Oh Behave!

Pam Johnson-Bennett is one of the most popular and sought-after cat behavior experts in the world. She has a private cat-consulting practice in Nashville, appears on Animal Planet UK and Canada, and lectures on cat behavior at veterinary and animal welfare conferences around the world. She's been featured on CNN, Fox News Channel, CBS, ABC, NBC, Fox & Friends, Animal Planet Radio, and many more shows. Print profiles include Wall Street Journal, The New York Times, Real Simple, Better Homes & Gardens, Woman's World, Newsweek, Prevention, USA Today, Family Circle, Complete Woman, Newsday, Chicago Tribune, USA Weekend, Washington Post, and Parade. She was VP of the International Association of Animal Behavior Consultants and founded the IAABC Cat Division. Pam served on the American Humane Association's Advisory Board on Animal Behavior and Training. She lives in Nashville, TN.

Jean Hofve, DVM, is a retired holistic veterinarian, compulsive researcher, and co-author of Paleo Dog: Give Your Best Friend a Long Life, Healthy Weight, and Freedom from Illness by Nurturing His Inner Wolf and  The Complete Guide to Holistic Cat Care: An Illustrated Handbook with the late Dr. Celeste Yarnall. Dr. Jean has written hundreds of articles, has lectured on pet topics throughout the U.S., and has appeared on radio and TV around the world.  Her award-winning website, www.littlebigcat.com, is a respected source of information on pet health, nutrition and behavior. Dr. Jean currently lives in Jamestown, Colorado, with her rescued cat Perry Christmas

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Announcer: So get ready for the pause and applause as we unleash your Oh Behave host, America's pet edutainer, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Welcome to the Oh Behave show on Pet Life Radio.

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Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Hey, Pet Pals, you're in for a double treat on today's show.

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Arden Moore: We have not one, but two of the world's top cat advocates on the planet.

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Arden Moore: I'm not kidding.

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Arden Moore: They're ready to offer some perfect insights to all things CAT.

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Arden Moore: So please welcome to the show, holistic feline veterinarian, Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean Hofve, and best-selling author and CAT behavior expert, Pam Johnson-Bennett.

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Arden Moore: Welcome, welcome, ladies.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Hi, thank you.

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Arden Moore: You had me at meow, you had me at meow.

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Arden Moore: Hey, we're going to dive in deep about all things feline, because these two know lots about our feline friends.

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Arden Moore: They're here today and they are consultants.

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Arden Moore: Because they're such experts, there's a company called Pet Greens, and they are reached out to Pam and Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean because they have something like some cats like, it's kitty grass.

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Arden Moore: I'm going to first ask that to Pam.

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Arden Moore: I'm not talking about smoking the grass, I'm talking about munching on the grass.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Yeah, it seems like it wouldn't be very appealing to us, but cats love it and they crave it and it's very beneficial for them.

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Arden Moore: It depends on good grass.

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Arden Moore: I'm going to turn to Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean, she's a holistic veterinarian.

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Arden Moore: Please don't look at my backyard in Dallas right now.

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Arden Moore: We used to have a beautiful, beautiful yard and then we had 108 degree temperatures for many, many weeks in the summer and now we have yucky grass.

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Arden Moore: I don't want to bring in those sprigs for my cat.

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Arden Moore: Why is the quality of the grass the kitties are munching on so important?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Well, it is crucial and the advantage to product like pet greens that's grown specifically for cats and it's fresh and it's young grass.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: You're grungy old grass out in the backyard.

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Arden Moore: It is.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: If it's a lawn and you've been mowing it, the blades that are left are old and they're tough and they don't do the job.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Not only that, but they're outside and they're getting, Lord knows what kind of stuff from the sky.

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Arden Moore: You can say it.

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Arden Moore: Bird poop.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Bird poop.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Maybe for a lot of us, it's raccoon deer poop, Lord knows.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: All kinds of bugs, all kinds of pesticides drifting over from the neighbor's yard.

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Arden Moore: Yes, we try to be clean, but you can't always.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: You do not want to bring in outside grass.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: It's old, it's tough, it's not appropriate.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: The kind of breeds that you can grow inside the grass.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: There are several kinds that you can get.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: We had wheat, oat, barley, rye, and you sprout it yourself or you can buy it in the pet store.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Already grown, lasts for a couple of weeks, lasts even longer if you keep it in the refrigerator.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But if you grow it yourself, they have kits that you can do that.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: And I used to just get barley seeds at Whole Foods and grow them, but until I got wise.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But that's fresh, it's organic, it's a known quantity, you control it.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: You know, it's got nothing on it that it shouldn't be there.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: And in the spring, I had a dog that was a real gracer.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: And it was his absolute joy in the spring when the fresh new grass came up.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Man, there was nothing better.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: So that's what cats enjoy the most.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: And it's really easy to provide it for them.

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Arden Moore: So yay, win, win.

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Arden Moore: And Pam, from the behavior standpoint, what happens when a cat eats quality grass?

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Arden Moore: What's going on?

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Arden Moore: Is it calming them?

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Arden Moore: What's helping them?

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Arden Moore: What's going on?

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It's cats get hairballs.

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Arden Moore: Can we say the scientific word for hairball?

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Arden Moore: So we sound cool.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Trick-A-Beezer.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Yeah, that's a fun word.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Trick-A-Beezer.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: But most of us know that familiar in the middle of the night and you step on the hairball, but they can become very serious for the cat.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So this is nature's way.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: The cat knows that eating grass helps them get rid of the hairballs.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So that is very beneficial.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: I also wanted to mention something just from the last question with Dr.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Jean is not everybody has a backyard anyway.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Even if you wanted to use the grass in the backyard, so many people live in apartments or don't have grass.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So this is a way to guarantee that you are giving your cat fresh grass.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It's so beneficial from a health standpoint and Dr.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Jean will get into the whole vomiting issue, I'm sure, when it's good and when it's not good.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: But cats, if we paid attention to, cats naturally know what to do.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So when cats are craving the grass, they know that they need to rid themselves of something.

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Arden Moore: And for people like me that will never win a green thumb award, it's pretty easy to grow, isn't it?

