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Ellie Laks is The Founder of The Gentle Barn Foundation, a national organization that rescues and rehabilitates unwanted animals, and heals people with the same stories of abuse and neglect. She is an animal communicator, powerful speaker, celebrated animal welfare advocate, humane educator, and the author of “My Gentle Barn: Creating a sanctuary where animals heal, and children learn to hope.”

Ellie Founded The Gentle Barn in 1999. She invented her own “Gentle Healing method” that allows old, sick, injured and terrified animals to fully recover using a mixture of Western medicine, holistic healing modalities, holding therapy, and lots of love. Ellie is the creator of Cow Hug Therapy and has hosted hundreds of thousands of people who have come to The Gentle Barn seeking hope.

Ellie has appeared on some of the most influential media outlets including The Ellen Show, People Magazine, Life Magazine, Animal Planet, The Huffington Post, Turning point, Women’s World, The NY Times, The Today Show, Good Morning America, and many more. 

Ellie is a TEDx speaker, and keynote speaker who motivates her audiences towards higher awareness, profound compassion, realizing dreams, and an enhanced sense of purpose. 

To date Ellie has saved thousands of animals and hosted over 500,000 guests. The Gentle Barn is currently home to approximately 200 animals. The Gentle Barn has three locations in Los Angeles CA, Nashville, TN, and St Louis, MO. It is her goal to be the voice for animals, share their stories, and open the hearts of humanity towards all living beings, “Teaching people kindness and compassion to animals, each other and our planet.” 

 

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Arden Moore: Welcome to the Oh Behave show on Pet Life Radio.

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Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: You know, that cartoon guy, Bart Simpson, he once said, don't have a cow, man.

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Arden Moore: But in today's stressful times, I say, do have a cow, hug.

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Arden Moore: Yes, on this show, we are going to explore Bullvine Bliss with the energy healer extraordinaire, Ellie Laks.

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Arden Moore: She is the founder of the very famous Gentle Barn Sanctuary.

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Arden Moore: And she's here to share her latest must get book.

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Arden Moore: It's called, wait for this title, Cow Hug Therapy, How the Animals at the Gentle Barn taught me about life, death and everything in between.

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Arden Moore: Welcome to our show, Ellie.

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Ellie Laks: Thank you so much for having me.

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Ellie Laks: And I agree with you, everyone should have a cow.

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Arden Moore: Hug.

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Arden Moore: Hey, let's talk about that.

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Arden Moore: I know there's all kinds of therapies out there, but I was reading your book.

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Arden Moore: It's called Cow Hug Therapy.

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Arden Moore: And you are crediting actually a miniature cow named Buddha for sort of inspiring you for this new therapy, cow hugging.

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Arden Moore: Can you explain?

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Ellie Laks: Yeah, the founder of Cow Hug Therapy is my first cow Buddha, who in 1999, she just came in and her first open to the public Sunday where we had guests.

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Ellie Laks: I wasn't sure if she was going to be frightened of the people or want to be interacted with, but she inserted herself right into the crowd of people, laid down and encouraged them to pet and hug her.

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Ellie Laks: I knew right away that she was no ordinary cow, but I learned even more that night when I was putting the barn yard to bed, making sure everybody was healthy before I went to sleep.

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Ellie Laks: And I walked by Buddha who was laying down peacefully in the corner of the yard just kind of to pat her head and say good night.

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Ellie Laks: And the way that she looked up at me and gestured for me to sit down next to her and spend a minute.

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Ellie Laks: So I stopped, I sat down next to her, I leaned my back against her shoulder, and what she did next changed the course of my life and our work here at the Gentle Barn.

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Arden Moore: Well, that's kind of, I'm ready for you to say it.

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Arden Moore: Let the cow out of the barn.

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Ellie Laks: She wrapped her neck around me and held me.

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Ellie Laks: And, you know, listen, over the course of my life, because I started training dogs professionally at the age of 11, I started rescuing animals as a young adult.

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Ellie Laks: I founded the Gentle Barn in 1999.

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Ellie Laks: I was rescuing dogs and cats from high kill shelters since the time I was in my mid twenties.

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Ellie Laks: I have been around a lot of animals and they are all amazing.

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Ellie Laks: And they all have things to lend us, to give to us and to teach us.

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Ellie Laks: And I've been able to hold cats while they purr or cuddle dogs while I can give them a belly rub, even walking beside horses.

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Ellie Laks: But having an animal wrap themselves around me, it wasn't just them allowing me to love them, it was them loving me back, healing me back, reaching out to me in a way that had never been done before.

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Ellie Laks: And I was so taken aback by this very surprising affectionate gesture that I just started crying.

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Ellie Laks: And I'm very stoic.

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Ellie Laks: So I carry the weight of the world on my shoulders.

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Ellie Laks: I put a brave smile on my face and I just go through what I'm going through.

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Ellie Laks: But in that embrace, I realized how stressed out I was.

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Ellie Laks: I realized all of the responsibility I'm carrying on my shoulders.

