:00.060 --> 00:39:02.120
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00:39:02.120 --> 00:39:03.760
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00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:09.180
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00:39:09.180 --> 00:39:11.720
Arden Moore: We didn't win a car, but we got that claim.

00:39:11.720 --> 00:39:16.420
Arden Moore: I hope you all check out the other host on the other shows of Pet Life Radio.

00:39:16.420 --> 00:39:17.980
Arden Moore: Oh, you got to check me out too.

00:39:17.980 --> 00:39:19.080
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00:39:19.080 --> 00:39:20.280
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00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:22.200
Arden Moore: Sorry, Kerry, I forget about this stuff.

00:39:22.200 --> 00:39:24.120
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00:39:24.120 --> 00:39:25.340
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00:39:25.340 --> 00:39:29.420
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00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:30.960
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00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.740
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00:39:34.740 --> 00:39:36.560
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00:39:36.560 --> 00:39:38.820
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00:39:38.820 --> 00:39:47.520
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00:39:47.520 --> 00:39:48.920
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