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It's very easy to grow and you can get it delivered fresh.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Pet Greens has it through Amazon and it's easy.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: You keep it in the refrigerator.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: They provide easy instructions.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: I do not have a green thumb and I'm able to keep it alive.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So, and it's just a matter of watering it for a certain amount of time, sitting it in water and the instructions are on the package and they'll tell you what to do.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Plus, petgreens.com has all the information or you can, if you know a little more daring, you can just grow it from the kit and that's very easy.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: What I like, because I'm also lazy, is I like when it arrives and it's already there.

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Arden Moore: I know.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: That's it.

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Arden Moore: It's like the grub hub for cats, right?

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Exactly.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Yes.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It lasts.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: My cat, now with some cats, you have to control it.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Some cats, you can put the container out and they'll just self-regulate and they'll munch when they need it.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: If you have a cat like my cat, you have to control it, so I have to bring it out to her for a certain amount of time.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Otherwise, she'll just mow it down.

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Arden Moore: What is her name?

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Arden Moore: Please don't say lawnmower.

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Arden Moore: What's her name?

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: My cat's name is Pearl and she's 16 and she still is very active, very playful, and very healthy.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: I do everything I can to make sure she lives a very full life through playtime, good food, and all those things like grass, like good quality grass.

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Arden Moore: Well said.

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Arden Moore: Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean, I want folks to know you are a holistic veterinarian and you have a great e-book called What Cats Should Eat, A Holistic Veterinary's Guide to Your Cat's Optimal Health.

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Arden Moore: I did my homework and people always think that cats are carnivores, meat.

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Arden Moore: But why is it important to have them have something like safe grass in their diet?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Well, every cat on the planet eats grass, no exceptions.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: There are many thoughts as to why they do it.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: It's for cats in warmer climates.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: It helps with get rid of parasites because, well, let's touch on the vomiting because this is-

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Arden Moore: Oh, don't just touch.

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Arden Moore: Dive in here, girl.

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Arden Moore: Come on.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: After 30-something years of veterinary practice, my conclusion is cats like to vomit.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But why do they like to vomit?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Because they're very sensitive, they have sensitive tummies.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: If the least little thing is upsetting them, they'll eat grass to get rid of whatever that is.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But it is not true that they vomit every time they eat grass.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: In fact, it's maybe 25 percent of the time they'll vomit.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: A newbie probably will because it's new, so you want to control when you start out with it.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But if they need to vomit, if they have a hairball, and my very short haired cat, Perry Christmas.

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Arden Moore: Wait a minute, slow down because I know your cat's name, but the people on this planet need to know that you're very creative.

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Arden Moore: What is your kitty's name?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Perry Christmas.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: I was a big fan of Perry Como when I was two, and he came to me on Christmas Eve.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: So yes, he's got a really good story.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: He was a stray, he was a starving, frostbitten stray.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But he loves the grass, but even his very, very short coat, he gets some monster hairballs.

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Arden Moore: We're speaking right now with Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean Hofve and Pam Johnson-Bennett, and they're going to be talking a whole gamut of cat things from, we're right diving deep into cat vomit and hairballs.

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Arden Moore: We're going to get into a catnip party too later, but we got to take a quick break.

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Arden Moore: So everybody, you know the drill.

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Arden Moore: We got to sit and purr.

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Arden Moore: We'll be right back.

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Announcer: Now back to your fetching host, America's pet edutainer, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: Welcome back to the Oh Behave Show on PetLife Radio.

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Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: We're talking with a couple of cool cats and I mean that in all ways, positive or positive.

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Arden Moore: We're talking with Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean Hofve.

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Arden Moore: She is a holistic veterinarian, runs a great site called Little Big Cat and we're with Pam Johnson-Bennett.

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Arden Moore: She's a bestselling author and cat behavior expert and I want you to please check out her site, Cat Behavior Associates.

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Arden Moore: And we were speaking with Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean about her very clever name, Cat Perry Christmas and even short cats can have hairball issues and have matting problems, right?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Yes.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: In fact, he's getting older so he's getting those short cat mats that just drive you buggy.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But he can really get some champion class hairballs going for such a short haired cat.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: And there's two things I do.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: One is if he's really in trouble, I give him Vaseline.

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Arden Moore: Vaseline?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Because it glues the hair together and skids it out the way it's supposed to go.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But grass, having access to grass prevents that build up of massive hairballs too.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: So we deal with it on this end and we deal with it on that end.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: So it's a total program and he loves grass.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But he's one of those that can graze on it.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: I grow his grass in my bucket thing with microgreens and then we can share.

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Arden Moore: Well, I want to dive deeper into hairballs.

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Arden Moore: I teach pet first aid, as you all know.

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Arden Moore: I always tell people, you've got to be a pet detective, you've got to really look at vomit and hairball and runny stools and all that.

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Arden Moore: So from the medical perspective, Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean, what are uh-ohs in a hairball?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Well, a hairball can get stuck and cause them problems.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: So especially when you're first introducing grass, you want to supervise because if they really come up with a big herker, you want to be there and make sure that they're getting the complete thing out.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: And Jackson Galaxy, my business partner, he had a cat that had a hairball that required emergency endoscopy.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But you know, but she was a long haired cat, but he talks about it in his book.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: So you do want to supervise and make sure, you know, once they're used to the grass, and this is a weak thing, now you're much safer.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But vomiting in cats, like I said, I think they kind of like it, you know, because it gives them such quick relief from whatever is ailing them.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But when you want to worry about it is when there's vomiting plus.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: So vomiting plus another symptom, lethargy, not eating right, also diarrhea.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Just, you know, or really violent or really persistent vomiting, you know, a hairball or a or a, you know, every couple of weeks, you know, it's is not anything to worry about.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But, you know, if it goes frequency, yeah, if it goes from once a week to every day or three times a day, now we call the vet.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And also when they vomit from a hairball.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Yeah, they recover and go back to normal behavior.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: If they vomit and it's something else, they usually are not returning back to normal behavior.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: You know, there are other signs.

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Arden Moore: I was going to get into that behavior part, Pam.

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Arden Moore: So you're perfectly timed.

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Arden Moore: We talked about some medical concerns, but stress from the behavior standpoint.

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Arden Moore: How does stress impact a cat and maybe lead to hairballs?