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Ellie Laks: And I just wet them into her, into her side.

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Ellie Laks: And she held me for a good hour.

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Arden Moore: And I understand you ended up having like a bedtime cow hug ritual, right, with Buddha?

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Ellie Laks: Those hugs were so transformative.

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Ellie Laks: It washed away the day.

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Ellie Laks: It just cleared my mind and it allowed me to be stronger the next morning that I came to rely on those evening hugs.

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Ellie Laks: And she became, you know, for lack of a better word, she became my therapist.

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Ellie Laks: And it wasn't long till I realized that those hugs were keeping me together.

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Ellie Laks: And there were other people out there that needed them too.

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Ellie Laks: And so I actually opened the phone book and started calling around to probation camps, inner city schools, domestic violence shelters, war veteran centers, senior centers, foster agencies, and saying, look, I've got these animals that have the same stories of trauma and loss as your clients, but they're here to heal us.

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Ellie Laks: You should come.

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Ellie Laks: And they started bringing their clients and watching cowhug therapy, not only usher me through the founding of the Gentle Barn, the establishing of the Gentle Barn, healing animals, learning all that I had to learn, raising the money, meeting Jay, who is my partner and co-founder of the Gentle Barn, but it also was changing the lives of our guests.

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Ellie Laks: And you could see them melt from tough, defensive, cold, and hardened young adults into soft, vulnerable, and open children.

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Ellie Laks: And that's where healing starts.

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Arden Moore: And people, this is a big anniversary.

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Arden Moore: You're celebrating your 25th year in existence, and people need to know what is the General Barn.

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Arden Moore: I mean, I know you're in three locations, but you basically, it's my understanding, you take all kinds of animals.

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Arden Moore: We're talking pigs, cows, horses, dogs, cats, others.

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Arden Moore: And they've had some trauma in their life, and they've been abandoned or they needed rehabilitation.

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Arden Moore: And they are now serving as healers for people, like many of us that have gone through some traumatic things.

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Arden Moore: I mean, what a great organization, but it doesn't happen overnight, and every day is not a holiday.

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Ellie Laks: That is true.

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Ellie Laks: But yeah, I mean, you know, animals were always there in my childhood to listen as I cried, to make me feel wanted and lovable, and to encourage me to stay at times when I didn't wanna be here.

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Ellie Laks: And so I always had that firsthand knowing of how therapeutic animals are.

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Ellie Laks: And so I always, from the age of seven, wanted to have a big place full of animals.

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Arden Moore: Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.

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Arden Moore: You dreamed as a kid of the concept of the Gentle Barn, right?

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Arden Moore: At age seven?

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Ellie Laks: Yes, at age seven, the Gentle Barn was my dream to be able to save animals and then when they're ready, partner with them to heal people.

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Ellie Laks: And I founded it in 1999.

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Ellie Laks: Buddha was my very first cow.

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Ellie Laks: And together with her, we rescued so many other animals and then brought so many hurting humans into the Gentle Barn to find themselves in the barnyard.

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Ellie Laks: And so the Gentle Barn is now a 25-year-old national organization located in Los Angeles, California, Nashville, Tennessee and St.

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Ellie Laks: Louis, Missouri.

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Ellie Laks: We are home to 200 rescued animals across the three locations.

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Ellie Laks: We specifically take in animals that have nowhere else to go, animals that are too old, too sick, too scared to be adoptable anywhere else.

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Ellie Laks: And we put them through a very rigorous rehabilitation program, including veterinarian care, but also chiropractic, acupuncture, massage therapy, music therapy, energy healing, animal communication, nutritional supplements, and lots and lots of love.

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Ellie Laks: Once they're happy and healthy, if we can find a home of their own, we do.

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Ellie Laks: And if they need ongoing care for the rest of their lives and therefore are not adoptable, then we give them sanctuary with us.

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Ellie Laks: And when they're ready, we partner with them to heal people with the same stories of trauma and connect people to the love and magic of animals.

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Ellie Laks: We're open to the public on Sundays.

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Ellie Laks: We host private tours and school field trips during the week.

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Ellie Laks: And individuals or people at healing agencies can come into the Gentle Barn and have their very own cow hug therapy session where they can find hope and healing with our gentle giants.

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Ellie Laks: Our equine therapy sessions where they can practice confidence and leadership skills with our horses and barnyard therapy where they can find hope with our smaller animals.

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Arden Moore: That ain't, hey, you got a lot of things and pardon me, I got to say it because I'm a punster.

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Arden Moore: You are steering people in the right direction.

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Arden Moore: And we're going to talk a little bit more with Ellie Laks after we take this break.

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Arden Moore: But everybody, she's magic and she's here to help us heal.

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Arden Moore: And she's got an army of cows, horses, dogs, cats that are helping us.

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Arden Moore: So everybody just sit, stay, we'll be right back.

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Announcer: Just checked the paper, and we had a record showing at the box.

