19 Cats And Counting

Well, let’s go back to my childhood. I grew up in a Brady Bunch-like family in a town called Crown Point, located in Northwest Indiana. Until winning a couple high school state titles in girls’ basketball in the 1980s, this sleepy Hoosier town had earned notoriety as the place where bank robber John Dillinger escaped from the county jail in the 1930s by fooling the local sheriff with a “gun” carved from a bar of soap and blackened with shoe polish. I was fortunate to grow up on the outskirts of town with a backyard that rolled into the shoreline of a fresh water lake. Summers found me training my cat, Corky, to swim and learning how to turn double plays on the softball diamond. Winters were spent building snow-fortified forts and going full throttle on the family snow mobile across the frozen lake surface.

By my first year in high school, I quickly learned that my future would not be in the world of music. After all, there is not a big demand for people who play the glockenspiel, so I cajoled the editor of the local weekly newspaper into hiring me to be a sports writer. I discovered I liked putting nouns and verbs together far more than trying to strike the right note on a too-heavy metal instrument with a mallet. As a corn-fed Hoosier, I valued my Midwest roots, but knew I needed to experience other places. My insatiable curiosity led me to spending the next 20 years chasing stories as a reporter and editor for daily newspapers in Indiana and Florida. From there, I entered the publishing world at the family-owned Rodale Press located in another sleepy town — this one called Emmaus, Pennsylvania. At Rodale, my “day job” was health writer for the book division, but I moonlighted as a writer for their new magazine called Pets: Part of the Family. There, I realized that I could tap my love of writing and interviewing to help people become healthier and to tout the power of pets. Pets and people — that’s what I am all about. In fact, I can’t remember a time when there wasn’t at least one tail-wagger in my life. Today, I happily share my home in Dallas, Texas with my Furry Brady Bunch. Never did I imagine growing up as a glockenspiel-playing teen-ager in Crown Point would I some day see my name on dozens of books and hundreds of magazine articles. I feel fortunate to have hit the right note - finally!

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Announcer: Let's talk pets.

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Linda Hall: Hello, my cat-loving friends.

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Linda Hall: So I have found myself in a pickle.

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Linda Hall: We have 11 cats and my husband wants a dog.

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Linda Hall: Now, the last time we got a dog, we only had a few cats.

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Linda Hall: It wasn't so bad, but oh my goodness, with 11 cats.

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Linda Hall: I'm having a panic attack.

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Linda Hall: So Rita's called in the big guns.

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Linda Hall: If you don't know Arden Moore, well, I'm sorry.

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Linda Hall: And you should get to know her because she is all things cats and dogs.

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Linda Hall: She lives in harmony with all the species show in love.

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Linda Hall: And we're gonna really hit up her knowledge and help me out.

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Linda Hall: And you get to ride along with me.

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Linda Hall: Welcome back to 19 Cats and Counting.

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Linda Hall: I am your cohost, Linda Hall, here with my gorgeous BFF, who is on now up to 19 Cats.

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Rita Reimers: Those of you who are watching the video just saw me kissing a kitty here.

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Rita Reimers: And this is Teddy.

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Rita Reimers: I'm back to 19 Cats and Counting.

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Rita Reimers: Please don't send me anymore.

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Rita Reimers: I love them all, but no.

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Rita Reimers: On that happy note, you're about to add a dog.

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Rita Reimers: Let's go right to Arden, and she's the expert on Chinese dog cat, and you have a peaceful household.

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Rita Reimers: How many cats and how many dogs do you have Arden?

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Arden Moore: Well, first of all, paws up to everyone and especially you, Rita and Linda.

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Arden Moore: And I'm living proof that you can have harmony in a mixed specie household.

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Arden Moore: Our furry Brady bunch, because I got married and we combined and, you know, things transition.

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Arden Moore: We now are four cats from age 20 to age five.

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Arden Moore: And two dogs who are age nine and five.

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Arden Moore: And they know that cats are gods.

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Arden Moore: That's the secret.

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Arden Moore: I just let it out.

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Arden Moore: And I'm in my backyard office, Arden, with head safety cat Casey at the mic.

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Rita Reimers: Look at that cutie pie.

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Arden Moore: Right here and hiding behind me is little bit in my mouth.

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Arden Moore: So do you guys hear any spitting?

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Rita Reimers: Well, everyone looks really cold.

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Linda Hall: We got it.

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Linda Hall: We got it.

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Arden Moore: It can happen.

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Linda Hall: Well, I think we had three or four cats, which at the time I thought was a lot when we brought Sadie in.

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Linda Hall: Sadie was a Chihuahua, very easy to control her.

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Linda Hall: She was more scared of them than they were of her.

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Linda Hall: They all found their peace.

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Linda Hall: It wasn't that exciting.

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Linda Hall: Now we have 11 cats, though, Arden, 11, with every personality you can find.

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Arden Moore: That's a key point.

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Arden Moore: They're like sentient beings.

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Arden Moore: We all have different personalities.

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Linda Hall: So it's like I can look at this one and that one and go, you'll be fine.

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Linda Hall: And then I look at another one and go, this is not going to go well.

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Linda Hall: So starting with, I think it's been picking out the dog.