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: We think of hairballs from just for a lot of people, just the cat grooming.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: But the cat could be grooming for reasons you also have to address.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And that could be the cat is over grooming because of stress.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Stress is a huge enemy of cats.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So whenever your cat is vomiting or over grooming, if you see a change in the coat, if you see bald spots, of course you want to go to the veterinarian first.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: You always want to rule out medical issues.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: But maybe the cat is over grooming because something is happening in the household that you have to address.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And the vomiting or the hairball accumulation is secondary to what is causing the stress.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Also, you have to keep in mind cats who get older, cats who are obese, are not as efficient as grooming.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Maybe they've lost their interest in it or maybe it's too painful and difficult to really groom in a healthy way.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So they tend to keep grooming the same area over and over again.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: If their coat isn't healthy and they're grooming, they're accumulating a lot of hair.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And then they're getting the hairballs.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And also, a short hair cat who lives with a long hair cat could be getting a lot of long hair ingested.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So don't just think it's my long hair cat, my Persian cat who's getting the hairballs.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It could be, you know, if you come across a hairball, it could also be the short hair cat who's getting it.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And you also talked about being a detective and not only looking at what the cat is vomiting up and the health of the cat and the fur, but also look in the litter box.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: You know, I know it's not fun, but, you know, I live for that every day.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It is, to me, it's our responsibility because there's a tremendous amount of evidence in there about whether your cat is healthy or not.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: You know, the size of the urine clumps, whether there's blood in it, whether your cat hasn't urinated in there at all.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: But also what's happening with the feces, you know, the condition of it.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Is it normal?

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: I know it doesn't smell great, but does it smell like normal cat poop?

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: But also when I check my cat's litter box, I'm also looking for, is there a lot of hair in the poop?

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Arden Moore: Good.

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Arden Moore: Yes.

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Arden Moore: I keep looking for the Hope Diamond and I have yet to find it in a poop deposit.

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Arden Moore: But the other thing people might do is the cat's having a hairball.

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Arden Moore: Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean, and we might want to reach for an over counter hairball thing.

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Arden Moore: You talked about using, what did you say, Vaseline?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Yeah.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: My cats prefer Vaseline grand as opposed to generic.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Well, go figure.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Yeah, cats are picky.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But all of the over the counter hairball remedies are based on petroleum products.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Now the nice thing about petroleum is either mineral oil or petroleum jelly.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But the nice thing about petroleum, other than it's environmentally, you know, extremely destructive, but as a little side benefit, it is a very long molecule and cats don't have the digestive machinery to break it down.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: So it remains inert in the body.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: It globs up the hair and skids it out the back and it is completely harmless.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: It's amazing.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: I had a cat who ate Vaseline and a good chunk of Vaseline every day of her life for 20 and a half years.

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Arden Moore: Clearly, clearly.

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Arden Moore: Is the kitty's name Methuselah?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: No, her name was Spirit.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: And she was the founder of Spirit Essences, which are flower essences, now Jackson Galaxy Solutions.

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Arden Moore: And you've named the dude twice.

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Arden Moore: I know for the two people on the planet that don't know him, he's a good guy.

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Arden Moore: Come on, you guys have teamed up to create some products.

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Arden Moore: And tell people the short bio.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: We met at a friend's house and we decided to work together to save cats and to improve things for cats.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: He had a TV show for a while called My Cat from Hell, Animal Planet, came up with that lovely name.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: But we just wanted to make life better for cats and we founded Little Big Cat to do that.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: So we founded an article library and we made we made flower essences and he's gone on, of course, to bigger and better things than I.

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Arden Moore: I knew him when he was renting a place in Redondo Beach.

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Arden Moore: So I go way back with him.

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Arden Moore: I'm very happy for his success.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: What's great is we're so fortunate now that so much more attention is paid to cat health and cat behavior.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: If you think about years ago when we all started, you know, and I won't mention how old we all are, but cats were second class citizens.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: There wasn't a lot of information.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So here we have an opportunity.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: You know, we have better food.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Cat parents are getting better educated about enrichment and what cats need.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And then dealing with cat grass, you know, that's something a lot of people wouldn't even have thought about.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Or they would have just gone out in their backyard and grabbed a few sprigs of grass that maybe they had fertilized or put pesticides on.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So, you know, cats are in they still have a long way to go in terms of us really doing right by them from a behavior standpoint and a health standpoint.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: But we are we're making great strides.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And these are things, you know, being aware of your cat vomiting, checking the litter box, providing things like cat grass and monitoring it so that you're giving it in the best way.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Those are those are things, those are pieces of the puzzle that add up to optimal health for your cat.

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Arden Moore: Well said.

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Arden Moore: And folks, Pam Johnson-Bennett, she's like my cat hero in the world of behavior and Dr.

00:20:07.220 --> 00:20:09.060
Arden Moore: Jean is for the world of veterinary medicine.

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Arden Moore: OK, I'm just confessing and making a cat confession.

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Arden Moore: I've always admired everything that you have done and you keep doing.

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Arden Moore: So, folks, after the show, I think it's eight books you have now, Pam.

00:20:20.900 --> 00:20:23.420
Arden Moore: But two of my favorites are Cat vs.

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Arden Moore: Cat and also Think Like a Cat.

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Arden Moore: And you got into this field, like you said, when people were like, yeah, they're like the dog's half cousin from their whatever.

00:20:35.340 --> 00:20:37.860
Arden Moore: And I think it's pretty cool now to be a cat.

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Arden Moore: I'm the proud pet parent of four, including two that came from the community outside that have their little tipped ears.

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Arden Moore: Good for you.

00:20:46.000 --> 00:20:48.600
Arden Moore: One of them is 19 years old, Mr.

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Arden Moore: Mike, Mikey, and the other had been on the streets 10 years.

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Arden Moore: And he's a fluffy tuxedo cat named Baxter, big fluffy boy.

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Arden Moore: He would follow our two dogs on walks.

00:21:01.360 --> 00:21:04.820
Arden Moore: And we looked at each other and we're like, Texas weather's wacky.

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Arden Moore: He's getting older.

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Arden Moore: Can we try to bring him in?

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Arden Moore: And he was like, oh, yeah, I'm inside now.

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Arden Moore: I love it.

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Arden Moore: And his name is Baxter and he's a big cat, not fat, big bone like me.

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Arden Moore: He's a big cat with that falsetto voice.

00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:24.540
Arden Moore: You would say hi to him and he says so like that.