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Announcer: Now back to Oh Behave.

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Announcer: Here's Arden.

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Arden Moore: Welcome back to our show.

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Arden Moore: I'm speaking with Ellie Laks.

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Arden Moore: She has many titles.

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Arden Moore: I mean, she started the Gentle Barn 25 years ago.

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Arden Moore: She's a bestselling author.

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Arden Moore: She is an energy healer.

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Arden Moore: You're an animal communicator.

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Arden Moore: I mean, you have to clean out poop in stalls every day.

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Arden Moore: You got to feed everybody.

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Arden Moore: What's the best thing you love about who you are at this stage in life?

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Ellie Laks: I love that everything I do has to do with animals.

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Ellie Laks: Whether I'm writing a book, it's telling the animals stories.

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Ellie Laks: Whether I'm giving a speech, I'm talking about animal stories.

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Arden Moore: Oh yeah, sorry, I have to interject.

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Arden Moore: A TEDx speaker, that's cream of the crop.

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Arden Moore: That's like a big one.

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Ellie Laks: If I'm teaching other people around the country to start their own sanctuaries, I am doing it for the benefit of animals.

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Ellie Laks: If I'm at the Gentle Barn, I don't care if I'm cleaning up poop, grooming the animals, brushing them, hugging them, talking to them to see how they're feeling, or doing energy healing, or interacting with my amazing, brilliant staff in helping the animals live their very best lives.

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Ellie Laks: When I was a kid, I was obsessed with the animals, and now I've created a life for myself where literally everything I do is about animals.

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Ellie Laks: I'm so happy.

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Arden Moore: Isn't it cool to do something that you want to do?

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Arden Moore: I love what I get to do.

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Arden Moore: I teach pet first aid.

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Arden Moore: I get to interview amazing people like you.

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Arden Moore: I get to have strong typing fingers.

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Arden Moore: But I feel like this is my life.

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Arden Moore: This is my identity, and you have that great identity.

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Arden Moore: You know, this book, it is called How Hug Therapy.

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Arden Moore: And each chapter is sort of a spotlight on a different critter that kind of impacted your life.

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Arden Moore: And, you know, you definitely talked about Buddha who kind of helped you and create how hug therapy.

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Arden Moore: It's a dumb question, but how does it work?

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Arden Moore: I mean, I know Buddha hugged you, but talk about this.

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Arden Moore: How big are these things?

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Arden Moore: How much do cows weigh?

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Arden Moore: I hope they weigh more than me.

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Ellie Laks: Cows are upwards of 3000 pounds.

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Arden Moore: Wow, that's a big hug.

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Ellie Laks: Yes, it's a big hug, but that's part of the magic of cow hug therapy.

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Ellie Laks: Listen, like I said, every single animal and creature on this planet has something to offer us, to teach us and to heal us.

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Ellie Laks: But they all give what they give in different ways.

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Ellie Laks: When we are holding cats, playing with dogs, walking or riding with horses, we are loving them and they're loving us, but we are in a dominant position.

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Ellie Laks: We are in the authoritative position.

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Ellie Laks: You know, it's not a bad thing.

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Ellie Laks: However, to find real healing, real healing begins when we are vulnerable, humble and open.

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Ellie Laks: So what cow hug therapy brings to the table is we're working with 3000 pound animals that you can't train or teach or coerce into doing what you want.

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Ellie Laks: It's something that they choose to do and it's something they do of their own accord.

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Ellie Laks: So just the fact that a 3000 pound animal is laying still for us to hug them is very humbling.

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Arden Moore: Can you feel their heart?

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Arden Moore: I mean, talk about some of the tactile stimuli that it's going through for both the pow and the person.

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Ellie Laks: So when we're sitting next to a cow, resting our faces on their sides, closing our eyes, breathing in and out, we can hear their heartbeat and slow down ours to match theirs.

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Ellie Laks: We are rising and falling with their breathing, which is very healing, but also we can match our breathing to theirs.

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Ellie Laks: So that kind of becomes a meditation.

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Ellie Laks: Being in their energy, rids our minds of thoughts and worry.

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Ellie Laks: So we lose worries about the past or future.

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Ellie Laks: Our to do lists go out the window and we are immersed in present time where we are grounded.

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Arden Moore: On page 242, see, I did read your book, you said gratitude is the antidote to negative complaints.

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Arden Moore: Talk about that.

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Ellie Laks: I mean, I think the majority of our culture lives in complaints, right?

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Ellie Laks: Oh my God, the microwave is taking so long to eat my meal and the traffic.

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Ellie Laks: But animals for the most part do not live in complaint, they live in gratitude.

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Ellie Laks: They are grateful for their breakfast.

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Ellie Laks: They are grateful for our gentle hands.

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Ellie Laks: They are grateful for our coats that we put on at night.

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Ellie Laks: They are grateful for the friendships.

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Ellie Laks: And it's the very little things that brighten up their days.

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Ellie Laks: And, you know, I think we have a lot to learn about that.