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Linda Hall: So like he sent me a shepherd, an Australian shepherd, I think it was.

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Linda Hall: And I was like, no, herding dog, herding dog.

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Linda Hall: I'm not bringing herding.

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Rita Reimers: You've experienced that.

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Rita Reimers: You had a friend with a herding dog and all that dog tried to do all day long was herd the cats, right?

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Arden Moore: Right.

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Linda Hall: And the people down and so did the cats.

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Arden Moore: I had a corgi like that.

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Arden Moore: Yeah.

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Linda Hall: So, you know, I don't want something super high energy.

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Linda Hall: I don't want, I mean, there's so much to consider.

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Linda Hall: What should I be looking at looking for?

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Arden Moore: Well, the good news is you're not making a rash decision without doing your homework.

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Arden Moore: And as the great Marty Brecker veterinarian taught me a long time ago, Arden, when you bring in a cat or a dog or a puppy or kitten into your house, think this.

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Arden Moore: This sentient being is probably gonna last longer than your car, probably where you live.

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Arden Moore: You might move, you might change jobs and close your ears, Linda.

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Arden Moore: You may even transition to a new partner, two-legged.

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Arden Moore: The one constant is that cat or dog living anywhere from 12 to 20 plus years.

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Arden Moore: So take your time.

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Arden Moore: There's no rule saying to all of you out there, I need to get a dog right now.

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Arden Moore: No, you need to find the right cat, adoring, respecting dog.

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Arden Moore: And that's your mission.

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Rita Reimers: I always tell people that one of the biggest secrets of the introduction phase is to have good control of a dog.

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Rita Reimers: Would you say that's true?

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Arden Moore: Absolutely.

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Arden Moore: No matter whether you're getting a puppy, a primetime dog or a senior dog, you need to control the introductions and control their movement, especially when they first start.

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Arden Moore: So there's nothing wrong with having a long lead to a harness that you can just conveniently step on or tether to the living room furniture so that you can control the movement of the dog.

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Arden Moore: But when it comes to dogs and breeds, the nice thing is that there are some genetic tendencies in certain breeds, but there's always, always a lazy terrier and always a quiet chihuahua.

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Arden Moore: There's always exceptions to the rule.

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Arden Moore: So if you're going to a shelter, a rescue group, have them do the cat temperament test with that dog.

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Arden Moore: That's how I got Kona.

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Arden Moore: Pet safety dog Kona is now nine.

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Arden Moore: She's a terrier mix.

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Arden Moore: I got her from the Rancho Costa Humane Society on April 18th, 2016.

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Arden Moore: Not that I remember the date.

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Arden Moore: Not at all.

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Arden Moore: And the reason I picked her was she passed all my temperament tests.

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Arden Moore: And the final test was there's a very dog savvy cat at the rescue group.

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Arden Moore: And Kona went and did the lip licking, sit down, look away.

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Arden Moore: You are God, lay down.

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Arden Moore: And this dog said, I think cats are gods.

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Arden Moore: And that's what sealed the deal for me.

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Arden Moore: Another option, and maybe I don't want to tug at your heartstrings, Linda, and to others, why don't you consider fostering?

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Arden Moore: Because people say you're a foster failure.

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Arden Moore: No, if you find that that's a right match, that cat, that dog, that's a foster success.

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Linda Hall: Yes.

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Arden Moore: And take your time.

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Arden Moore: There are some big dogs out there that are very calm.

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Arden Moore: Our last big dog, 93 pounds, Buja was a Bernese Mountain Dog mix with a dash of Cata Hula.

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Arden Moore: And she was like, cats are so funny.

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Arden Moore: I walked around the kitchen island with my plume tail and they sit on each corner of the kitchen island.

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Arden Moore: And as I walked by them, they go, and then they go to the other one.

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Arden Moore: So the size of the dog does not matter.

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Arden Moore: It's the temperament and the prey drive that do matter.

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Rita Reimers: That's the big one, the prey drive.

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Rita Reimers: You talked about a test you did at the shelter rescue.

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Rita Reimers: Talk more about that so people know what you did.

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Arden Moore: Good quality shelters, good quality rescue groups, they know the importance of having a good introduction.

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Arden Moore: And as much as they want that dog or that cat to get adopted by you, they don't want that dog or cat returned to you.

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Arden Moore: So the good ones know that this is a big test.

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Arden Moore: So typically what will happen is you're in a controlled environment, you're in an area in the shelter enclosed, and the dog has gotten a chance to get to know you.

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Arden Moore: And they have a cat that's confident like a Casey.

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Arden Moore: Casey, my safety cat is an orange tabby that he's never met a stranger or a strange person.

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Arden Moore: He's very dog confident.

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Arden Moore: And they have the dog tethered and the cat gets to walk into that room on their own.

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Arden Moore: There's hiding spaces, there's a sturdy cat tree, there's shelter personnel there, and there's definitely treats.

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Arden Moore: And you need to watch your breathing and you need to watch how you are.

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Arden Moore: This is not the time to baby talk.

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Arden Moore: And I'm like a cat or a dog going, next human, please, please.

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Arden Moore: My wax is out of my ears.

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Arden Moore: It's, hey, here's our dog.