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Arden Moore: So I think cats make us better humans.

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Arden Moore: And I'm just delighted to have both Pam Johnson-Bennett and Dr.

00:21:31.860 --> 00:21:33.300
Arden Moore: Jean Hovey on our show.

00:21:33.620 --> 00:21:35.540
Arden Moore: We've talked about hairballs.

00:21:36.000 --> 00:21:45.500
Arden Moore: Yuck, but necessary to be diving in and getting the right things like good grass, like maybe pet grass and Vaseline.

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Arden Moore: I love that.

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Arden Moore: We're going to take a break and we're going to shift our focus on how we can enrich the lives of our indoor cats.

00:21:53.260 --> 00:21:55.420
Arden Moore: Yeah, I'm talking even a catnip party.

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Arden Moore: So, sit, purr, we'll be right back.

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Announcer: Time for a walk on the red carpet, of course.

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Announcer: Oh Behave will be back in a flash, right after these messages.

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Jackson Galaxy: Hey everybody, this is Jackson Galaxy from Animal Planet's My Cat From Hell.

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Jackson Galaxy: And I'm here with Arden Moore on the wonderful Oh Behave show on PetLife Radio.

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Announcer: Now back to Oh Behave.

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Announcer: Here's Arden.

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Arden Moore: Welcome back to the Oh Behave show on Pet Life Radio.

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Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

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Arden Moore: We've got two great cat experts on our show.

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Arden Moore: They are Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean.

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Arden Moore: Hubby, please check out her site, Little Big Cat.

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Arden Moore: And we have Pam Johnson-Bennett.

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Arden Moore: Please check out her site, Cat Behavior Associates.

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Arden Moore: We've dived deep into hairballs.

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Arden Moore: All right, everybody.

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Arden Moore: Inhale, exhale.

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Arden Moore: We're shifting gears.

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Arden Moore: We're getting into fun and fun with a purpose.

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Arden Moore: And that is definitely something any cat, any kitten of any age deserves.

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Arden Moore: So from the behavior standpoint, because we have Pam Johnson-Bennett, she has authored Think Like a Cat.

00:23:52.500 --> 00:23:54.660
Arden Moore: So we're going to think like a cat, Pam.

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Arden Moore: Why is play so important for indoor cats?

00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:04.500
Arden Moore: I mean, I'm just lounging, grooming, napping, eating.

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Arden Moore: What's the buzz?

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Arden Moore: What do you mean?

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Arden Moore: I got to play?

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Yeah, play is vital to cat health.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: When you think of having an indoor cat, we think of we're keeping them safe.

00:24:15.700 --> 00:24:18.280
Pam Johnson-Bennett: We're able to monitor their health better.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Yes, they get to relax and lay by a sunny window and they get the best food and they can scratch on the scratching post.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: But a big element of what makes them a cat is missing if they're not engaging in playtime.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Cats are hunters.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Out in the wild, they would make maybe a dozen hunting attempts.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: I always tell people, you know, when you bring a cat indoors and you don't enrich their environment and you don't engage in playtime with them, it's like taking like a Ferrari and just putting it up on blocks in your backyard.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: You know, it's not doing what it was meant to do.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So playtime can help with obviously it's good exercise disguised as fun.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It is good for solving behavior problems.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: If you have a cat who's bored and becomes destructive, a cat who's depressed, you're trying to address multi cat issues.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Playtime is it's one of the most powerful, powerful things.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And I know I've said this many times when I wrote my first book, somebody said, Oh gosh, you know, it's like you think play is the answer to everything.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And yeah, it pretty much is.

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Arden Moore: Hey, you had me at play.

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Arden Moore: Well, play also bonds us with our cats, right?

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It's right.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It's a great way to get to know a new cat.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It's a great way to help a cat who's frightened, a cat who's been through trauma because they're associating something pleasant with you.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: The key, though, is to play with them using a fishing pole toy, a wand type toy that puts a distance between your hands and their teeth.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: But you can also move the toy like prey, and that triggers their drive.

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Arden Moore: So be specific.

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Arden Moore: What's a wiggle that says to the cat, that's a bird or that's a mouse?

00:26:05.380 --> 00:26:06.140
Arden Moore: What's the wiggle?

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It's alternating fast and slow motion.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Obviously, you could take an interactive toy and you could wave it all around, and you could have the cat banging off the walls and jumping up and down.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: But that's not the way they hunt.

00:26:18.060 --> 00:26:19.280
Pam Johnson-Bennett: They're ambush predators.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So you want to combine having it hide behind something and then just kind of quiver a little bit.

00:26:25.420 --> 00:26:29.380
Pam Johnson-Bennett: You know, put a paper bag on its side and have the toy dart in there.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Mimic the way a cat would hunt, and a cat doesn't chase by exhaustion.

00:26:35.140 --> 00:26:36.480
Pam Johnson-Bennett: You know, they're very stealthy.

00:26:36.500 --> 00:26:37.720
Pam Johnson-Bennett: They creep up.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: They stay as invisible as possible till they get to that ambush distance.

00:26:41.840 --> 00:26:47.000
Pam Johnson-Bennett: And then the most important thing is give the cat plenty of captures.

00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:50.040
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Otherwise, it's just frustrating.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So let them have a lot of captures.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And at the end, one grand capture, slow the action down like the prey is wounded, so that the cat is left feeling, yeah, I'm a good hunter.

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Arden Moore: You're the champion of the world.

00:27:04.860 --> 00:27:06.960
Arden Moore: Well, that brings me to this point.

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Arden Moore: I'm into TikTok and we have an orange tabby named Rusty the Performer.

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Arden Moore: And the long paper receipt from the grocery store, we were just crinkling it and he came running into the kitchen and he played paper receipt tag and he leaped high in the air, snagged it, grabbed it, brought it down and boom, took a bite out of it.

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Arden Moore: And then we destroyed it in the garbage can.

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Arden Moore: I'm laughing because that was a paper receipt.

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Arden Moore: What's your take on Rusty?

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: But that sound, it's the sound.

00:27:42.040 --> 00:27:43.960
Pam Johnson-Bennett: If you crinkled it up, it's that sound.