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Ellie Laks: Instead of complaining about the traffic, we can think, oh my God, I am so lucky and wealthy that I am driving a car.

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Ellie Laks: Life has lost its magic for most of us, where we are no longer appreciating the fact that we're driving a car or that we're breathing or that we're walking in a body that works.

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Ellie Laks: Now we're complaining about the little things.

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Ellie Laks: And it's the very little things that the animals are so grateful for.

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Ellie Laks: So they can really remind us to go through our day in gratitude instead of complaint.

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Arden Moore: So you've got these three locations and everyone gentlebarn.org.

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Arden Moore: So I want you to make sure you check it out.

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Arden Moore: It's starting to be a destination place.

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Arden Moore: I think especially as we climbed out of COVID and in this political field, I'm non-partisan, everyone non-partisan.

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Arden Moore: I think we're looking for places like the Gentle Barn.

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Arden Moore: You are getting close to a big milestone of visitors.

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Arden Moore: Tell us about that.

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Ellie Laks: We are approaching a million visitors the course of 25 years.

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Ellie Laks: And I can't even tell you how much that means to us.

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Ellie Laks: People around the world, like you said, they save money, they work for it, and then they finally get to come visit us.

00:16:01.280 --> 00:16:04.340
Ellie Laks: People are like, Oh, I've always meant to be there and now I'm finally here.

00:16:04.460 --> 00:16:06.800
Ellie Laks: Or they come for birthdays, anniversaries.

00:16:07.220 --> 00:16:10.620
Ellie Laks: They come because they've recovered from a terminal illness.

00:16:11.100 --> 00:16:14.920
Ellie Laks: There's all kinds of reasons why people promise themselves a trip to the Gentle Barn.

00:16:14.940 --> 00:16:19.360
Ellie Laks: But then when they're finally here, they can feel the same sanctuary that the animals feel.

00:16:20.060 --> 00:16:28.080
Ellie Laks: That's the goal of the Gentle Barn, for each location to feel sanctuary to every single being that is on this land.

00:16:28.780 --> 00:16:37.480
Arden Moore: So a person comes for a specified amount of time and I'm assuming they want to help and volunteer time and things like that?

00:16:37.860 --> 00:16:39.700
Ellie Laks: The volunteers have the best job.

00:16:40.240 --> 00:16:51.540
Ellie Laks: I want to retire at some point and become a volunteer because it's the staff that feed, clean, groom the animals, but it's the volunteers that come in, love the animals and make sure that each individual know how important they are.

00:16:52.000 --> 00:16:56.400
Ellie Laks: So volunteering at the Gentle Barn is very rewarding, but visiting in any capacity.

00:16:56.420 --> 00:16:57.300
Ellie Laks: We're open to the public on Sundays.

00:16:57.360 --> 00:17:05.680
Ellie Laks: On Sundays, people can come hug the cows, cuddle the turkeys, give the pigs tummy rubs, hold the chickens, pat the goats and sheep, and hear their stories of resilience.

00:17:06.100 --> 00:17:10.820
Ellie Laks: People can come for slower experiences during the week for the more private events.

00:17:11.420 --> 00:17:20.420
Arden Moore: Even though you're highly tuned in, I understand that before Buddha passed away, she gave you a three-word message, knock it off.

00:17:20.560 --> 00:17:26.120
Arden Moore: Talk about that because we go through some tough things, but you had a cow guide you.

00:17:26.400 --> 00:17:33.440
Ellie Laks: So one of the biggest things these animals have taught me is that they don't leave us, even though they step out of their bodies.

00:17:33.840 --> 00:17:37.460
Ellie Laks: When Buddha passed away, I literally thought I was going to die.

00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:43.200
Ellie Laks: And I think that this is something all animal lovers can relate to because animals have shorter lifespans than we do.

00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:46.660
Ellie Laks: So to love an animal is to eventually say farewell to them.

00:17:46.760 --> 00:17:53.420
Ellie Laks: And sometimes when we have an animal that's our soulmate, living without them in the physical plane can seem impossible.

00:17:53.740 --> 00:18:02.900
Ellie Laks: And one of the things that Buddha and so many other animals in my book, Cow Hug Therapy, taught me was that, yes, they leave their bodies, but they never leave us.

00:18:03.260 --> 00:18:07.880
Ellie Laks: And Buddha has given me over the years physical signs that I know she's with me.

00:18:08.220 --> 00:18:11.940
Ellie Laks: I'm able to access her in meditation and still ask her for advice.

00:18:12.520 --> 00:18:17.640
Ellie Laks: And I can still close my eyes and feel her, even though I can't open my eyes and see her.

00:18:18.020 --> 00:18:24.660
Ellie Laks: And so the animals, including Buddha, have taught me that it's not the end of a relationship, it's the changing of a relationship.

00:18:24.860 --> 00:18:30.780
Ellie Laks: From one where we open our eyes and see them to one where we close our eyes and feel them and carry them with us.