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Arden Moore: You know, let's say, let's give it a dog.

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Arden Moore: I'll name the dog after my sister.

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Linda Hall: There you go.

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Arden Moore: Dab, here's Dab the dog.

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Arden Moore: And I'll name the other one after my other sister, Karen.

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Arden Moore: Hey, Karen, Dab.

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Arden Moore: Have treats, but if you do have treats, they've gotta be one bite and swallow, and you definitely need to give that treat to the cat first.

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Arden Moore: Because cats don't care about rank, dogs do.

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Arden Moore: In my household, all the dogs feel like privates or maybe corporals, but all the cats feel like generals or maybe captains.

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Arden Moore: And because you have that, then there isn't this competition for leadership.

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Arden Moore: So in the shelter, it may take a couple of visits.

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Arden Moore: You don't have to make a decision that day.

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Arden Moore: You just may say, you know, he seems or she seems to be pretty okay, not really staring down at the cat or licking their lips or putting on a napkin around their neck with a fork and knife.

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Arden Moore: You know, they're not doing any of that.

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Arden Moore: If they're paying more attention to you, if they're more interested in the treat, or if they let the cat sniff them without reactivity, all these are really nice signs you don't have to say, this is the dog.

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Arden Moore: And no matter what, I have to have this dog now because you can really stress out the whole household, the cats, you, your husband and the other dogs.

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Arden Moore: So it's a foster movement or it's a borrowed or it's we're gonna take it for a test run.

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Arden Moore: I don't know.

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Arden Moore: How do you feel about that, Linda?

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Linda Hall: They do that.

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Linda Hall: And I'll tell you exactly my concern.

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Linda Hall: You can tell me if I'm being silly.

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Rita Reimers: I can probably say it in word for word what you're gonna say.

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Linda Hall: You bring the cat home or the dog home for a week, and then you can return it if it doesn't work out.

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Linda Hall: I just can't bring sweet Deb into my home.

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Linda Hall: And then a week later say, sorry, pal, it didn't work out.

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Linda Hall: You have to go back.

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Arden Moore: You gotta work on your control.

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Arden Moore: You and Rita both have giant hearts, and you have done a lot for cats and dogs in the world.

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Arden Moore: And I applaud you both for that.

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Arden Moore: But you have to pick with a purpose.

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Arden Moore: I mean, we're kind of toying with the idea of getting another dog, because I teach pet first aid and Kona's nine.

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Arden Moore: She's perfectly healthy and Casey's nine, but I would like to have a dog that's kind of bulletproof in a classroom.

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Arden Moore: So if you bring this dog home, you and Brian have to say to one another, this is a trial run.

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Arden Moore: And you may know the decision in three days.

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Arden Moore: You may know the decision in four, but I'm just saying, you're having this dog for a long time.

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Arden Moore: He or she's gonna make an impact on you, on Brian and all the 11 cats.

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Arden Moore: So ask yourself, what is the biggest thing?

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Arden Moore: Is this gonna work or is it not?

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Arden Moore: And if it isn't gonna work, why am I gonna torture all of us?

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Linda Hall: Thank you.

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Linda Hall: Well, I said that about the herding dog.

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Linda Hall: I said, I'm putting this dog through a three-part test.

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Linda Hall: Canine, if the dog is a big herder and I've got 11 cats and people everywhere, that poor dog is like, no, this is not good for me.

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Linda Hall: Cats would not appreciate this energy.

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Linda Hall: No, it's not good for them.

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Linda Hall: Humans, we're gonna have a nervous breakdown because they're all having a nervous breakdown.

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Linda Hall: So I said every sentient being in the house has the right to have a good experience here and have some peace.

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Rita Reimers: Well, hopefully if you've done the up-front work right, then when you get the dog home, there shouldn't be a lot of surprises.

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Rita Reimers: Would you say that's true, Arden?

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Arden Moore: Yeah, we do have to do our homework.

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Arden Moore: You're right, Rita.

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Arden Moore: That means you better have designated escape routes that only cats can get to, up and under that a dog cannot get to.

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Arden Moore: You need to have maybe some pheromones plugged in.

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Arden Moore: I don't know.

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Arden Moore: There's those artificial ones out there.

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Arden Moore: Half and half work don't.

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Arden Moore: You better make sure that the litter box area is off limits to the dog because you don't want sudden litter box issue where the cat's reading the newspaper in the litter box and doing their daily dump.

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Arden Moore: And the dog goes, and then the cat goes, literally.

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Rita Reimers: That's gonna be hard in your household, Linda.

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Rita Reimers: How many litter cans do you have?

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Linda Hall: We've discussed this because so many of our clients say, I really have to watch the litter box because my dog thinks it's a place for buffet and snack.

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Arden Moore: Well, it also is, think about that.

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Arden Moore: A cat is the most vulnerable in a litter box.

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Linda Hall: 100%.

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Arden Moore: Secondly, I'm gonna put on my Pet First Aid instructor hat.

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Arden Moore: The dog can eat the little nugget and then get an abdominal obstruction with the litter.

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Linda Hall: Yeah.

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Arden Moore: And you're gonna have to have surgery.