00:27:43.980 --> 00:27:54.140
Pam Johnson-Bennett: They use, you know, hearing something, the mouse in the leaves or they smell something or obviously they see something, but their ears are incredible.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And it's very sad when cats don't get that opportunity to play.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So, you know, there may be people watching or saying, well, my cat has no interest or he's too old.

00:28:05.280 --> 00:28:07.800
Pam Johnson-Bennett: And that's where something like catnip comes in.

00:28:07.980 --> 00:28:14.520
Pam Johnson-Bennett: You know, catnip is a very valuable tool to kind of spark that play drive again.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: So, you know, cats can play at any age, any condition.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: It doesn't mean the cat who's 18 is going to play the way a four-year-old cat might, but they still should have that opportunity to play.

00:28:26.980 --> 00:28:28.460
Arden Moore: So you brought in a drug.

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Arden Moore: I'm just kidding.

00:28:29.380 --> 00:28:32.440
Arden Moore: You brought in an herb, a member of the mint family, right?

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Arden Moore: Catnip.

00:28:33.420 --> 00:28:37.240
Arden Moore: And we have a DVM here with us, a holistic veterinarian, Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean Hovey.

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Arden Moore: Catnip.

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Arden Moore: What's the fancy term for it called?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: The active ingredient is nepeta lactone.

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Arden Moore: You don't have that tattooed on your forearm, do you?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: I don't.

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Arden Moore: OK.

00:28:47.760 --> 00:28:48.620
Arden Moore: So what is that?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: I'm planning on it.

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Arden Moore: What's that do in the herb?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: We just call it nippy.

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Arden Moore: Nippy.

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Arden Moore: OK, cool.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Yeah.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: What it does is it releases endorphins.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: So, you know, in people, exercise, meditation, good music, you know, so it's not a drug per se, but it mimics narcotics in the body.

00:29:07.620 --> 00:29:19.780
Dr. Jean Hofve: It mimics the opioids, but it's not addictive because it's only endorphins, which stimulates a natural compound that's found in the body that's released during pleasurable experiences.

00:29:20.300 --> 00:29:23.340
Arden Moore: If I may ask you, years ago, I worked at Rodale Press.

00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:30.160
Arden Moore: That's where Prevention magazine was, is, and I learned a lot writing some herb books with some herbalists.

00:29:30.580 --> 00:29:37.300
Arden Moore: And I was told, but you're the doc, that catnip is sort of an stimulant for cats, if you will.

00:29:37.620 --> 00:29:39.860
Arden Moore: But for us, it makes us calm.

00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:44.500
Arden Moore: And so I was told you're supposed to maybe to get rid of the nighttime 3 a.m.

00:29:44.520 --> 00:29:53.320
Arden Moore: zoomies and cats, you could have the kitty play with a catnip toy or catnip, and then you sip your catnip tea watching, and then you both should get a good sleep.

00:29:53.520 --> 00:29:54.900
Arden Moore: Does that factor, Dr.

00:29:54.920 --> 00:29:55.180
Arden Moore: Jean?

00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:56.660
Dr. Jean Hofve: That makes perfect sense.

00:29:56.760 --> 00:30:04.480
Dr. Jean Hofve: And the thing about catnip is the effects only last about 15 minutes, and after that, they settle down.

00:30:04.820 --> 00:30:12.940
Dr. Jean Hofve: So you get benefits for both of you in terms of getting a good night's sleep, but the cat gets to have a little more fun on the way.

00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.660
Arden Moore: Now there's catnip and then there's catnip.

00:30:15.900 --> 00:30:16.240
Dr. Jean Hofve: Right.

00:30:16.940 --> 00:30:22.320
Arden Moore: Both of you experts, what should we be looking for in getting quality catnip for our cats?

00:30:22.420 --> 00:30:23.320
Arden Moore: We'll go with Dr.

00:30:23.340 --> 00:30:24.240
Arden Moore: Jean and then Pam.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Well, organic for sure, because you don't know what's being sprayed or how it's being harvested.

00:30:31.580 --> 00:30:35.360
Dr. Jean Hofve: You can use fresh catnip, you can use dried catnip.

00:30:35.620 --> 00:30:41.580
Dr. Jean Hofve: My cats have tended to prefer to ride, but fresh is a little stronger, if you will.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Well, we think that the reason cats are attracted to it is because fresh catnip is a mosquito repellent and when they roll in it, they are maybe stopping some bad nasties from bothering them while they're squished down hunting.

00:30:58.900 --> 00:31:01.720
Dr. Jean Hofve: And the last thing you want is a mosquito buzzing in your ear.

00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:05.280
Dr. Jean Hofve: But it's just a great and interesting plant.

00:31:05.300 --> 00:31:09.840
Dr. Jean Hofve: But once the zoomies are done, it does have the sedating effect.

00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.360
Dr. Jean Hofve: And there's a myth that two-thirds of cats are responders and one-third aren't.

00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:24.780
Dr. Jean Hofve: But I think the quote non-responders actually are responding, but they're going right into that meditative state.

00:31:25.360 --> 00:31:34.140
Dr. Jean Hofve: So if your cat is exposed to catnip and they just sit there like this, like, I used to have friends like that in college, but that's another story.

00:31:34.560 --> 00:31:35.820
Arden Moore: It wasn't catnip.

00:31:35.840 --> 00:31:36.100
Arden Moore: Yes.

00:31:36.320 --> 00:31:37.220
Arden Moore: Hey, everyone.

00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:38.400
Arden Moore: We're speaking with Dr.

00:31:38.580 --> 00:31:39.480
Arden Moore: Jean Hofve.

00:31:39.800 --> 00:31:43.780
Arden Moore: She's a holistic veterinarian and also Pam Johnson-Bennett.

00:31:43.860 --> 00:31:46.840
Arden Moore: She's a cat behavior expert and a bestselling author.

00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:48.600
Arden Moore: We're going to take a quick break.

00:31:48.620 --> 00:31:55.540
Arden Moore: And when we come back, we're going to throw a catnip party and we're going to talk to some other specifics about enriching your cat's life.

00:31:55.740 --> 00:31:58.580
Arden Moore: So sit, purr, we'll be right back.

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Arden Moore: Welcome back to the Oh Behave Show on Pet Life Radio.

00:33:10.485 --> 00:33:12.005
Arden Moore: I'm your host, Arden Moore.