00:18:31.300 --> 00:18:40.040
Arden Moore: And there's different species out there, but you identified some things that are maybe some characteristics, personality traits about cows.

00:18:40.060 --> 00:18:43.060
Arden Moore: And one of them, I was surprised that you said cows meditate.

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Ellie Laks: Cows meditate every single day, whether they're older, young, male or female, whether it's in Missouri, Nashville or California, and of course, they can only do this when they feel safe to do it.

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Ellie Laks: So I'm not saying cows in a slaughterhouse are necessarily meditating, they're praying.

00:19:01.660 --> 00:19:06.640
Ellie Laks: Animals in sanctuary when they feel safe, cows, they lay down, they close their eyes.

00:19:07.080 --> 00:19:09.140
Ellie Laks: Chewing their cud is part of their meditation.

00:19:09.160 --> 00:19:11.080
Ellie Laks: It becomes kind of like a moving meditation.

00:19:11.100 --> 00:19:13.400
Arden Moore: It's like us chewing gum or something maybe or what?

00:19:14.500 --> 00:19:24.680
Ellie Laks: Well, I don't necessarily equate chewing gum to meditation, but there are walking meditations or even washing the dishes meditations or meditations where you're staring at something.

00:19:25.840 --> 00:19:27.820
Ellie Laks: There are different forms of meditation.

00:19:28.380 --> 00:19:36.720
Ellie Laks: Cows use chewing their cud to kind of get into this rhythmic zone where they then close their eyes or they're staring blankly ahead.

00:19:37.380 --> 00:19:40.040
Ellie Laks: It's very, very obvious that they're meditating.

00:19:40.060 --> 00:19:47.160
Ellie Laks: Cows, when they feel safe and when they're with their family, they have a very concrete ritual that they do every single day.

00:19:47.340 --> 00:19:49.220
Ellie Laks: They wake up first thing in the morning, they go to eat.

00:19:49.400 --> 00:19:51.300
Ellie Laks: Then the matriarch reminds everyone to drink.

00:19:51.520 --> 00:19:53.500
Arden Moore: Okay, we're talking water, everybody.

00:19:53.520 --> 00:19:55.560
Arden Moore: They're not cow belly up to the bar, right?

00:19:56.520 --> 00:19:57.820
Ellie Laks: And no margaritas involved.

00:19:57.840 --> 00:19:58.580
Arden Moore: No margaritas.

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Ellie Laks: Then the matriarch goes around after breakfast and she grooms every single member of her family, making sure that they feel valued and loved and cherished.

00:20:07.120 --> 00:20:08.680
Ellie Laks: And she takes care of all their itches.

00:20:09.440 --> 00:20:15.460
Ellie Laks: And once that affection is over, she ushers everyone to lay down and they start meditating together.

00:20:15.760 --> 00:20:20.280
Ellie Laks: Sometimes they can be standing up, but it's very obvious when you look at them that they're meditating.

00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:23.060
Arden Moore: Well, two other characteristics I was surprised about cows.

00:20:23.080 --> 00:20:28.400
Arden Moore: I haven't had a lot of opportunity to interact with cows is that they face trouble head on.

00:20:28.540 --> 00:20:33.260
Arden Moore: And you said in the herd, the mentality is 100% inclusivity.

00:20:33.380 --> 00:20:34.540
Arden Moore: Talk about those two things.

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Ellie Laks: I like to say that cows are everything that we should be and that we will be once we awaken to love.

00:20:41.100 --> 00:20:46.160
Arden Moore: Whoa, you need t-shirts that say that, that's very good, Ellie, very good, yes.

00:20:46.460 --> 00:20:48.480
Ellie Laks: And like you said, they are 100% inclusive.

00:20:48.480 --> 00:20:53.220
Ellie Laks: And it's really interesting because we have many different species at the Gentle Barn that we are sanctuary to.

00:20:53.560 --> 00:21:08.920
Ellie Laks: And when we bring in a new horse, donkey, pig, chicken, turkey, goat, sheep, there is a very long introduction period where they have to be separated from offense, they have to get to know each other, then they have to be integrated with supervision.

00:21:09.360 --> 00:21:18.800
Ellie Laks: It takes weeks and sometimes months for them to become family, because the other species, their first reaction is, hey, you don't belong here, you don't belong here.

00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:30.900
Ellie Laks: Cows are the only one of our species where I can take a brand new cow today, put them into any of our pastures, and the cows will say, hi, welcome.

00:21:31.200 --> 00:21:32.620
Ellie Laks: And that's the end of their discussion.

00:21:32.940 --> 00:21:38.000
Ellie Laks: Sometimes the matriarch will come over and say, hey, I'm the matriarch, and then the new cow will say, okay, no problem.

00:21:38.540 --> 00:21:44.780
Ellie Laks: When we bring in a new matriarch, she might go around to everyone and say, hey, just so you know, I'm the boss, and everyone's like, okay.