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Arden Moore: So these little Tootsie Rolls are not a good idea.

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Arden Moore: So make sure you have ways to keep the dog from getting to those areas and the cats feel that they're safe to be able to make a dump.

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Arden Moore: There you go.

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Linda Hall: We're going to put up a gate, and we did this when my friend brings her dog, that blocks the upstairs, except it's open like this much.

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Linda Hall: So, you know, the cats can get through it.

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Linda Hall: That way the cats could go upstairs and have a place to decompress and a food station and what have you that doesn't involve the dog.

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Linda Hall: We got that far.

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Rita Reimers: Great idea.

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Rita Reimers: That's a great idea.

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Rita Reimers: And we're back with 19 Cats and Counting, my BFF, Linda Hall, who's about to change her whole household situation.

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Rita Reimers: And of course, our friend and pet expert, Arden Moore, who's helping guide Linda how to choose the right dog, set yourself up for success.

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Linda Hall: Yes.

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Linda Hall: And Casey, you forgot Casey.

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Linda Hall: Pet safety cat Casey.

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Arden Moore: He's turned into the mic.

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Rita Reimers: Safety cat Casey and dog Pona are both there.

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Linda Hall: Mic check.

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Rita Reimers: We need to talk a little bit about your safety class too.

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Rita Reimers: We took the cat behavior one, right?

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Rita Reimers: Well, it, or not behavior, the cat safety course, but Linda, now you need the dog safety.

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Linda Hall: I was thinking that last night cause we just said we need to re-out research for the cat one, so we need to add the dogs too now.

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Linda Hall: And I'll tell you, I'm one of those people, I've taken, I don't know how many human CPR courses over the years and I have never needed it.

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Linda Hall: And I always think I will never need it.

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Linda Hall: And we took this class because we wanted this certification and the knowledge.

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Linda Hall: And there was a lot of really good, like what you should be doing for monthly upkeep and stuff.

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Linda Hall: But I swear to you, I would have put money against the fact that I was never gonna do CPR or Heimlich maneuver or whatever.

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Linda Hall: And then I was getting ready to go into a session, which I ended up five minutes late for, and I looked over and I thought, oh, he's hocking up a fur ball and his stomach's lurching, but I didn't hear any noise.

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Linda Hall: And some cats sound different.

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Linda Hall: I can tell you from a room away who's hocking up a fur ball sometimes.

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Linda Hall: And so I didn't hear anything.

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Linda Hall: And I went over and I got close and I put my hand, and as he's lurching, no air is coming out of his nostrils or his mouth.

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Linda Hall: I Heimliched him and with a bunch of gunk, there was a piece of like Saran wrap that somebody must have dropped off something that must have been just covering his windpipe.

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Rita Reimers: It's a good thing you found it because it's also see-through, so you couldn't really see it.

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Linda Hall: Yeah.

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Arden Moore: But you did the right thing and I'm really proud of you.

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Arden Moore: I'm sure that Goway is very happy because you saved his life and you did the right thing.

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Arden Moore: And like we say in our classes, you get permission to freak out later.

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Linda Hall: I freaked out.

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Linda Hall: Yeah, exactly.

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Arden Moore: So we'll talk about how we, we'll get you back in.

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Arden Moore: Don't worry, we'll figure it out.

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Arden Moore: We'll get it.

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Rita Reimers: She got into the session.

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Rita Reimers: We're about to start.

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Rita Reimers: She's like, oh my God.

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Rita Reimers: Oh my God.

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Rita Reimers: I'm like, what?

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Linda Hall: Yes, I was, and I had to jump into that pre-con and I'm like, sorry, had a little emergency.

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Linda Hall: We're fine.

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Arden Moore: Well, we actually showed that clip on my Pet First Aid for You, my most recent class.

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Arden Moore: I taught a bunch of professional pet sitters in staff training.

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Arden Moore: And we played your clip at the beginning when I said, why should we learn first aid?

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Arden Moore: Well, let's hear from our friend Linda.

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Arden Moore: So it's the thing I'm the most passionate about is keeping pets safe.

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Arden Moore: And I do teach a cat only class.

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Arden Moore: I teach a dog and cat class.

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Arden Moore: I also teach a two day class for people to become instructors.

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Arden Moore: And I just want a little shout out.

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Arden Moore: I just got back from a sponsored trip where I taught people in England and Greece.

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Arden Moore: I taught about 300 people Pet First Aid, and I ended up having to help a cat scalded with hot water who had third degree burns.

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Rita Reimers: Oh my God.

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Arden Moore: And of course the cat's name is Earl Grey.

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Arden Moore: So I don't think they were stinking in the paws.

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Linda Hall: That's terrible.

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Arden Moore: Oh, wow.

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Rita Reimers: Is the cat okay?

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Arden Moore: Yeah, he spent a few days in the ER and he's okay now, but I did the right thing.

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Arden Moore: You don't want to put any ice on a hot burn because you will cause shock.

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Arden Moore: And I had a cool wet towel.

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Arden Moore: He was in the carrier.

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Arden Moore: I was monitoring his vitals as they drove to the ER vet in Athens, Greece.

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Arden Moore: And it was hilarious because the driver, the gal, Nikki said, Oh, Earl Grey must be okay because he's not talking.