00:33:12.165 --> 00:33:13.705
Arden Moore: Wow, make that me wow.

00:33:13.825 --> 00:33:20.665
Arden Moore: I'm learning a lot about cats, and I hope you are too, because there are more cats in American homes and worldwide than dogs.

00:33:20.765 --> 00:33:44.145
Arden Moore: I have dogs and cats, don't ask me to decide, but it is a good time to be an indoor cat, because there's more and more scientific studies happening, there's more efforts to improve their nutrition, their health and their behavior, and something is silly but very productive, like throwing a catnip party might be just the ticket for your indoor cat to beat off boredom.

00:33:44.745 --> 00:33:49.325
Arden Moore: And Pam Johnson-Bennett, who wrote the book, Think Like a Cat and Cat vs.

00:33:49.345 --> 00:33:49.605
Arden Moore: Cat.

00:33:49.925 --> 00:33:52.625
Arden Moore: Hey, what's the good about a catnip party?

00:33:53.225 --> 00:33:59.185
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Well, first about catnip, obviously it's a lot of fun and it's great to watch your cat just have a good time.

00:33:59.385 --> 00:34:01.505
Arden Moore: These are TikTok opportunities, right?

00:34:01.605 --> 00:34:03.745
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Right, but it's also a valuable tool.

00:34:03.805 --> 00:34:08.965
Pam Johnson-Bennett: You can use it during cat introductions, you can use it for so many things.

00:34:09.305 --> 00:34:12.385
Pam Johnson-Bennett: So it's a valuable tool in your behavior toolbox.

00:34:12.405 --> 00:34:16.785
Pam Johnson-Bennett: So don't just dismiss it as fun, it's very important.

00:34:17.065 --> 00:34:31.645
Pam Johnson-Bennett: The first time you give catnip, you do wanna do it with your cat by themselves because some cats get a little too enthusiastic and so before you, if you have a multi-cat household, throw that catnip party after you know how each cat reacts to it.

00:34:31.805 --> 00:34:33.805
Arden Moore: Good point, good safety tip, yes.

00:34:33.825 --> 00:34:36.625
Pam Johnson-Bennett: You know, there's obviously fresh catnip and dry catnip.

00:34:36.825 --> 00:34:44.225
Pam Johnson-Bennett: For cats who like to chew it, probably the fresh catnip is a little easier on their mouth than the dry catnip, which might be a little pinchy.

00:34:44.765 --> 00:34:49.525
Pam Johnson-Bennett: It's okay if they chew it, how the effect comes through them smelling it.

00:34:50.345 --> 00:34:55.325
Pam Johnson-Bennett: But it's okay if they eat it, it's okay if they roll in it, they can have a lot of fun with it.

00:34:56.025 --> 00:34:58.225
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Can you, I don't know, I guess you could eat it.

00:34:58.245 --> 00:34:59.605
Pam Johnson-Bennett: I mean, I've had catnip tea.

00:35:00.405 --> 00:35:01.705
Arden Moore: What about dogs though?

00:35:01.785 --> 00:35:05.985
Arden Moore: My dogs get kind of interested when we give catnip to our four felines.

00:35:06.245 --> 00:35:10.925
Pam Johnson-Bennett: That may be more of they're interested in how the change in the cats are behaving.

00:35:10.925 --> 00:35:12.605
Pam Johnson-Bennett: So it's like, well, what are they doing?

00:35:12.625 --> 00:35:16.785
Pam Johnson-Bennett: I want to, you know, Meg Ryan, I'll have what he's having, you know, kind of thing.

00:35:17.365 --> 00:35:19.805
Pam Johnson-Bennett: But talking about catnip parties, all right.

00:35:20.085 --> 00:35:23.685
Pam Johnson-Bennett: You can use catnip in terms of just spreading it out.

00:35:24.085 --> 00:35:29.885
Pam Johnson-Bennett: You can put it, a lot of times I'll put it in a sock and not the sock and just throw that out.

00:35:30.305 --> 00:35:36.485
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Don't buy toys that are embedded with catnip already, because you don't know the quality of the catnip.

00:35:36.505 --> 00:35:39.085
Pam Johnson-Bennett: So, you know, you want to use organic catnip.

00:35:39.105 --> 00:35:45.525
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Pet Greens has such great catnip and you can buy a toy and you can either marinate it.

00:35:45.565 --> 00:35:46.325
Pam Johnson-Bennett: That's what I do.

00:35:46.345 --> 00:35:49.505
Pam Johnson-Bennett: I keep them in a container and I marinate my catnip toys.

00:35:50.025 --> 00:35:54.025
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Or you can't some of the toys have pouches in them and then you just fill it.

00:35:54.285 --> 00:35:56.465
Pam Johnson-Bennett: But when you throw a catnip party, do it.

00:35:57.445 --> 00:36:02.985
Pam Johnson-Bennett: If you've been working a lot and you've been neglecting the playtime, then maybe it's time for a catnip party.

00:36:03.905 --> 00:36:20.005
Pam Johnson-Bennett: I throw a catnip party for Pearl when I have a lot of company over, Christmas, holidays and I put her in a separate room because she doesn't want to meet my husband's 20 relatives, and I throw a catnip party for her.

00:36:20.005 --> 00:36:22.545
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Hopefully, he won't be listening to this.

00:36:22.565 --> 00:36:25.325
Arden Moore: Oh no, he's fine and his relatives are fine too.

00:36:25.345 --> 00:36:29.365
Arden Moore: They're already subscribers to my show, so that's fine.

00:36:29.385 --> 00:36:41.125
Pam Johnson-Bennett: So catnip parties, catnip is such, again, it's so valuable, it's fun, but it has behavioral benefits, so don't just neglect it.

00:36:41.445 --> 00:36:43.305
Arden Moore: It's a good tool for cats.

00:36:43.325 --> 00:36:45.625
Arden Moore: Now, let me switch over to the good doctor.

00:36:45.865 --> 00:36:50.525
Arden Moore: All my cats love catnip, even 19-year-old Mikey who sometimes goes, where am I?

00:36:50.765 --> 00:36:52.485
Arden Moore: But that's all right, I love the man.

00:36:52.705 --> 00:36:57.545
Arden Moore: But if they don't like catnip, there's a couple other things out there that maybe people could consider.