00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:52.320
Ellie Laks: If they're a youngster, the other youngsters might come and they might bonk hens in play or run around to kind of become a family.

00:21:52.560 --> 00:21:56.960
Ellie Laks: But it literally takes about 10 minutes, there's no violence, they don't hurt each other.

00:21:57.380 --> 00:22:01.560
Ellie Laks: We never worry or take our time to introduce a cow, we just plop them right in.

00:22:01.680 --> 00:22:04.300
Ellie Laks: They're 100% inclusive.

00:22:04.780 --> 00:22:09.780
Ellie Laks: They see through the eyes and lens of love, and they see similarities instead of differences.

00:22:09.980 --> 00:22:11.400
Arden Moore: I want to come back as a cow.

00:22:11.700 --> 00:22:13.080
Arden Moore: What would you want to come back as?

00:22:13.460 --> 00:22:14.920
Ellie Laks: I don't know if I want to come back.

00:22:16.360 --> 00:22:17.680
Ellie Laks: This work is hard.

00:22:19.660 --> 00:22:20.720
Ellie Laks: Here's a fun fact.

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Ellie Laks: Do you know that all cows have cleft chins?

00:22:24.260 --> 00:22:24.620
Arden Moore: No.

00:22:24.740 --> 00:22:25.940
Ellie Laks: So I have a cleft chin.

00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:29.100
Ellie Laks: So I like to say I am mostly cow in this lifetime.

00:22:31.000 --> 00:22:36.340
Arden Moore: Hey, one of the chapters really brought my heart singing was about Dudley.

00:22:36.540 --> 00:22:39.180
Arden Moore: And Dudley had some ambulatory issues.

00:22:39.200 --> 00:22:41.560
Arden Moore: Can you share a little bit about chapter three?

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Ellie Laks: Dudley was a remarkable member of our family.

00:22:44.720 --> 00:22:49.760
Ellie Laks: It started when I decided for my birthday that I wanted to rescue a cow.

00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:53.920
Arden Moore: That's like the number one thing on the birthday list globally, I think.

00:22:54.280 --> 00:22:56.320
Arden Moore: Rescue a cow.

00:22:56.340 --> 00:22:57.580
Arden Moore: I love your birthday wishes.

00:22:57.600 --> 00:22:58.060
Arden Moore: Very good.

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Ellie Laks: Literally, I mean it when I say everyone should have a cow.

00:23:01.580 --> 00:23:07.800
Ellie Laks: Like if I was queen of the world, I would make it so that everyone had to have at least two cows in their backyard and we would have world peace instantaneously.

00:23:07.820 --> 00:23:09.840
Ellie Laks: Because you can't have a cow and go to war.

00:23:10.320 --> 00:23:10.640
Ellie Laks: All right.

00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:11.340
Arden Moore: Another gem.

00:23:11.580 --> 00:23:14.200
Arden Moore: You can't hug a cow and go to war.

00:23:14.500 --> 00:23:14.880
Arden Moore: Okay.

00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:17.800
Arden Moore: I'm helping you with your t-shirt models.

00:23:17.820 --> 00:23:18.100
Ellie Laks: I know.

00:23:18.120 --> 00:23:19.700
Ellie Laks: I gotta start writing these things down.

00:23:20.280 --> 00:23:21.020
Arden Moore: But keep going.

00:23:21.040 --> 00:23:21.540
Arden Moore: Keep going.

00:23:21.560 --> 00:23:23.480
Arden Moore: So tell us about Dudley.

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Ellie Laks: So Dudley had lost a foot.

00:23:26.180 --> 00:23:32.800
Ellie Laks: He had a tragic accident and he had lost a foot and he was living among 50 other cows that were being raised and grown to go back to slaughter.

00:23:33.460 --> 00:23:41.800
Ellie Laks: And because he had lost a foot and was hobbling around in pain, the farmer took pity on him and kept him, but eventually realized like he couldn't do anything for him.

00:23:41.900 --> 00:23:47.700
Ellie Laks: The farmer had a friend that was reaching out to 200 sanctuaries to see if someone would take this cow.

00:23:47.700 --> 00:23:53.640
Ellie Laks: And everyone said no, but she reached out to us and said, look, I know that you're really far away, but I'm trying to save this cow.

00:23:54.220 --> 00:23:59.160
Ellie Laks: I literally days before told Jay that for my birthday, I only wanted to rescue a cow.

00:23:59.460 --> 00:24:08.580
Ellie Laks: And everybody do a shout out to your hubby, a huge shout out that he is married to someone that says to him, I want to rescue a cow for my birthday.

00:24:08.660 --> 00:24:13.560
Arden Moore: And he says, okay, and his name person last name, he wants to hear it.

00:24:13.760 --> 00:24:15.000
Ellie Laks: His name is Jay Weiner.

00:24:15.140 --> 00:24:17.220
Ellie Laks: He is my husband, love of my life.

00:24:17.240 --> 00:24:20.260
Ellie Laks: He is the co-founder of the Gentle Barn and he is also our CEO.