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Arden Moore: And I didn't want to say anything at the time because she's driving.

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Rita Reimers: Sure.

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Arden Moore: I want to get there.

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Arden Moore: Sure.

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Arden Moore: If your pet is in so much burn that they're not showing any animation, that's third degree, not second.

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Arden Moore: And that means that pet is getting very close to passing out.

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Rita Reimers: I would not have known that, holy cow.

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Arden Moore: It's a false sense of good or it is actually danger, danger.

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Arden Moore: So we did the right thing.

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Arden Moore: We didn't worsen the issue.

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Arden Moore: And I'm happy to say Earl Grey is now back at the sanctuary and amending.

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Arden Moore: But I had never seen such bright red nose and paws.

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Rita Reimers: Oh, oh, oh well.

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Arden Moore: Were you there?

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Rita Reimers: Were you visiting Be Smart?

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Rita Reimers: Is that where you were?

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Arden Moore: Yes, I was with Let's Be Smart, Julie Kelly.

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Arden Moore: I was there for two weeks for both England and Greece.

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Arden Moore: And they sponsored my time.

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Arden Moore: I even got to go to a kid refugee camp and talked to them about cat and dog behavior.

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Arden Moore: And I had interpreters that spoke Farsi and Arabic.

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Linda Hall: Oh, how amazing.

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Arden Moore: So we got all the kids to try to purr like a cat, which no human can, because they purr inhaling and exhaling, but the kids had a blast.

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Arden Moore: They were trying to purr like a cat and the interpreters are going to me, what?

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Linda Hall: What's happening here?

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Linda Hall: What's wrong with these kids?

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Rita Reimers: She got to make it fun for kids to learn, and that's what I love about her books.

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Linda Hall: I have cats right here.

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Arden Moore: Oh, thank you.

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Arden Moore: Yeah, the kid's guide to cats and a kid's guide to dogs.

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Arden Moore: I have to say, those are the two favorite books I've ever written.

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Arden Moore: They're in five languages, five reprints.

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Rita Reimers: I enjoyed reading them, even though they're kids.

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Arden Moore: Well, you gotta never lose the kid in you, Rita.

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Arden Moore: Right.

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Linda Hall: Exactly.

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Linda Hall: We were gonna do a giveaway, speaking of Arden's books.

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Linda Hall: Oh, true.

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Rita Reimers: Which one did you wanna give away?

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Linda Hall: What are we giving away, Arden?

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Arden Moore: Maybe you can give the kid's guide and maybe the cat behavior answer book.

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Arden Moore: There's a section in there about how to bring in a dog.

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Rita Reimers: I have that book.

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Rita Reimers: That's a great book.

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Linda Hall: Yes, me too.

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Arden Moore: Okay, we'll do it.

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Arden Moore: You guys figure it out and send me the winner and the address and I'll, KC and I will sign it.

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Rita Reimers: We will do that.

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Rita Reimers: So it's like the first person to email us at support at catbehaviorreliance.com, whatever you want to do.

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Linda Hall: Email us at support and tell us why you need the book and we will have an independent judge choose.

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Linda Hall: That way it's not like first come first serve.

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Rita Reimers: Right.

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Linda Hall: We'll give it a couple weeks.

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Arden Moore: So there'll be one winner for the Kids Guide the Cats and one winner for the Cat Behavior Answer Book.

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Arden Moore: How's that?

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Arden Moore: Two.

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Rita Reimers: Make sure you tell us which one you want when you email in.

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Linda Hall: Exactly.

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Rita Reimers: We'll announce the winner on the next show.

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Linda Hall: On the next show, on the next show, yes.

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Rita Reimers: So back to the cats and dogs living together in peace and harmony.

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Rita Reimers: Linda, tell Arden how Sadie, your late dog, decided which cats were okay to interact with.

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Linda Hall: She walked up to one cat and said, will you play with me?

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Linda Hall: And the cat said smack upside the head.

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Linda Hall: And she said, okay, thanks for your time.

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Linda Hall: And she found one out of 11, and it's Galway over there, that would play with her.

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Linda Hall: And they would growl at her.

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Linda Hall: Exactly.

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Linda Hall: And she would growl like she was this fear.

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Linda Hall: And I'd be like, oh honey, that cat can wipe you out, but it's okay, you have fun.

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Linda Hall: So yes, only one.

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Linda Hall: But yes, she went one by one and said, will you play with me?

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Linda Hall: No, okay, next.

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Rita Reimers: Look at you.

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Arden Moore: Who stopped you?

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Arden Moore: Let me tell you that your dog and this dog right here, Emma, must have been born from the same mama.

00:23:05.071 --> 00:23:06.931
Arden Moore: This dog is only eight pounds.

00:23:06.951 --> 00:23:08.031
Arden Moore: This is Emma, my Gemma.

00:23:08.231 --> 00:23:10.591
Arden Moore: We found her during COVID full of heartworms.

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Rita Reimers: Oh yeah, I remember you finding her, yeah.

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Arden Moore: She thinks cats are gods.

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Arden Moore: She tries to play with Casey and Casey goes, no, but he's not mean.