00:36:57.745 --> 00:37:01.145
Arden Moore: What are they and how should they look for a quality one?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: There is a product called Silver Vine.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: My cats were not interested in it in the least.

00:37:07.905 --> 00:37:11.325
Dr. Jean Hofve: A lot of cats do like to chew it and it's like a chew toy for them.

00:37:11.545 --> 00:37:12.585
Arden Moore: What is Silver Vine?

00:37:12.925 --> 00:37:16.905
Dr. Jean Hofve: It's a tropical vine that smells weird, apparently.

00:37:18.265 --> 00:37:19.525
Arden Moore: That's her medical.

00:37:19.725 --> 00:37:24.345
Dr. Jean Hofve: Some cats even like Valerian, which I think smells like hurting them.

00:37:24.585 --> 00:37:26.725
Dr. Jean Hofve: But it is sedating for cats and some cats.

00:37:26.785 --> 00:37:33.165
Dr. Jean Hofve: I had a cat who

00:37:36.045 --> 00:37:40.765
Dr. Jean Hofve: She liked things that put her in a whizzy state.

00:37:40.785 --> 00:37:41.905
Dr. Jean Hofve: She was a good party girl.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: I want to mention too that catnip is a great training tool.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: If you have a cat that you're trying to train to a scratching post, or especially one of those cardboard scratchers, you put the catnip on that and they will go after it like crazy.

00:37:56.525 --> 00:37:58.425
Arden Moore: Save your sofa, SOS.

00:37:59.045 --> 00:38:01.085
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Use the organic catnip.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: If you have a cat and you have bought all these catnip toys, and you say, well, my cat obviously doesn't like catnip.

00:38:07.325 --> 00:38:10.125
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Again, it may not be good quality catnip.

00:38:10.145 --> 00:38:14.685
Pam Johnson-Bennett: In some cases with some of the really cheap toys, it's not even catnip.

00:38:14.705 --> 00:38:16.005
Arden Moore: That's bad.

00:38:16.105 --> 00:38:18.085
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Always be in control of what you're giving her.

00:38:18.145 --> 00:38:18.625
Pam Johnson-Bennett: You're giving your cat.

00:38:18.905 --> 00:38:19.405
Arden Moore: Excellent.

00:38:19.425 --> 00:38:21.185
Arden Moore: What about honeysuckle, Dr.

00:38:21.205 --> 00:38:22.465
Arden Moore: Jean, do you take on that?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: I have heard occasionally of that, but again, it is a little bit sedating and you'll find it in some herbal formulas, but it's not something that I would grab a honeysuckle vine and throw it down on the floor for them.

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Dr. Jean Hofve: I would hesitate to do that because again, coming from outside, you don't know what pesticides are on it.

00:38:40.685 --> 00:38:42.145
Dr. Jean Hofve: You don't know the quality of it.

00:38:42.425 --> 00:38:43.765
Dr. Jean Hofve: I would hesitate about that.

00:38:43.825 --> 00:38:52.605
Arden Moore: Well, I'm glad my cats are catnip aficionados, and they're not snobs, but we do look for organic catnip, and you both have given good tips.

00:38:53.085 --> 00:38:54.585
Arden Moore: So we've got the catnip party.

00:38:54.605 --> 00:38:55.545
Arden Moore: We're wrapping this up.

00:38:55.865 --> 00:39:05.645
Arden Moore: What about some other things, maybe two or three things each one of you want to share that could make an indoor cat brain working, more enriched so they're better behaved?

00:39:05.685 --> 00:39:10.385
Arden Moore: What can we do without turning our house into a cat house, Pam?

00:39:10.405 --> 00:39:13.725
Arden Moore: What would be something you would recommend or have people consider?

00:39:14.485 --> 00:39:27.965
Pam Johnson-Bennett: I am a huge fan of puzzle feeders, because too many cats become couch potatoes and they just waddle to the kitchen and eat a mountain of food and then waddle back to the couch.

00:39:28.365 --> 00:39:32.325
Pam Johnson-Bennett: So puzzle feeders come in all degrees of levels.

00:39:32.465 --> 00:39:40.265
Pam Johnson-Bennett: You can do something as basic as just putting an egg carton down, an empty egg carton or a muffin tin and putting food in each compartment.

00:39:40.565 --> 00:39:44.065
Pam Johnson-Bennett: But help your cats work for food to use their brain.

00:39:44.225 --> 00:39:52.905
Pam Johnson-Bennett: I love taking treats and hiding them and I keep track of where I had them so that my cat can go on a treasure hunt.

00:39:52.905 --> 00:39:56.325
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Things that let them use their brains, they're so smart.

00:39:56.585 --> 00:39:57.965
Pam Johnson-Bennett: So I love puzzle feeders.

00:39:57.985 --> 00:40:00.525
Pam Johnson-Bennett: And then the other thing is training.

00:40:00.745 --> 00:40:02.385
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Give your cats jobs to do.

00:40:02.565 --> 00:40:04.625
Pam Johnson-Bennett: I'm also a big fan of clicker training.

00:40:05.545 --> 00:40:09.485
Pam Johnson-Bennett: You can do fun things like sit and rollover and all of those things.

00:40:09.505 --> 00:40:12.825
Pam Johnson-Bennett: But training your cat to accept going in the carrier.

00:40:12.925 --> 00:40:18.945
Pam Johnson-Bennett: All the things that will make training easier, clipping nails, cleaning the teeth, checking the ears.

00:40:19.225 --> 00:40:22.205
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Clicker training is a very valuable tool.

00:40:22.225 --> 00:40:26.825
Pam Johnson-Bennett: And you can search the Google for, just put clicker training in.

00:40:26.845 --> 00:40:31.025
Pam Johnson-Bennett: And there are a lot of good sites and YouTube videos that will show you how to do it.

00:40:31.025 --> 00:40:36.105
Pam Johnson-Bennett: But I think puzzle feeders and clicker training are two things that really help cats use their brain.

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Arden Moore: I like it.

00:40:36.845 --> 00:40:37.965
Arden Moore: I like that very much.

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Arden Moore: Good job.

00:40:38.725 --> 00:40:39.265
Arden Moore: Dr.

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Arden Moore: Jean, what would be a couple of things you could suggest?

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Dr. Jean Hofve: Well, I would emphasize vertical space.