00:24:20.740 --> 00:24:21.960
Arden Moore: Jay, happy cow.

00:24:22.020 --> 00:24:27.380
Ellie Laks: Anyway, so Jay found a bovine surgeon in the area to do his amputations.

00:24:27.500 --> 00:24:30.560
Ellie Laks: He found a prosthetist to make a prosthetic foot for Dudley.

00:24:30.800 --> 00:24:33.900
Arden Moore: And it wasn't like giant orange bowl or something.

00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:35.560
Arden Moore: I was trying to imagine what it looked like.

00:24:35.720 --> 00:24:44.420
Ellie Laks: You know, it's basically like a giant orange boot that has like like a platform shoe so that it like Elton John in his heyday.

00:24:45.240 --> 00:24:45.560
Arden Moore: Yeah.

00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:46.860
Ellie Laks: Yeah, exactly.

00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:50.160
Ellie Laks: And it worked and it worked and it fit on him like a clam shell.

00:24:50.180 --> 00:25:02.740
Ellie Laks: So the back half, his foot would go down into it and then the front half would kind of seal it and it was held together with straps and he could run and jump and play and gallop for the first time in his life.

00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:05.460
Ellie Laks: It was so rewarding to do that for him.

00:25:05.880 --> 00:25:16.880
Ellie Laks: Dudley went on to have an incredible career at the Gentle Barn, hosting guests that were amputees themselves from children hospitals and veterinary veteran hospitals.

00:25:17.180 --> 00:25:32.260
Ellie Laks: People, they themselves were going through amputations and multiple surgeries and months in the hospital, frustration, talking about complaints, all the reasons why they can't do this and they can't do that and now living in a wheelchair or using crutches or having a prosthetic limb themselves.

00:25:32.660 --> 00:25:39.060
Ellie Laks: That's really, really, really hard, especially if you're a child and you're so completely different than those you go to school with.

00:25:40.340 --> 00:25:53.120
Ellie Laks: Dudley made them feel normal and Dudley allowed them to be joyous in their journey because one of the striking things about Dudley was that he lived completely in joy.

00:25:53.340 --> 00:25:54.480
Ellie Laks: He was a prankster.

00:25:54.660 --> 00:25:55.640
Ellie Laks: He was fun.

00:25:55.740 --> 00:25:56.820
Arden Moore: What's a cow prank?

00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:59.980
Arden Moore: They always talk about college kids trying to tip over cows.

00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:02.660
Arden Moore: Shame on you guys, but let's turn the tables.

00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:03.700
Arden Moore: What's a cow prank?

00:26:03.960 --> 00:26:13.120
Ellie Laks: My favorite memory from Dudley is him ripping the Halloween decorations off the wall and going running around and around and around the property with them in his mouth.

00:26:14.600 --> 00:26:16.520
Ellie Laks: We were laughing till we cried.

00:26:16.660 --> 00:26:30.080
Ellie Laks: The other prank that Dudley would do is we would be cleaning stalls and we would have like a wheelbarrow full of poop and we were in a stall mucking it out and he would tip toe ever so quietly so we wouldn't see him and he would dump over the wheelbarrow.

00:26:30.260 --> 00:26:32.300
Ellie Laks: He thought it was hilarious.

00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:34.780
Arden Moore: I kind of think it's funny too, but yeah.

00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:35.960
Ellie Laks: Yeah, he was funny.

00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:36.880
Ellie Laks: He was really funny.

00:26:37.220 --> 00:26:47.660
Ellie Laks: But so, you know, you think of someone who lost a limb, is in a prosthetic or a wheelchair, spends months at a time in a hospital, you think of, wow, that's really hard.

00:26:47.860 --> 00:26:51.220
Ellie Laks: Dudley did not have a hard minute in his entire life.

00:26:51.420 --> 00:26:52.700
Ellie Laks: He had a smile on his face.

00:26:53.060 --> 00:27:00.460
Ellie Laks: He was having fun and he was living in joy and he exuded that joy to every single person that came to visit him.

00:27:00.700 --> 00:27:03.420
Ellie Laks: He also did a lot of work with the foster care system.

00:27:03.900 --> 00:27:12.480
Ellie Laks: Children with the most horrendous stories in foster care would come to meet Dudley and he would embrace them and they would be able to hug him.

00:27:12.860 --> 00:27:18.180
Ellie Laks: But he also showed them how to play and how to have fun and that there's always, always hope.

00:27:18.540 --> 00:27:19.040
Arden Moore: I love it.

00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:19.660
Arden Moore: I love it.

00:27:20.120 --> 00:27:22.220
Arden Moore: We are speaking with Ellie Laks.

00:27:22.460 --> 00:27:23.920
Arden Moore: She's extraordinary.

00:27:24.000 --> 00:27:26.340
Arden Moore: You've just heard a few of the gems coming from her.