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Arden Moore: He just walks away or jumps up on a tree.

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Arden Moore: Oh, our other orange tabby, Rusty the performer.

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Arden Moore: These two are the same age.

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Arden Moore: They are best friends.

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Arden Moore: And I have videos on my TikTok where she's going, woo, like your dog did.

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Arden Moore: And Rusty just goes, and sits, and then they go under the covers, come back up.

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Arden Moore: And I just shut up and let them play.

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Arden Moore: And that's what we need to do.

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Arden Moore: Sometimes we just need to let them play, you know, but always keep the cats safe.

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Arden Moore: But you also might need to keep the dogs safe because some cats can be bully cats.

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Rita Reimers: We have one, when my parents bought our house in Tonawanda where I grew up, the people that lived there before left a cat.

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Rita Reimers: And we wanted a dog, so we went out and got a lab puppy.

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Rita Reimers: And that cat would just pretend she was gonna be friends with the puppy and she'd let Blazer get close and then Samantha would go with her claws.

00:24:17.851 --> 00:24:19.251
Rita Reimers: Just so mean.

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Arden Moore: Dogs don't always, especially puppies, don't always read the warning signs that cats give.

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Linda Hall: Right.

00:24:26.651 --> 00:24:30.451
Arden Moore: Because cats don't bark, cats don't wag tails.

00:24:30.931 --> 00:24:36.991
Arden Moore: And so a dog is learning how to read another animal based on dog talk.

00:24:37.231 --> 00:24:41.911
Arden Moore: But if they see the cat's tail going side to side, they think it's a wag.

00:24:42.351 --> 00:24:44.931
Arden Moore: But no, you all know this, this is a lash.

00:24:46.691 --> 00:24:48.651
Arden Moore: And the dog's like, okay, y'all wanna read it.

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Rita Reimers: Donny Potter, I guess.

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Arden Moore: And so you've gotta realize it's the catitude that matters, not the cat, not the size of the cat.

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Arden Moore: But when a pet, any pet in a household, has got plenty of resources, food, love, intention, enrichment, they're less likely to be a bully cat or a bully dog.

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Arden Moore: So the homework for you and Brian, and for others thinking about getting a dog in a cat-only household, is you better make sure you've set up so that there are enough play times, safe places to hang out, take a nap.

00:25:22.751 --> 00:25:25.271
Arden Moore: Mealtime cannot be mealtime mayhem.

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Arden Moore: You really gotta feed cats first.

00:25:27.391 --> 00:25:31.411
Arden Moore: The doggy might be in a carrier or crate or in another room.

00:25:31.731 --> 00:25:38.231
Arden Moore: All the food is done, pick up those bowls, clean them, get them out of the way, because an empty bowl can signal a food fight.

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Arden Moore: So there's things that you can do.

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Arden Moore: And when the cat is tired, or that you just took the dog for a walk, and they're a little tired, that's a good time to have a little supervised play session.

00:25:52.391 --> 00:25:57.071
Arden Moore: The one thing I would tell you, I've had, I've written what, 27 pet books.

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Arden Moore: Every single dog I've ever adopted, I always go through all the doggy manners and basic classes.

00:26:05.411 --> 00:26:06.651
Arden Moore: I don't care who you are.

00:26:07.271 --> 00:26:08.731
Arden Moore: It is a bonding time.

00:26:08.771 --> 00:26:12.091
Arden Moore: It is them getting socialized, experiencing different things.

00:26:12.531 --> 00:26:19.371
Arden Moore: So you and Brian need to make sure that you have that once a week date day with your new dog.

00:26:19.831 --> 00:26:21.011
Arden Moore: And we did that with Emma.

00:26:21.271 --> 00:26:27.151
Arden Moore: And Emma, the first day she went into what a great dog, she was like, oh, and wouldn't go in.

00:26:27.151 --> 00:26:29.291
Arden Moore: By the third time, she was like, I like this place.

00:26:29.311 --> 00:26:30.391
Arden Moore: This place is good.

00:26:30.871 --> 00:26:33.791
Arden Moore: And she teamed up with a Great Dane as her buddy.

00:26:33.811 --> 00:26:38.611
Arden Moore: And we found out that the Great Dane's pet parents have a little dog at home.

00:26:39.011 --> 00:26:42.091
Arden Moore: And we at the time had Boucho, our big dog.

00:26:42.391 --> 00:26:51.211
Arden Moore: So Emma gravitated to the big Great Dane, and they got to do the training exercises when you needed to partner up together.

00:26:51.231 --> 00:26:52.091
Arden Moore: It was Mutt and Jeff.

00:26:52.111 --> 00:26:52.771
Arden Moore: It was hilarious.

00:26:53.651 --> 00:27:07.771
Arden Moore: But I'm saying for you, for Brian and this new lucky dog, you really do need to go to a class that teaches positive training and make it fun because you were bonding with that pet.

00:27:08.071 --> 00:27:11.271
Arden Moore: Then they know the sit, the stay and the leave it.

00:27:12.011 --> 00:27:17.451
Arden Moore: Three cardinal cues any dog needs to learn in a cat household.

00:27:18.311 --> 00:27:21.491
Arden Moore: You are not gonna get your cat to sit, stay and leave it.