00:40:45.365 --> 00:40:46.765
Dr. Jean Hofve: Provide space for your cat.

00:40:47.145 --> 00:40:56.745
Dr. Jean Hofve: And you can use the treats or the conjunction and put the treats up high so they have to jump and they have to work at it and not just roll around on the floor.

00:40:56.765 --> 00:41:02.805
Dr. Jean Hofve: Now, I have a thing called, in terms of puzzle toys, this is a snuffle mat.

00:41:03.285 --> 00:41:05.485
Arden Moore: It is made for snuffle mats.

00:41:05.505 --> 00:41:15.025
Arden Moore: We have those in our, not our patio, ready for it, our enclosed petio, because we have things for our dogs and for our cats and we have snuffle mats.

00:41:15.045 --> 00:41:16.125
Arden Moore: Tell folks what that is.

00:41:16.405 --> 00:41:22.285
Dr. Jean Hofve: Well, it's originally made for pigs or popular indoor pigs.

00:41:22.645 --> 00:41:23.145
Arden Moore: OK.

00:41:23.545 --> 00:41:25.265
Dr. Jean Hofve: You know, because they like to root around.

00:41:25.285 --> 00:41:29.625
Dr. Jean Hofve: But I have treats in the little flappies and in the little corners.

00:41:29.625 --> 00:41:34.065
Dr. Jean Hofve: And Perry really, he comes and really works at it.

00:41:34.425 --> 00:41:36.585
Dr. Jean Hofve: And so it's in the way of a puzzle toy.

00:41:36.605 --> 00:41:38.645
Dr. Jean Hofve: But he is really cool about that.

00:41:38.645 --> 00:41:41.505
Dr. Jean Hofve: And it rolls up for storage or whatever you're going to do.

00:41:41.965 --> 00:41:43.045
Arden Moore: Is machine washable?

00:41:43.185 --> 00:41:44.405
Dr. Jean Hofve: I washed it yesterday.

00:41:44.665 --> 00:41:45.045
Dr. Jean Hofve: Yes.

00:41:46.205 --> 00:41:51.545
Arden Moore: Hey, we've been speaking with two amazing cat experts, Pam Johnson-Bennett.

00:41:51.845 --> 00:41:54.745
Arden Moore: She's a cat behavior expert, bestselling author.

00:41:54.805 --> 00:41:57.965
Arden Moore: Please check her out at catbehaviorassociates.com.

00:41:58.205 --> 00:42:00.605
Arden Moore: I love her book Think Like a Cat, Cat vs.

00:42:00.625 --> 00:42:00.865
Arden Moore: Cat.

00:42:00.885 --> 00:42:01.985
Arden Moore: She's got six other titles.

00:42:02.165 --> 00:42:06.945
Arden Moore: They're on the tip of my tongue, like a cat, haha, that I don't know, but you can check her out.

00:42:07.265 --> 00:42:08.745
Arden Moore: And please check out Dr.

00:42:08.765 --> 00:42:09.545
Arden Moore: Jean Hofve.

00:42:09.805 --> 00:42:14.285
Arden Moore: Yes, that's like Bon Jovi, H-O-F-V-E, though, is how she spells her name.

00:42:14.605 --> 00:42:18.845
Arden Moore: And I love her website, littlebigcat.com.

00:42:19.265 --> 00:42:26.345
Arden Moore: And she has a new book out, an ebook called What Cats Should Eat, a Holistic Veterinarian's Guide to Your Cat's Optimal Health.

00:42:26.585 --> 00:42:42.905
Arden Moore: You both are here as consultants, obviously, for pet greens, which was nice because you brought in some safe factors about cat grass and all, but one last question, what would be a parting message each one of you would like to give to our global audience, starting with Dr.

00:42:42.925 --> 00:42:43.165
Arden Moore: Jean?

00:42:43.405 --> 00:42:44.345
Dr. Jean Hofve: Love on your cat.

00:42:45.105 --> 00:42:45.985
Dr. Jean Hofve: Just love on them.

00:42:46.105 --> 00:42:51.925
Dr. Jean Hofve: There's a study that says eight minutes of petting a day is like the minimum.

00:42:52.085 --> 00:43:02.385
Dr. Jean Hofve: And if you can't give eight minutes a day to petting your cat, not while watching TV, not while zooming on your phone, not while just dedicated attention to your cat.

00:43:02.485 --> 00:43:06.885
Dr. Jean Hofve: That will solve so many problems and it will give you both a wonderful life.

00:43:07.105 --> 00:43:07.765
Arden Moore: Well said.

00:43:07.785 --> 00:43:09.205
Arden Moore: How about you, Pam?

00:43:09.425 --> 00:43:13.765
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Pay attention to your cat because your cat is communicating to you.

00:43:14.085 --> 00:43:18.305
Pam Johnson-Bennett: If there is a behavior problem, it's not that the cat is mean or spiteful or stupid.

00:43:18.525 --> 00:43:26.725
Pam Johnson-Bennett: The cat is trying to solve a problem and if you don't know what it is or there's a change in behavior you don't understand, always consult your veterinarian.

00:43:26.985 --> 00:43:31.065
Pam Johnson-Bennett: Always rule out medical issues first and then tackle the behavior.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: And don't live with behavior issues.

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Pam Johnson-Bennett: Correct them.

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Arden Moore: I like that.

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Arden Moore: That's our show for today at this time.

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Arden Moore: I also want to give a shout out to my producer, Mark Winter.

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Arden Moore: He is the executive producer of Pet Life Radio, the largest pet radio network on the planet.

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Arden Moore: And this show is the longest running pet podcast on the planet.

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Arden Moore: We've been on the air since 07, when no one knew what a podcast was.

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Arden Moore: And we just were received the 2024 award as Best Pet Podcast by Feedspot.

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Arden Moore: We're still waiting for a car.

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Arden Moore: There's no car, but we'll take the award.

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Arden Moore: I also want to thank all of you for tuning in, because we're here to give you good information in a fun way.

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Arden Moore: And until next time, this is your fleet-free host, Arden Moore, delivering just two words to all you two, three and four-leggers out there, Oh Behave.

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Announcer: Coast to coast and around the world, it's Oh Behave with Arden Moore.

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Announcer: Oh Behave with America's Pet Edutainer, Arden Moore.

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