00:27:26.360 --> 00:27:41.140
Arden Moore: She's going to make a lot of t-shirt slogans after the show ends today, but she has a new book it's called How Hug Therapy and it's how the animals at the Gentle Barn taught me about life, death and everything in between.

00:27:41.360 --> 00:27:43.440
Arden Moore: This is from New World Library.

00:27:43.460 --> 00:27:45.820
Arden Moore: What book number is this for you that you have penned?

00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:49.020
Ellie Laks: Well, that's the book is published on May 21st.

00:27:49.020 --> 00:27:50.100
Ellie Laks: So that's advanced copy.

00:27:50.120 --> 00:27:51.340
Arden Moore: How many books have you written?

00:27:51.540 --> 00:27:52.680
Ellie Laks: That is number two.

00:27:52.700 --> 00:27:57.740
Ellie Laks: So my first book is called My Gentle Barn, creating a sanctuary where animals heal and children learn to hope.

00:27:57.760 --> 00:28:03.740
Ellie Laks: And that's more of my story and my childhood and how animals saved me and why I wanted to grow up and save them.

00:28:04.080 --> 00:28:08.640
Ellie Laks: It's about the founding animals at the Gentle Barn and those founding groups of kids that came and healed.

00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:13.520
Ellie Laks: It's our love story of how I met and fell in love with Jay and how we joined forces to expand our mission.

00:28:13.740 --> 00:28:22.260
Ellie Laks: The second book, Cow Hug Therapy, that is the animals stories and the animals lessons that have made me the best human I can be.

00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:24.040
Ellie Laks: They've taught me everything that I know.

00:28:24.320 --> 00:28:31.740
Arden Moore: Well, this is a great book, everyone, because it's written with heart and it's written with joy and it's written with resilience.

00:28:32.220 --> 00:28:35.300
Arden Moore: I think three traits that pals are teaching us, right, Ellie?

00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:35.920
Ellie Laks: Yeah.

00:28:36.420 --> 00:28:37.460
Ellie Laks: Yeah, you're right.

00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:40.500
Ellie Laks: That's another good word like animals live in resilience.

00:28:40.520 --> 00:28:43.020
Ellie Laks: They always want to live.

00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:44.340
Ellie Laks: They want to live.

00:28:44.360 --> 00:28:45.320
Ellie Laks: They want to thrive.

00:28:45.320 --> 00:28:46.320
Ellie Laks: They want to love.

00:28:46.660 --> 00:28:53.760
Ellie Laks: In the book, I talk about one of our horses named Hero, and she is blind and she's gone through enormous trauma.

00:28:53.880 --> 00:28:58.600
Ellie Laks: But when she came and healed at the Gentle Barn, she needed an escort because she's blind.

00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.280
Ellie Laks: And the first horse Cherokee became her seeing eye horse.

00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:07.460
Ellie Laks: And then when Cherokee passed away, she grieved for a minute, but then opened herself up to love again.

00:29:07.480 --> 00:29:09.040
Ellie Laks: And then the next horse came.

00:29:09.460 --> 00:29:21.380
Ellie Laks: She has had eight seeing eye horses and she is extraordinary because no matter how much she loves and how many times she loses, she is always open to loving again.

00:29:21.800 --> 00:29:28.780
Ellie Laks: And those are the kinds of stories that I share in the book, Cow Hug Therapy, and how much these animals have to teach us.

00:29:29.580 --> 00:29:40.680
Arden Moore: Well, I have to say, I'm very impressed with your work because you've got an army that moves and whinnies and barks and purrs and oinks and you're making this a better planet.

00:29:40.820 --> 00:29:43.620
Arden Moore: And I want to tell you, I salute all of you.

00:29:43.780 --> 00:29:44.820
Ellie Laks: Thank you, Arden.

00:29:44.840 --> 00:29:54.320
Ellie Laks: And you are doing the same by having this podcast and allowing animals to have a voice and have a space where we can talk about their personalities and their lessons and stuff.

00:29:54.340 --> 00:29:58.980
Ellie Laks: So you are made from the same cloth and it is really an honor and a privilege to be on your show.

00:29:59.560 --> 00:30:01.940
Arden Moore: So please, everyone, pick up this book.

00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:03.540
Arden Moore: It's going to make you feel good.

00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:09.920
Arden Moore: It might even motivate you to action and check out gentlebarn.org.

00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.400
Arden Moore: I am so honored to have you on our show, Ellie.

00:30:12.860 --> 00:30:15.520
Arden Moore: And I also got to do a little shout out to my producer.

00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:17.180
Arden Moore: His name is Mark Winter.

00:30:17.520 --> 00:30:20.280
Arden Moore: He is the executive producer of Pet Life Radio.

00:30:20.540 --> 00:30:24.940
Arden Moore: We are now the number one pet podcast on the planet, according to Feed Spot.

00:30:25.220 --> 00:30:25.620
Arden Moore: Woo!

00:30:26.600 --> 00:30:31.200
Arden Moore: And we have been on the air since 07, when no one knew what the heck a podcast was.

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