00:27:22.031 --> 00:27:23.451
Arden Moore: I can get Casey to sit.

00:27:24.071 --> 00:27:27.031
Arden Moore: I can get Casey to stay on his own duration.

00:27:27.031 --> 00:27:30.371
Rita Reimers: I can get my cats to lay down when it's sleepy time.

00:27:30.391 --> 00:27:32.311
Arden Moore: You're not gonna get a cat to leave it.

00:27:32.391 --> 00:27:32.991
Rita Reimers: No.

00:27:33.191 --> 00:27:33.711
Linda Hall: For sure.

00:27:33.891 --> 00:27:34.571
Linda Hall: Absolutely true.

00:27:34.591 --> 00:27:36.051
Arden Moore: The dog needs those cues.

00:27:36.071 --> 00:27:39.851
Arden Moore: So that's why taking a class, sit, stay, leave it.

00:27:40.231 --> 00:27:42.031
Arden Moore: Those are really good cues.

00:27:42.511 --> 00:27:45.871
Arden Moore: Rewarding, always give the cat the treat first, then the dog.

00:27:46.051 --> 00:27:46.831
Rita Reimers: That makes sense.

00:27:46.851 --> 00:27:47.491
Linda Hall: I love it.

00:27:47.591 --> 00:27:48.011
Linda Hall: Yes.

00:27:48.371 --> 00:27:51.351
Rita Reimers: I think Petco, PetSmart has a dog training.

00:27:52.891 --> 00:27:57.011
Rita Reimers: Would you recommend an older dog versus a puppy for most people?

00:27:58.531 --> 00:28:06.771
Arden Moore: With 11 cats, I would like to have a dog, could be two years old, three years old or older, that you already know their personality.

00:28:07.151 --> 00:28:09.851
Arden Moore: And you were talking about not wanting to give the dog back.

00:28:10.331 --> 00:28:27.531
Arden Moore: Well, by that time, you know, if they're a grumpy or happy or whatever, but the two, the little puppies, they're adorable, but you are up every whatever going out for potty breaks and their brain is forming and they go through two different fear periods.

00:28:27.871 --> 00:28:37.371
Arden Moore: It's a lot of work, they're cute as a button, but there's a lot of adult and senior dogs out there that are just pining for a home.

00:28:37.391 --> 00:28:43.091
Arden Moore: One of my friends had a cat and she got a dog, Benny, and Benny is a pug beagle.

00:28:43.951 --> 00:28:44.571
Arden Moore: So he snorts.

00:28:44.591 --> 00:28:45.471
Rita Reimers: That's an unusual combo.

00:28:45.491 --> 00:28:46.151
Arden Moore: They snort.

00:28:46.171 --> 00:28:46.431
Arden Moore: Yeah.

00:28:47.611 --> 00:28:55.731
Arden Moore: Anyway, he's a pretty cool guy and he was probably about seven and she brought him in to Miha, who was a senior cat.

00:28:56.331 --> 00:29:01.911
Arden Moore: And there was separate areas for Miha to eat and pee and poop that were off limits to Benny.

00:29:02.371 --> 00:29:04.191
Arden Moore: And they ended up being really good friends.

00:29:04.231 --> 00:29:06.511
Arden Moore: And she knew Benny's personality.

00:29:06.931 --> 00:29:12.751
Arden Moore: So maybe for your first dog out of 11 cats, you need to pick an adult dog.

00:29:13.171 --> 00:29:13.731
Arden Moore: I don't know.

00:29:13.751 --> 00:29:14.411
Arden Moore: It's up to you.

00:29:14.431 --> 00:29:17.511
Arden Moore: There's always exceptions, but then you know what you're getting.

00:29:18.791 --> 00:29:22.491
Rita Reimers: So we also have to make sure she doesn't get a dog that's gonna knock her over.

00:29:22.691 --> 00:29:24.011
Linda Hall: Yes, exactly.

00:29:24.231 --> 00:29:28.351
Linda Hall: Not gonna knock me over, jump on me, you know, that kind of thing.

00:29:28.371 --> 00:29:30.851
Linda Hall: With her MS My balance ain't so hot.

00:29:30.851 --> 00:29:37.251
Linda Hall: But yeah, we many, many years ago, got this adorable Lab German Shepherd mixed puppy.

00:29:37.271 --> 00:29:38.531
Linda Hall: And I loved her.

00:29:38.551 --> 00:29:39.851
Linda Hall: Zippy was an amazing dog.

00:29:39.871 --> 00:29:41.331
Linda Hall: We had her through old age.

00:29:41.731 --> 00:29:44.571
Linda Hall: But her puppy years, girlfriend, she ate up.

00:29:44.591 --> 00:29:46.771
Linda Hall: We started having to put her on the back porch at night.

00:29:46.791 --> 00:29:49.651
Linda Hall: She ate up the linoleum tiles when she was teething.

00:29:49.891 --> 00:29:52.611
Linda Hall: I am not doing that again.

00:29:52.631 --> 00:29:54.311
Arden Moore: Then say that, write it down.

00:29:54.631 --> 00:29:56.031
Arden Moore: You and Brian need to do that.

00:29:56.251 --> 00:29:58.751
Arden Moore: I'm telling you, dogs and cats get along.

00:29:58.771 --> 00:29:59.691
Arden Moore: I'm living proof.

00:30:00.011 --> 00:30:06.491
Arden Moore: My sister can, let me, has her three dogs in my backyard office, 200 square feet on occasion.

00:30:07.331 --> 00:30:11.411
Arden Moore: With Kona and Emma and Casey and sometimes old man, Mikey the cat.

00:30:11.691 --> 00:30:16.491
Arden Moore: And I can do a show with seven four-leggers and have silence.

00:30:17.171 --> 00:30:18.391
Rita Reimers: That's amazing.

00:30:18.591 --> 00:30:18.991
Linda Hall: Yeah.

00:30:19.011 --> 00:30:19.771
Arden Moore: It can happen.

00:30:19.791 --> 00:30:20.611
Rita Reimers: It really is.

00:30:20.951 --> 00:30:24.171
Linda Hall: Well, Linda, I hope you got some good tips, did you?

00:30:24.191 --> 00:30:26.091
Arden Moore: You got to tell us when you get the right one.

00:30:26.511 --> 00:30:27.851
Linda Hall: I'll believe me, I will.

00:30:27.871 --> 00:30:29.651
Linda Hall: But yeah, I've been taking notes, honey.

00:30:29.671 --> 00:30:33.531
Linda Hall: I got my notes ready and you've given me hope because I really was scared.

00:30:33.551 --> 00:30:39.071
Linda Hall: When Brian first said that, I was like, but I could see on his face that this wasn't something that was really negotiable.

00:30:39.091 --> 00:30:39.671
Rita Reimers: Non-negotiable.

00:30:40.511 --> 00:30:41.451
Rita Reimers: Let's have dog.

00:30:41.471 --> 00:30:42.491
Arden Moore: Nick with a purpose.

00:30:42.611 --> 00:30:44.171
Arden Moore: Nick with a purpose.

00:30:44.191 --> 00:30:45.151
Linda Hall: Yes, exactly.

00:30:45.171 --> 00:30:54.211
Rita Reimers: Well, I think it'll help us too because we're getting more and more clients that have dog and cat households or want to add a dog with their cats and they ask us for advice and I'm like, um.

00:30:54.571 --> 00:31:01.211
Arden Moore: Well, that's why I kind of like being a hybrid because I know there's a lot of great dog trainers out there and cat experts.

00:31:03.251 --> 00:31:06.571
Arden Moore: I've always liked both cats and dogs since I was a child.

00:31:06.831 --> 00:31:08.151
Arden Moore: I cannot pick which one.

00:31:08.191 --> 00:31:12.851
Arden Moore: I will always have at least one cat, one dog in my life and as long as I can.

00:31:13.331 --> 00:31:16.471
Arden Moore: And they bring so much to make me a better human.

00:31:16.851 --> 00:31:20.251
Arden Moore: So I just felt honored that you asked me to be on your show.

00:31:22.131 --> 00:31:23.411
Linda Hall: Who else was there?

00:31:23.431 --> 00:31:28.851
Rita Reimers: And you have advice that is spot on every time.

00:31:29.171 --> 00:31:30.031
Linda Hall: Yes, yes, yes.

00:31:30.051 --> 00:31:31.771
Rita Reimers: So thank you so much a lot.

00:31:32.091 --> 00:31:33.571
Rita Reimers: And I hope you'll come back again.

00:31:34.731 --> 00:31:36.991
Rita Reimers: We'll let you know who wins the contest.

00:31:37.091 --> 00:31:38.111
Linda Hall: Yes, yes, yes.

00:31:38.111 --> 00:31:40.131
Arden Moore: It's a book, everybody, not a free car.

00:31:40.251 --> 00:31:41.431
Arden Moore: I'm poor and famous.

00:31:42.411 --> 00:31:44.511
Linda Hall: You get a car, you know it doesn't happen.

00:31:44.531 --> 00:31:45.711
Linda Hall: Yeah, we know that.

00:31:45.731 --> 00:31:47.991
Rita Reimers: Well, someday I'd love to be like that, but no.

00:31:48.131 --> 00:31:49.071
Linda Hall: I know, right?

00:31:49.891 --> 00:31:51.991
Rita Reimers: Anyway, thank you so much for being here.

00:31:52.371 --> 00:31:57.711
Rita Reimers: And of course, Linda, my writer guy, thank you for being my co-hostess with the mostest.

00:31:59.051 --> 00:32:07.171
Rita Reimers: And of course, I must thank Mark Winter for giving us this spot on Pet Life Radio and making us sound so good with his awesome editing.

00:32:07.231 --> 00:32:08.231
Rita Reimers: Thank you so much.

00:32:08.691 --> 00:32:11.451
Rita Reimers: And just remember, I guess I should change this today.

00:32:11.871 --> 00:32:14.011
Rita Reimers: Every day is cat and dog day.

00:32:14.431 --> 00:32:15.151
Linda Hall: Her day, yes.

00:32:15.171 --> 00:32:16.691
Rita Reimers: I'll see you next time.

00:32:17.451 --> 00:32:23.451
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